MJC,

A reaonable answer is "yes" Refits are going to come based on the expeiences of the Trade Wars.

And yes, refits are going to come based on the Xorks.

There is no way or point to anticipating how the Xorks will interactwith X2.

Loren,

Remember that a P-M is simulator tech and GW tech at that. You would need a whole set f rules to make it X2-compatible.

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 05:24 pm: Edit

I was using the Ph-M as an example of the type of weapon. In the rules for the Ph-M I recall that most races experimented with them but found them too difficult to implement. Perhaps, in X2 they solved those problems enough to build small specialized ships (where, like a mauler, it is the primary weapon if not the only offensive weapon.)

So, you wouldn't be able to have a cruiser with them but a XDM (a destroyer hull with 2 Ph-M and four Ph-6 and two G racks) or two in your fleet/squadron. Perhaps a XDD squadron might have a XDD + XDV + XDM.

Their achilies heal would be that they have very few weapons and could loose them quickly. Alternatively, they could repair them several times.

Just a thought to mix things up.

Another possability would be to have DD sized maulers. THe power balance ratio wouldn't be so off as with the XDM above (and would still be called the XDM...M for mauler instead of Megaphaser.)

By R. Brodie Nyboer (Radiocyborg) on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 07:15 pm: Edit

Has anyone playtested any ideas lately?

By Jeff Tonglet (Blackbeard) on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 01:34 am: Edit

Guess not.

By Carl-Magnus Carlsson (Thereplicant) on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 08:28 am: Edit

I have been considering a PBEM playtest. But I would need someone to moderate and an willing opponent.

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 09:28 am: Edit

What do people thing should be playtested? Getting the scenario right will be important for providing meaningful results. I could be talked into being a PBEM opponent provided I could first be sold on the scenario and objective.

By Jeff Tonglet (Blackbeard) on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 10:36 am: Edit

For a first playtest, one side picks an X2 ship proposal, the other side picks 1-3 late-year non-X ships, and they fight a duel.

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 10:46 am: Edit

Good start. Which X2 ship? Can we start with a small one?

By Carl-Magnus Carlsson (Thereplicant) on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 10:53 am: Edit

I would like to pit my Klingon vs my Kzin.
The Klink has four racks, which I know consider cutting to three. Otherwise it might totaly negate the Kzintis drones.

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 11:29 am: Edit

A playtest of two X2 ships isn't helpful. Particularly when both ships have the same weapons, just in different counts.

The first objective should be to make sure X2 plays nice with X0.

What X2 ships do we have in the price range of a CB?

By Jeff Tonglet (Blackbeard) on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 11:47 am: Edit

What about one of the XCAs vs. two X0 cruisers?

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 01:45 pm: Edit

Possible, but then you get into squadron dynamics which can make the BPV harder to balance. We need to do what you suggest, but I'm not sure we want that as our first test.

Can we assume a single fixed map?

By Carl-Magnus Carlsson (Thereplicant) on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 01:48 pm: Edit

I guess a Rom CAX2 vs the ISC DN, would be fairly even... At least if we are talking about single ship duels.

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 02:03 pm: Edit

The ISC DN isn't a good opponent. If a DN were to be found alone, which it wouldn't, the PPD myopic zone would get it killed.

Think smaller. We want a relatively common ship that could be reasonably found alone according to S8 rules.

By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 02:08 pm: Edit

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Possible, but then you get into squadron dynamics which can make the BPV harder to balance. We need to do what you suggest, but I'm not sure we want that as our first test.

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By Carl-Magnus Carlsson (Thereplicant) on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 02:19 pm: Edit

Well, you can't find anything smaller that is a match for a CA X2. And that kind of ship needs to be playtested.

By R. Brodie Nyboer (Radiocyborg) on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 02:24 pm: Edit

Try an XDD (or equivalent) vs. a CA (or equivalent).

By Carl-Magnus Carlsson (Thereplicant) on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 02:27 pm: Edit

Perhaps a fed DNG is a good general oppnent OR we could perhaos CONSTRUCT one using the Barbarian simulator race!!

By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 02:28 pm: Edit

Brodie,

I agree that works for the XDD. But the XCA's are a bit more of a problem. As Carl said, there aren't any ships of the same size with similar BPV's in most cases...not GW stuff, anyway.

Later, I'm going to post a couple of things for comparison.

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 02:38 pm: Edit

If we can nail down the BPV of an XDD it will be much easier to calculate an XCL. Once we know the XCL we can calculate an XCA.

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 02:44 pm: Edit

I've got designs at the following price points:
XFF: 130
XDD: 155
XCL: 190
XCM: 225
XCC: 265

These we can find opponents for with the XCC being the only ship that needs to face a DNH. What X2 ships are you thinking of that cost so much that there isn't a reasonable opponent?

By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 02:50 pm: Edit

Other submissions. There are those who have ships in the 300+ price range. Some - including yours and mine - are low enough to get away with testing against larger GW stuff.

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 02:56 pm: Edit

As a point of order, do we want to create ships that can't reasonably particiapte in a duel?

Its possible the XCC outclasses anything around it, but an XCA should not exceed the cost of a DNH.

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 02:59 pm: Edit

Edit: I missed the XCM in the first pass. Added to list of SSDs in the above post.

By Jeff Tonglet (Blackbeard) on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 03:26 pm: Edit

I'm redoing some of my SSDs right now, after changing my mind about 48 boxes of warp. I think 42 is the answer.

I don't have a web page. Can I email my Fed XCA and XDD designs to someone and they can post. Thanks in advance.