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Lyran pre-trimaran designs

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By James B. Pennington (Cutlass401) on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 03:24 pm: Edit

In late Y160 the Lyrans received word from the Klingons about the Federation Deckhouse Destroyer concept. While the study did not overly concern the Klingons, the Lyrans were worried that the Federation would urge the Kzinti and/or the Hydrans to also use the concept. So they decided to design ships as a responce.

The general design was to build a structure over the two hulls of their ships above the existing center sections. Designs were drawn up to convert all combat hulls. All had a third warp engine slung under the center section.

1. Heavy Corvette: Converted from: POL Deckhouse adds: 1-FA disruptor, 2 C Hull, 1 Ph-3 LS/RS, 2 Shuttle, 1 APR, 1 BTTY. Third engine is a standard corvette engine.

2. Heavy Frigate: Converted from: FF Deckhouse adds: 1-FA Disrupter, 2 C Hull, 2 Ph-3 LS/RS, 2 Shuttle, 1 APR, 1 BTTY. Third engine is a standard corvette engine.

3. Heavy Destroyer: Converted From: DD Deckhouse adds: 1 FA disruptor 3 C hull, 1 Ph-2 LS/RS, 1 Ph-3 LS/RS, 2 Shuttle, 2 APR, 2 Btty. Third Engine is a standard frigate engine.

4. Medium Cruiser: converted from: CL Deckhouse adds: 2 FA disruptors, 4 C Hull, 1 P-1 LS/RS, 1 P-3 LS/RS, 2 Shuttles, 3 APR, 3 Btty. Third engine is a standard Destroyer engine.

5. Battlecruiser: Converted from: CA Deckhouse adds: 2 FA disruptors, 4 C Hull, 2 P-1 LS/RS, 1 Ph-3 LS/RS, 2 Shuttles, 4 APR, 4 Btty. Third engine is a standard light cruiser engine.
Note: Phaser-LS/RS is one on each side.

Only one DD and one FF were converted, the Lyrans found the design unsatisfactory (much like the Federation found the DHD.) Work on converting a CL was stopped before any major work was done.

Comments?

JBP

By michael john campbell (Michaelcampbell) on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 09:17 pm: Edit

I'm not up to speed on the deckhouse DD.
Does the third (??) engine come with an increase in MC?
Would the Lyrans build on top of the existing Catamaran "span" or would that build a "longer" (longitudninally) "span" instead (assumming these are cats, I haven't checked)?

By James B. Pennington (Cutlass401) on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 10:52 pm: Edit

MJC:

The Fed DHD had an increased MC so the Lyran designs would also(didn't get a chance to put it in the earlier post, had a cat laying on my keyboard--not easy to type).

MC for the Heavy Corvette and Heavy Frigate .5
MC for the Heavy Destoyer .67
MC for the Medium Cruiser .75
MC for the Battlecruiser 1.25

The deckhouse would go from the left side hull over the existing span to the right side rull.
I don't know exactly how it would look (I don't have any of the minis), only the drawings in the various modules.

JBP

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 10:58 pm: Edit

MJC:

Deckhouse Destroyers (DHD) were published in Captains Log#33 June 6, 2006. Page#105. The Move Cost was 0.67 with 2 engines, the original 15 warp box on the "Vanilla" DD and a second Frigate Engine (with 6 warp boxes). It has Turn mode of 'C' and a break down rating of 2-6.

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 11:05 pm: Edit

PS-MJC:

The SSD and design were discussed on these boards last February(Federation Heavy Destroyer Thread). The SSD is posted there also.

I know you saw it, you posted comments to the thread.

By Chris Proper (Duke) on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 03:09 am: Edit

These designs add guns and power but not shields, making them higher priority targets than their predecessors.
At least they don't exacerbate the problem of ESG interaction in fleet actions.

By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 08:22 am: Edit

Quote:
The general design was to build a structure over the two hulls of their ships above the existing center sections. Designs were drawn up to convert all combat hulls. All had a third warp engine slung under the center section.

I agree with the concept of adding space to existing hulls, but not over them. Look to existing designs; the early dreadnought adds the third engine to the bottom as you describe, but rather than building a structure on top, it expands the center section forward, filling in the space between the left and right sections. A similar approach for the designs you mention seems more appropriate.

By Robert Cole (Zathras) on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 08:20 am: Edit

Lyran Medium Cruiser: When asked to design a ship which was easily produced, easily repaired, and quickly maintained, early designers first looked at upgrading the Panther Light Cruiser into a "War Cruiser". The resulting design was actually much more powerful than the initial Jaguar (mainly due to power problems which were later fixed by the power pack refit), but there were several impediments to the ship's acceptance into the Lyran fleet.

Development of the new Wildcat Battlecruiser was strongly suggesting that the Panther could be upgraded to that design.
The all phaser-1 armament was, while powerful, a big stepping stone. Logistics Command was not sure they would be able to maintain supply of these expensive weapons. In addition there was fear that the older Panther hulls would not be able to support 4 disruptors.
The CM did not appear to have much room for variants, something the Jaguar proposal was much more solid on.
The proposed Jaguar was definitely under-powered, but the War Panther was even more-so due to the higher number of phasers and disruptors.
The proposed Jaguar was more maneuverable than the War Panther.

In the end, obviously, the CM did not go into production. Records do show that at least one of these ships was converted from a Panther in Y164 as part of a design "fly off".

- this was a design I made seeing what a non-Trimaran Lyran CW might look like. It's basically a beefed up CL, but I consider it one of my favorite designs.

By James B. Pennington (Cutlass401) on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 09:56 am: Edit

Mike Raper:

R11.64 says the design was not entirely sucessfull, so I thought the Lyrans would try something else besides filling in gap between the hulls.

I was thinking of something similar to the "rollbar" used on the Reliant in STII, it could be added and/or removed fairly quickly with out a total overhaul of the ship.

JBP

By michael john campbell (Michaelcampbell) on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 10:36 am: Edit

J.W.:

Yeah, I wasn't sure where that went, if at all. Thanks for the data.

By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 12:22 pm: Edit

James,

Yes, I know. But in your original post you said:

Quote:
Only one DD and one FF were converted, the Lyrans found the design unsatisfactory (much like the Federation found the DHD.) Work on converting a CL was stopped before any major work was done.

So, I figure that's why it was unsatisfactory. Same approach, different ship, same crappy results.

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 05:22 pm: Edit

I would take a CL, up the engines to 24, and stop there. To keep the universe in balance I would then make a fast BC out of it.

By Michael C. Grafton (Mike_Grafton) on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 01:33 pm: Edit

I have previously submitted to ADB a "unique" Lyran CL (I think I called it a CM). What I proposed was the CL gets KLINGON D5 engines (with the Disruptors mounted there) thus it has more hull room.

I really think it would be a heck of a logical improvement for the late years. It is about equal to the CWL.

MIke

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