Yup. Did send in the scout variant, too, but it wasn't printed. Could be no room, or just that it wasn't needed.

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 01:14 pm: Edit

Mike I'm curious about when did you send it in. I sent in a DDF as well. About March I'd say.

By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 01:48 pm: Edit

Considering that warp engines are somewhat standardized, I always thought you could get a 22-warp lollipop DD with a 20-box CA engine and the 2-point saucer engine that CXs had.

No SSD. I'm lazy.

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 01:50 pm: Edit

There may have been others too. That might explain why specific credit wasn't given. Mikes DDF was created at least more than a year ago but he reposted it for me one day. A bit of posting later SVC said a good time to send it in would be when he is needing good designs for a Captain Log... "like now."

By Joseph R Carlson (Jrc) on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 02:02 pm: Edit

Mike,

Could your design be modified like John suggested for a X-ship? Also one more photon and a GX rack.

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 04:20 pm: Edit

Loren, Like I said in my email to SVC.

"It's a pretty obvious design."

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 04:50 pm: Edit

Ya, I guess. I had been suggesting one and that's when Mike post his in response to my asking. It may be obvious but sorely needed. It's just too bad that the historical vessel was destroyed so early. I would have like to write a bit about that ship in some fiction. I also would have really liked to have seen it converted to a scout and survive the war. A "One Off" design with a distinguished history. I believe the SFU needs a few of those.

I can imagine some vessels might seem highly practical on the surface but for one reason or another not more were built even though they should have. Perhaps the one design had flaws the a certain skilled Engineer was able to over come. The series wasn't continued but the one vessel served with distinction. The CS is a cool one. I think the DDF was prime for such a history.

By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 05:54 pm: Edit

Ken,

Like Loren said, it was over a year ago that I first sent it in. Then, recently some talk came up about them and I reposted them. Steve said he'd put it in Cap Log becuase he needed something to fill in. Near as I can tell, they didn't make any changes or anything; even the outline and the BPV I guessed at were used, which is pretty rare (at least for me). Funny; my "serious" submissions never make it, but the ones I post on a whim or for fun seem to.

By John Pepper (Akula) on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 05:57 pm: Edit

Well of course theres that conjectural NDD design floating around too that the DDX was based off of. Onced/If thats ever published it should show how we went from a DD to a DDX.

By michael john campbell (Michaelcampbell) on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 12:46 am: Edit

I too did a Paddle-pop DDF and scout varriant.
I did them as part of a squadron (so there was a CHF (CCH-F) as well) and it was designs developed as part of a disinformation plan that never saw actual production.

My design was probably a bad design because the things the saucer section were missing were added into a "deckhouse" that connected the engine strut to the main hull, and throwing in two FX Ph-1s (because the design was short on Phaser protection) made it way too powerful for a Destroyer, four Photons, two G-racks and six Ph-1s and two (360°) Ph-3s is a lot to centerline anyone with for a destroyer.

I liked the CF saucer as it gave the DD frame something in never had under the regular lollypop DD design; drone racks!

By R. Brodie Nyboer (Radiocyborg) on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 01:58 am: Edit

Hmmm, anyone done a CFX? (looking at Mike R. expectantly)

Let's see, it already has X-engines so 18pt'ers aren't necessary. The manuever benefit may not necessarily be simply "faster" but I may benefit from a better turn mode. The extra power may allow it an extra heavy weapon . . . dunno.

By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 08:52 am: Edit

Well, sort of. I did a WYN CFXP; the CF with an XP refit. You could easily do the same for any CF, and get quite a nice ship out of it. The Fed would be no exception.

For those that want it, this is a link to the fast scout I had made to accompany the Fast DD. Have fun with it.

Federation Fast Scout

By John Pepper (Akula) on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 12:45 pm: Edit

I would speculate the reason why the fast scout wasn't published is that the CFS was published which kinda fills that role.

By R. Brodie Nyboer (Radiocyborg) on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 07:03 pm: Edit

Mike, I noticed you labeled it "version 2" or did I midread that? Do you still have v.1?

By Joseph R Carlson (Jrc) on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 07:47 pm: Edit

John,

In the write-up for the DDF it indicates plans to build more were cancelled due to engine supply problems. The description for the CVF (R2.96) leaves me with the impression that only 4 sets of special warp engines for the CF class were constructed. maybe SVC will find in the history somewhere that more of these special engines were built.

I wonder what monster destroyed the ship?

By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 07:52 pm: Edit

Brodie,

The first had 4 special sensors up front, for a total of six. Too many, given a "fast hull".

By R. Brodie Nyboer (Radiocyborg) on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 08:24 pm: Edit

Oh, well that makes sense.

By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 08:40 pm: Edit

Okay, for Brodie. Sick, but kinda fun.

Federation Advanced Fast Cruiser

Power to spare, for certain.

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 10:11 pm: Edit

JRC, the DDF used the original prototype engine and was the original unit to show the technology. It was later to be given back to Starfleet as a DD but the Admirals said "No, no. Leave the engine on. We'll take it as is!"

I just made that up but it sounds good to me. How about you SVC?

By Joseph R Carlson (Jrc) on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 10:21 pm: Edit

Loren,

I like the idea. Now maybe there was another prototype.

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 10:45 pm: Edit

Well, I proposed a second incompleted prototype for the CS so I'm up for that!

By R. Brodie Nyboer (Radiocyborg) on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 12:04 am: Edit

Yikes! 12pt fast overloads and speed 31 all day! Power to spare indeed! This could be a true battlecruiser. I was going to suggest dumping a battery (and maybe the flag bridge) and adding a photon, but on reflection that may not be necessary.

Unload four 12pt photons every two turns (assuming you want to get in that close), add the double phaser capacitors, throw in the two drone racks, then peel off for a turn to reload capacitors. What a monster!

Thanks for posting it, Mike!

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 12:52 am: Edit

Mike one little thing. X Ships require 2x the normal minimum crew.

By Daniel Knudtson Thompson (Brezgonne) on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 12:30 am: Edit

Anyone suggested a X Tholian Fast Cruiser?

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 10:54 am: Edit

Yup.