| By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Tuesday, October 24, 2023 - 02:05 pm: Edit |
FRAX (All Module C4 unless noted otherwise):
Base Hulls: BB, DNH (CL #27), DN, BCH, CA, CW, DW, FF, POL.
Leaders: CC, CWL, DWL, FFL.
Fast: DNL (CL #27), CF (SFT #27).
Carriers: CVA, SCS, BCV, BCV, CV, CWV, CWU (patrol carrier), DWV.
Escorts: CWE, DWE, FFE, FCR.
Drone: CWD, DWD, MDW (missile), FFD.
Commando: CWG, DWG.
Minesweeper: CWM, DWM.
PF Tenders: PFT (CW).
Scout: CWS, DWS.
Transports: TG, LTT,
Torpedo Variants: DAT, FAT (CL #41).
Maulers: MCW.
Stasis: ACW.
Submarines: SCG, SCW, SCL, SDD, SFF.
X-Ships: CCX, DWX, DSX, SCX (Submarine). All Module P6.
Early Years: YCA (CL #42).
Generic: BATS (CL #?).
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, October 24, 2023 - 03:14 pm: Edit |
Does that need to be in C4R? Is it ships we need or ships we have in C4?
| By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Sunday, November 12, 2023 - 11:47 am: Edit |
Here is a list of the Frax SSDs.
| Type Rule Empire Name | SSD Page |
| ACW R51.32 Frax Stasis War Cruiser | C4- 32 |
| BATS R1.2-R51 Frax Battle Station | CL34 Pg- 103 |
| BATS R1.2-R51 Frax Battle Station (Axion Torp) | CL34 Pg- 103 |
| BB R51.8 Frax Battleship | C4- 8 |
| BCH R51.28 Frax Heavy Battlecruiser | C4- 28 |
| BCS R51.30 Frax Battle Control Ship | C4- 30 |
| BCV R51.29 Frax Battle Carrier | C4- 29 |
| CA R51.3 Frax Heavy Cruiser | C4- 3 |
| CC R51.9 Frax Command Cruiser | C4- 9 |
| CCX R51.924 Frax X-Command Cruiser | P6 Pg- 48 |
| CF R51.A3 Frax Fast Cruiser | CL27 Pg- 59 |
| CV R51.18 Frax Carrier | C4- 18 |
| CVA R51.26 Frax Heavy Carrier | C4- 26 |
| CW R51.4 Frax War Cruiser | C4- 4 |
| CWA R51.7A Frax War Cruiser Aegis Escort | C4- 7 |
| CWD R51.37 Frax Drone War Cruiser | C4- 37 |
| CWD(B) R51.37A Frax Drone Bombardment War Cruiser | C4- 37 |
| CWE R51.7 Frax War Cruiser Escort | C4- 7 |
| CWG R51.33 Frax Commado War Cruiser | C4- 33 |
| CWL R51.39 Frax War Cruiser Leader | C4- 39 |
| CWM R51.35 Frax War Cruiser Minesweeper | C4- 35 |
| CWS R51.38 Frax War Cruiser Scout | C4- 38 |
| CWU R51.A4 Frax Patrol Carrier | CL27 Pg- 60 |
| CWV R51.5 Frax War Carrier | C4- 5 |
| DAT R51.- Frax War Torpedo Destroyer | CL41 Pg- 118 |
| Demon-1 R51.F1 Frax Demon-1 Fighter | C4 Pg- 38 |
| Demon-1E R51.F1E Frax Demon-1 Electronic Warfare Fighter | C4 Pg- 38 |
| Demon-1EM R51.F1E Frax Demon-1 Electronic Warfare Fighter Megafighter | C4 Pg- 38 |
| Demon-1M R51.F1 Frax Demon-1 Fighter Megafighter | C4 Pg- 38 |
| Demon-2 R51.F2 Frax Demon-2 Fighter | C4 Pg- 38 |
| Demon-2E R51.F2E Frax Demon-2 Electronic Warfare Fighter | C4 Pg- 38 |
| Demon-2EM R51.F2E Frax Demon-2 Electronic Warfare Fighter Megafighter | C4 Pg- 38 |
| Demon-2M R51.F2 Frax Demon-2 Fighter Megafighter | C4 Pg- 38 |
| Demon-3 R51.F3 Frax Demon-3 Fighter | C4 Pg- 38 |
| Demon-3C R51.F3 Frax Demon-3 Fighter | C4 Pg- 38 |
| Demon-3CM R51.F3 Frax Demon-3 Fighter Megafighter | C4 Pg- 38 |
| Demon-3E R51.F3E Frax Demon-3 Electronic Warfare Fighter | C4 Pg- 38 |
| Demon-3EM R51.F3E Frax Demon-3 Electronic Warfare Fighter Megafighter | C4 Pg- 38 |
| Demon-3M R51.F3 Frax Demon-3 Fighter Megafighter | C4 Pg- 38 |
| Demon-4 R51.F4 Frax Demon-4 Fighter | C4 Pg- 38 |
| Demon-4C R51.F4 Frax Demon-4 Fighter | C4 Pg- 38 |
| Demon-4CM R51.F4 Frax Demon-4 Fighter Megafighter | C4 Pg- 38 |
| Demon-4E R51.F4E Frax Demon-4 Electronic Warfare Fighter | C4 Pg- 38 |
| Demon-4EM R51.F4E Frax Demon-4 Electronic Warfare Fighter Megafighter | C4 Pg- 38 |
| Demon-4M R51.F4 Frax Demon-4 Fighter Megafighter | C4 Pg- 38 |
| Demon-H R51.F5 Frax Deamon-H Heavy Fighter | C4 Pg- 38 |
| Demon-HF R51.F10 Frax Deamon-HF Heavy Superiority Fighter | CL41 Pg- 103 |
| Demon-HF-SQN R51.F10 Frax Heavy Fighter Squadron | CL41 Pg- 103 |
| Demon-HI R51.F11 Frax Deamon-HI Heavy Superiority Fighter | CL41 Pg- 103 |
| Demon-HIF R51.F12 Frax Deamon-HIF Heavy Intercept Fighter | CL41 Pg- 103 |
| Demon-HIF-SQN R51.F12 Frax Heavy Fighter Squadron | CL41 Pg- 103 |
| Demon-HI-SQN R51.F11 Frax Heavy Fighter Squadron | CL41 Pg- 103 |
| Demon-HM R51.F5 Frax Deamon-H Heavy Fighter Megafighter | C4 Pg- 38 |
| Demon-H-SQN R51.F5 Frax Heavy Fighter Squadron | CL41 Pg- 103 |
| Dev-1 R51.F6 Frax Devastator Bomber | G3 Pg- 142 |
| Dev-1F R51.F7 Frax Devastator Bomber | G3 Pg- 142 |
| Dev-1FM R51.F7 Frax Devastator Bomber Megafighter | G3 Pg- 142 |
| Dev-1M R51.F6 Frax Devastator Bomber Megafighter | G3 Pg- 142 |
| Dev-2 R51.F8 Frax Devastator Bomber | G3 Pg- 142 |
| Dev-2F R51.F9 Frax Devastator Bomber | G3 Pg- 142 |
| Dev-2FM R51.F9 Frax Devastator Bomber Megafighter | G3 Pg- 142 |
| Dev-2M R51.F8 Frax Devastator Bomber Megafighter | G3 Pg- 142 |
| DN R51.2 Frax Dreadnought | C4- 2 |
| DNH R51.A1 Frax Heavy Dreadnought | CL27 Pg- 57 |
| DNL R51.A2 Frax Light Dreadnought | CL27 Pg- 58 |
| DSX R51.913 Frax X-Scout | P6 Pg- 47 |
| DW R51.10 Frax War Destroyer | C4- 10 |
| DWA R51.14A Frax War Destroyer Aegis Escort | C4- 14 |
| DWD R51.11 Frax Drone War Destroyer | C4- 11 |
| DWD(B) R51.11A Frax Drone Bombardment War Destroyer | C4- 11 |
| DWE R51.14 Frax War Destroyer Escort | C4- 14 |
| DWG R51.17 Frax Commando War Destroyer | C4- 17 |
| DWL R51.16 Frax War Destroyer Leader | C4- 16 |
| DWM R51.13 Frax War Destroyer Minehunter | C4- 13 |
| DWS R51.12 Frax War Destroyer Scout | C4- 12 |
| DWT R51.0 Frax Torpedo Destoryer | ADB Web-xDWT |
| DWV R51.40 Frax War Destroyer Carrier | C4- 40 |
| DWX R51.915 Frax Advanced War Destroyer | P6 Pg- 49 |
| FAT R51.- Frax Torpedo Frigate | CL41 Pg- 117 |
| FCR R51.44 Frax Fast Carrier Resupply Ship | C4- 44 |
| FF R51.20 Frax Frigate | C4- 20 |
| FFA R51.43A Frax Aegis Frigate | C4- 43 |
| FFD R51.42 Frax Drone Frigate | C4- 42 |
| FFD(D) R51.42A Frax Drone Bombardment Frigate | C4- 42 |
| FFE R51.43 Frax Escort Frigate | C4- 43 |
| FFL R51.45 Frax Frigate Leader | C4- 45 |
| FRD R1.10-R51 Frax Fleet Repair Dock | AM-2014-SSD- 4/AM- 4 |
| LTA R51.34 Frax Frax LTT with Klignon Heavy Carrier Pod | C4- 34/R03_SSD- 2/R03- 2 |
| LTM R51.34 Frax Frax LTT with Klignon P-M11 Pod | - |
| LTT R51.34 Frax Light Tactical Transport | C4- 34 |
| LTV R51.34 Frax Light Tactical Tug With A Klingon P-H5 Hanger Pod | C4- 34/AM_SSD2014 Pg- 52/AM- 52 |
| MCW R51.36 Frax War Cruiser Mauler | C4- 36 |
| MDW R51.15 Frax Missle Destroyer | C4- 15 |
| Mon R1.22-R51 Frax Monitor | AM-2014-SSD- 25/CL47 Pg- 91 |
| P-B4 R3.14-R51 Frax Battle Pod | AM-2014-SSD- 52/AM- 52 |
| P-C1 R3.11-R51 Frax Cargo Pod | AM-2014-SSD- 52/AM- 52 |
| P-D8 R3.68-R51 Frax Drone Bombardment Pod | R03-2000- 2/R03- 2 |
| PF R51.PF1 Frax Fast Patrol Ship | C4- 46 |
| PFC R1.PF1-R51 Frax Cargo Fast Patrol Ship | C4- 38 |
| PFD R51.PF2 Frax Drone Fast Patrol Ship | C4- 46 |
| PFF R1.PF5-R51 Frax Fi-Con Fast Patrol Ship | C4- 38 |
| PF-Flotilla R51.PF Frax PF Flotilla | C4- 46 |
| PFG R1.PF3-R51 Frax Ground Assault Fast Patrol Ship | C4- 38 |
| PFL R1.PF6-R51 Frax Fast Patrol Ship Leader | C4- 46 |
| PFM R1.PF4-R51 Frax Mine Warfare Fast Patrol Ship | C4- 38 |
| PFQ R1.PF8-R51 Frax Survey Fast Patrol Ship | CL31 Pg- 112 |
| PFR R1.PF8-R51 Frax Recovery Fast Patrol Ship | CL31 Pg- 94 |
| PFS R1.PF2-R51 Frax Scout Fast Patrol Ship | C4- 46 |
| PFT R51.6 Frax PF Tender | C4- 6 |
| P-H5 R3.15-R51 Frax Carrier Pod (Fighters) | AM-2014-SSD- 52/AM- 52 |
| P-H5A R3.15-R51 Frax Carrier Pod (Ground Assault) | AM-2014-SSD- 52/AM- 52 |
| P-HF12 R3.160-R51 Frax Heavy Fighter Resupply Pods | R11- 34 |
| P-M11 R3.159-R51 Frax Medium Hanger Pods | R11- 34 |
| POL R51.41 Frax Police Corvette | C4- 41 |
| P-P2 R3.12-R51 Frax Power Boost Pod | AM-2014-SSD- 52/AM- 52 |
| P-PF6 R3.66-R51 Frax PF Tender Pod | R03-2000- 2/R03- 2 |
| P-PT13 R3.161-R51 Frax PF Transport Pod | R11- 34 |
| P-R9 R3.69-R51 Frax Repair Pod | R03-2000- 2/R03- 2 |
| P-S10 R3.85-R51 Frax Space Control Pod | R05 Pg- 7 |
| P-T3 R3.13-R51 Frax Troop Transport Pod | AM-2014-SSD- 52/AM- 52 |
| P-V7 R3.67-R51 Frax CVA Pod | R03-2000- 2 |
| P-V7A R3.67-R51 Frax Ground Assault Pod | R03-2000- 2 |
| SAH R1.76-R51 Frax Small Heavy Auxiliary Carrier | R11- 6 |
| SCG R51.24 Frax Submarine Missile Cruiser | C4- 24/SSN02 Pg- 4 |
| SCG (D) R91.24 Frax Submarine Drone Cruiser | SSN02 Pg- 4 |
| SCL R51.25 Frax Light Cruiser Sub | C4- 25 |
| SCS R51.27 Frax Space Control Ship | C4- 27 |
| SCW R51.23 Frax War Cruiser Sub | C4- 23 |
| SCW (D) R91.23 Frax Submarine War Cruiser | SSN02 Pg- 3 |
| SDD R51.22 Frax Destroyer Sub | C4- 22 |
| SDP R51.RC2 Frax Mothership Sub | WebRCole- 1 |
| SFF R51.21 Frax Submarine Frigate | C4- 21/SSN02 Pg- 2 |
| SFF (D) R91.21 Frax Submarine Frigate (Drone) | SSN02 Pg- 2 |
| SR R51.31 Frax Survey Cruiser | C4- 31 |
| SUB R91.22 Frax Submarine (Drone Destroyer) | SL89 Pg- 3 |
| SWX R51.940 Frax Advanced Sub War Cruiser | P6 Pg- 50 |
| TCC R51.9T Frax Tournament Command Cruiser | T2012- 23/T2005 Pg- 23 |
| TGV R51.19 Frax Tug with a Pari of Klingon P-H5 Hanger Pods | C4- 19 |
| TUG R51.19 Frax Tug | C4- 19 |
| TVA R51.19 Frax Tug With A Pair of Klingon P-V7 Heavy Carrier Pods | C4- 19/R03-2012 Pg- 3/R03-2000- 2 |
| TVL R51.19 Frax Tug with a Single Klingon P-H5 Hangar Pod | C4- 19/AM_SSD2014- 52/AM- 56 |
| TVM R51.19 Frax Tug with Single Klingon P-M11 Pod | C4- 19/R11- 34 |
| TVMA R51.19 Frax Tug with a Pair of Klingon P-M11 Hanger Pods | C4- 19/R11- 34 |
| TVS R51.19 Frax Tug With a Single Klingon P-V7 Pod | C4- 19/R03_SSD- 2/R03- 2 |
| WB R1.PF7-R51 Frax Workboat | - |
| YCA YR51.2 Frax Early Heavy Cruiser | CL42 Pg- 111 |
| By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Sunday, November 12, 2023 - 11:49 am: Edit |
This list just has products.
| Type Rule Empire Name |
| ACW R51.32 Frax Stasis War Cruiser C4 |
| BATS R1.2-R51 Frax Battle Station CL34 |
| BATS R1.2-R51 Frax Battle Station (Axion Torp) CL34 |
| BB R51.8 Frax Battleship C4 |
| BCH R51.28 Frax Heavy Battlecruiser C4 |
| BCS R51.30 Frax Battle Control Ship C4 |
| BCV R51.29 Frax Battle Carrier C4 |
| CA R51.3 Frax Heavy Cruiser C4 |
| CC R51.9 Frax Command Cruiser C4 |
| CCX R51.924 Frax X-Command Cruiser P6 |
| CF R51.A3 Frax Fast Cruiser CL27 |
| CV R51.18 Frax Carrier C4 |
| CVA R51.26 Frax Heavy Carrier C4 |
| CW R51.4 Frax War Cruiser C4 |
| CWA R51.7A Frax War Cruiser Aegis Escort C4 |
| CWD R51.37 Frax Drone War Cruiser C4 |
| CWD(B) R51.37A Frax Drone Bombardment War Cruiser C4 |
| CWE R51.7 Frax War Cruiser Escort C4 |
| CWG R51.33 Frax Commado War Cruiser C4 |
| CWL R51.39 Frax War Cruiser Leader C4 |
| CWM R51.35 Frax War Cruiser Minesweeper C4 |
| CWS R51.38 Frax War Cruiser Scout C4 |
| CWU R51.A4 Frax Patrol Carrier CL27 |
| CWV R51.5 Frax War Carrier C4 |
| DAT R51.- Frax War Torpedo Destroyer CL41 |
| Demon-1 R51.F1 Frax Demon-1 Fighter C4 |
| Demon-1E R51.F1E Frax Demon-1 Electronic Warfare Fighter C4 |
| Demon-1EM R51.F1E Frax Demon-1 Electronic Warfare Fighter Megafighter C4 |
| Demon-1M R51.F1 Frax Demon-1 Fighter Megafighter C4 |
| Demon-2 R51.F2 Frax Demon-2 Fighter C4 |
| Demon-2E R51.F2E Frax Demon-2 Electronic Warfare Fighter C4 |
| Demon-2EM R51.F2E Frax Demon-2 Electronic Warfare Fighter Megafighter C4 |
| Demon-2M R51.F2 Frax Demon-2 Fighter Megafighter C4 |
| Demon-3 R51.F3 Frax Demon-3 Fighter C4 |
| Demon-3C R51.F3 Frax Demon-3 Fighter C4 |
| Demon-3CM R51.F3 Frax Demon-3 Fighter Megafighter C4 |
| Demon-3E R51.F3E Frax Demon-3 Electronic Warfare Fighter C4 |
| Demon-3EM R51.F3E Frax Demon-3 Electronic Warfare Fighter Megafighter C4 |
| Demon-3M R51.F3 Frax Demon-3 Fighter Megafighter C4 |
| Demon-4 R51.F4 Frax Demon-4 Fighter C4 |
| Demon-4C R51.F4 Frax Demon-4 Fighter C4 |
| Demon-4CM R51.F4 Frax Demon-4 Fighter Megafighter C4 |
| Demon-4E R51.F4E Frax Demon-4 Electronic Warfare Fighter C4 |
| Demon-4EM R51.F4E Frax Demon-4 Electronic Warfare Fighter Megafighter C4 |
| Demon-4M R51.F4 Frax Demon-4 Fighter Megafighter C4 |
| Demon-H R51.F5 Frax Deamon-H Heavy Fighter C4 |
| Demon-HF R51.F10 Frax Deamon-HF Heavy Superiority Fighter CL41 |
| Demon-HF-SQN R51.F10 Frax Heavy Fighter Squadron CL41 |
| Demon-HI R51.F11 Frax Deamon-HI Heavy Superiority Fighter CL41 |
| Demon-HIF R51.F12 Frax Deamon-HIF Heavy Intercept Fighter CL41 |
| Demon-HIF-SQN R51.F12 Frax Heavy Fighter Squadron CL41 |
| Demon-HI-SQN R51.F11 Frax Heavy Fighter Squadron CL41 |
| Demon-HM R51.F5 Frax Deamon-H Heavy Fighter Megafighter C4 |
| Demon-H-SQN R51.F5 Frax Heavy Fighter Squadron CL41 |
| Dev-1 R51.F6 Frax Devastator Bomber C4R |
| Dev-1F R51.F7 Frax Devastator Bomber C4R |
| Dev-1FM R51.F7 Frax Devastator Bomber Megafighter C4R |
| Dev-1M R51.F6 Frax Devastator Bomber Megafighter C4R |
| Dev-2 R51.F8 Frax Devastator Bomber C4R |
| Dev-2F R51.F9 Frax Devastator Bomber C4R |
| Dev-2FM R51.F9 Frax Devastator Bomber Megafighter C4R |
| Dev-2M R51.F8 Frax Devastator Bomber Megafighter C4R |
| DN R51.2 Frax Dreadnought C4 |
| DNH R51.A1 Frax Heavy Dreadnought CL27 |
| DNL R51.A2 Frax Light Dreadnought CL27 |
| DSX R51.913 Frax X-Scout P6 |
| DW R51.10 Frax War Destroyer C4 |
| DWA R51.14A Frax War Destroyer Aegis Escort C4 |
| DWD R51.11 Frax Drone War Destroyer C4 |
| DWD(B) R51.11A Frax Drone Bombardment War Destroyer C4 |
| DWE R51.14 Frax War Destroyer Escort C4 |
| DWG R51.17 Frax Commando War Destroyer C4 |
| DWL R51.16 Frax War Destroyer Leader C4 |
| DWM R51.13 Frax War Destroyer Minehunter C4 |
| DWS R51.12 Frax War Destroyer Scout C4 |
| DWT R51.0 Frax Torpedo Destoryer WebADB |
| DWV R51.40 Frax War Destroyer Carrier C4 |
| DWX R51.915 Frax Advanced War Destroyer P6 |
| FAT R51.- Frax Torpedo Frigate CL41 |
| FCR R51.44 Frax Fast Carrier Resupply Ship C4 |
| FF R51.20 Frax Frigate C4 |
| FFA R51.43A Frax Aegis Frigate C4 |
| FFD R51.42 Frax Drone Frigate C4 |
| FFD(D) R51.42A Frax Drone Bombardment Frigate C4 |
| FFE R51.43 Frax Escort Frigate C4 |
| FFL R51.45 Frax Frigate Leader C4 |
| FRD R1.10-R51 Frax Fleet Repair Dock CL47 |
| LTA R51.34 Frax Frax LTT with Klignon Heavy Carrier Pod Future |
| LTM R51.34 Frax Frax LTT with Klignon P-M11 Pod Future |
| LTT R51.34 Frax Light Tactical Transport C4 |
| LTV R51.34 Frax Light Tactical Tug With A Klingon P-H5 Hanger Pod Future |
| MCW R51.36 Frax War Cruiser Mauler C4 |
| MDW R51.15 Frax Missle Destroyer C4 |
| Mon R1.22-R51 Frax Monitor AM |
| P-B4 R3.14-R51 Frax Battle Pod C4/AM |
| P-C1 R3.11-R51 Frax Cargo Pod AM |
| P-D8 R3.68-R51 Frax Drone Bombardment Pod R03 |
| PF R51.PF1 Frax Fast Patrol Ship C4 |
| PFC R1.PF1-R51 Frax Cargo Fast Patrol Ship C4 |
| PFD R51.PF2 Frax Drone Fast Patrol Ship C4 |
| PFF R1.PF5-R51 Frax Fi-Con Fast Patrol Ship C4 |
| PF-Flotilla R51.PF Frax PF Flotilla C4 |
| PFG R1.PF3-R51 Frax Ground Assault Fast Patrol Ship C4 |
| PFL R1.PF6-R51 Frax Fast Patrol Ship Leader C4 |
| PFM R1.PF4-R51 Frax Mine Warfare Fast Patrol Ship C4 |
| PFQ R1.PF8-R51 Frax Survey Fast Patrol Ship CL31 |
| PFR R1.PF8-R51 Frax Recovery Fast Patrol Ship CL31 |
| PFS R1.PF2-R51 Frax Scout Fast Patrol Ship C4 |
| PFT R51.6 Frax PF Tender C4 |
| P-H5 R3.15-R51 Frax Carrier Pod (Fighters) G3A |
| P-H5A R3.15-R51 Frax Carrier Pod (Ground Assault) C4 |
| P-HF12 R3.160-R51 Frax Heavy Fighter Resupply Pods R11 |
| P-M11 R3.159-R51 Frax Medium Hanger Pods R11 |
| POL R51.41 Frax Police Corvette C4 |
| P-P2 R3.12-R51 Frax Power Boost Pod C4/AM |
| P-PF6 R3.66-R51 Frax PF Tender Pod R03 |
| P-PT13 R3.161-R51 Frax PF Transport Pod R11 |
| P-R9 R3.69-R51 Frax Repair Pod R03 |
| P-S10 R3.85-R51 Frax Space Control Pod G3A |
| P-T3 R3.13-R51 Frax Troop Transport Pod AM |
| P-V7 R3.67-R51 Frax CVA Pod G3A |
| P-V7A R3.67-R51 Frax Ground Assault Pod C4 |
| SAH R1.76-R51 Frax Small Heavy Auxiliary Carrier R11 |
| SCG R51.24 Frax Submarine Missile Cruiser C4 |
| SCG (D) R91.24 Frax Submarine Drone Cruiser SSN02 |
| SCL R51.25 Frax Light Cruiser Sub C4 |
| SCS R51.27 Frax Space Control Ship C4 |
| SCW R51.23 Frax War Cruiser Sub C4 |
| SCW (D) R91.23 Frax Submarine War Cruiser SSN02 |
| SDD R51.22 Frax Destroyer Sub C4 |
| SDP R51.RC2 Frax Mothership Sub WebRCole |
| SFF R51.21 Frax Submarine Frigate C4 |
| SFF (D) R91.21 Frax Submarine Frigate (Drone) SSN02 |
| SR R51.31 Frax Survey Cruiser C4 |
| SUB R91.22 Frax Submarine (Drone Destroyer) SL89 |
| SWX R51.940 Frax Advanced Sub War Cruiser P6 |
| TCC R51.9T Frax Tournament Command Cruiser C4/SL73 |
| TGV R51.19 Frax Tug with a Pari of Klingon P-H5 Hanger Pods C4 |
| TUG R51.19 Frax Tug C4 |
| TVA R51.19 Frax Tug With A Pair of Klingon P-V7 Heavy Carrier Pods C4 |
| TVL R51.19 Frax Tug with a Single Klingon P-H5 Hangar Pod C4 |
| TVM R51.19 Frax Tug with Single Klingon P-M11 Pod Future |
| TVMA R51.19 Frax Tug with a Pair of Klingon P-M11 Hanger Pods Future |
| TVS R51.19 Frax Tug With a Single Klingon P-V7 Pod Future |
| WB R1.PF7-R51 Frax Workboat Future |
| YCA YR51.2 Frax Early Heavy Cruiser CL42 |
| By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Tuesday, November 14, 2023 - 12:58 pm: Edit |
Ken Kazinski:
Have you received my last few E-mails? I am beginning to suspect that somehow my E-mail is. not working when I send things to you and some others.
| By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Sunday, December 03, 2023 - 09:11 am: Edit |
Steve,
I have not received anything from you since June.
| By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Wednesday, December 06, 2023 - 12:52 pm: Edit |
Must be something in the E-mail system. I will ask our resident expert (Al Beddow) and see if he can deal with it. Between SVC's computer problems and now we know mine this is not good. I can still reach this board. but I have not gotten anything from you since apparently June. Argghh. Sigh.
| By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Thursday, December 07, 2023 - 03:06 pm: Edit |
I sent you and Al a couple of emails in October asking if you received the file I sent.
| By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Friday, December 08, 2023 - 02:43 pm: Edit |
And I replied that I had received The Orion file, and sent some feedback. The wonders of technology. Currently Al thinks that your computer may be sending E-mail from me directly to the trash because your Spam filter may not recognize our new Web host.
| By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Wednesday, December 13, 2023 - 06:39 pm: Edit |
Have both of you received my emails?
| By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Thursday, December 14, 2023 - 01:49 pm: Edit |
I have.
| By Stephen G. Parry (Mutant) on Tuesday, November 19, 2024 - 03:34 pm: Edit |
I have some new product suggestions relating to supporting tournament play. I hope this is a good place to post them?
1) Update module to TR to reflect the latest MRB. Make this available in e-book as well as POD printed form.
2) Split the new TR into two products.
- TR: Just the rules supporting the sanctioned tournament ships (plus possibly the Vudar and Jindarian ships, as they are MRB races)
- TRP: the rules to support the playtest ships.
3) Create 2+1 new counter sheets, for same empire (Fed v Fed, Klingon v Klingon etc.) matches. These would be copies of the existing pair from Module T and an ammo sheet. All that would be different would be that the counters would be printed light blue on white, as used for the alternative Hydran and Andromedan ammunition.
4) Custom color EAFs for each tournament ship, with engine/aux/battery indicated, arming costs shown etc. I have started work on these in spreadsheet form myself.
5) Megahex counters for tournaments, with each ship included twice but distinguishable, for same empire matches.
6) A tournament set - a set that includes everything the budding tournament player needs to play:
- Basic Set Rules
- Module T Rules
- Module T Color SSD sets x 2 in punched loose leaf form for lamination and/or copying (pre-laminated would be even better, but hey, I know that's probably impractical)
- Module TR book
- map
- EAF x 2
- Color DAC
- Sequence of Play
- D6 dice x 2
- counter sheets (T + ammo + alt.T + alt.ammo)
- dry wipe pen
- voucher for SFBOL trial
all in a hard-wearing three ring binder with color cover inserts and pockets for counters, pen and dice. The binder could be shrink wrapped for presentation and shipping and act as a box for the parts. The use case here is as a Birthday/Christmas/Self gift for a person (favorite niece/nephew, grandchild etc.) who has maybe seen SFB played and shown an interest, or played a couple of times and enjoyed it, or is a keen gamer but has never played SFB. It gives them everything they need to play tournament with a buddy or online via SFBOL. Another use case is as part of the library of an RPG or Wargame group.
You could also have an 'upgrade' version that excludes the rulebook and map from the Basic Set.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, November 19, 2024 - 03:55 pm: Edit |
Allow me to comment on the ideas.
1. Updated Module TR: I am not sure the last time we did this but that should actually be easy. I'll mention it to Jean.
2. I am not sure that splitting it would accomplish much. The cost differential would be minor. But I'm not a tournament player and marketing Jean will decide that one, if she thinks the whole project is worth pursuing.
3. Countersheets: the simple answer is "no way in heck" because the minimum print run of 1000 is about 100 times the number we would sell. However, I am been trying to talk with some special vendors who might be able to produce very short runs of counters at a reasonable cost (or not). I'll know more when I have gotten answers. I have been talking to one of them for almost two years without an answer, but a new one popped up and I just sent the first email to him.
4. We could sell such things as PDFs but short run color printing costs over a dollar a page so that won't happen.
5. Megahex: see answer #3 above. Same answer would apply.
6. That is probably more elaborate of a product than we would ever produce, but some lower version of it might work. For example, whatever a binder costs you could buy at Office Depot for the same price we would pay, and we'd have to charge two or three times that price due to handling. The hand labor to assemble this thing would make it prohibitively expensive. I'm no expert but I think the total sales of such birthday presents would be less than a dozen a year.
| By Stephen G. Parry (Mutant) on Tuesday, November 19, 2024 - 05:09 pm: Edit |
Thanks for the reply Steve, it is good to see you on the mend and back at work. Next time, let someone else wear the red shirt!
Re (6) - yes, sadly you are probably right, the sales would probably be minimal. I just felt that tournament play might be a good way to expand the player base.
Re counters: I get what you mean. I found these guys (https://www.boardgamesmaker.com/about.aspx); they are based in China, which could rule them out and at the prices quoted to the public it would be impossible to make a profit. However, as a publisher you might be able to get a reasonable quote out of them? They are full color, 1/2" and 1", no setup fee and operate without a minimum order quantity - just a sliding scale of costs. They give discounts for life on larger orders. At the very least you could use the quote as a competitive quote when dealing with other, less flexible suppliers?
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, November 19, 2024 - 08:10 pm: Edit |
I will check into them Thursday.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, November 21, 2024 - 04:18 pm: Edit |
I have some information, not enough to offer a specific product, but enough to show that the path is steep and narrow.
The art for Module T was done in an old format that is no longer available, but it would take me at worst one day or two to do new art all over again. Then I could do color swaps in a couple of hours, producing a T-Alt sheet with red Feds and blue Klingons for example. That would give you the civil war sheet you want, printed in a quantity (50) that we might actually sell in a year (more likely five years).
The problem is that given that we do sell about 20% of units to brick-and-mortar stores that agree to never sell at a discount (something I didn't know until now, I do know we don't sell to wholesalers or discount retailers any more) we'd have to charge a "base price" high enough that we wouldn't lose money on a sheet sold to a store. But then, we don't sell spare parts to stores. It would be arguable if T-ALT was a product or a part, since it isn't really a product but isn't part of a product.
That base price is going to be around $24 a sheet, three times the "normal" price of a sheet printed 1000 at a time. I suspect that would be so high that you wouldn't want to buy it.
That being the case, the only way we could do it would be to have at least 25 people pre-order and pre-pay for the T-Alt sheet. THAT gets tricky because if we charge your credit card we (contractually) have only 30 days to ship the product. I don't know what the printer's turnaround time is but I suspect it would be most of those 30 days, and you'd have to consider that it could easily take 10 days to amass 25 orders and even then only if we advertised the heck out of the fact that we'd have the T-ALT sheet available for pre-order only for a few days starting a month from the announcement. [We could do a very tiny kickstarter to manage the tricky credit card rules but they take a cut of the money which would make the price higher.]
Not impossible, but tricky.
Would you or anyone else pay $24 for T-ALT?
There is another option, but it's even more tricky. If I did a half-sheet (140 counters) or a quarter-sheet of 60 counters which had just the SHIPS in alt-colors (you would have to use the existing drone, shuttle, and other markers from an empire of that color on the old T-sheet) would there be 50 people who would pay $12 or 100 people who would pay $6? I doubt it, but I won't know unless I ask. If I could think of three other "sheets of 60" (say, motorcycles for Star Fleet Marines, 4-pod Auxes for F&E, North Polar ships for SFB/FC) we'd be back to the minimum of 50 printed and 25 sold but I'd also have to find customers for the other quarter-sheets.
Tricky and fascinating.
The Chinese ideogram for "crisis" is a combination of the ones for "danger" and "opportunity".
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, November 21, 2024 - 04:42 pm: Edit |
Just heard from the guys with "short source two" who had a fascinating idea I need to look into.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, November 21, 2024 - 09:18 pm: Edit |
Okay, the guys from "short source two" told me about a fascinating idea. Using this idea, we could print fairly tiny quantities of sheets in mini-batches, maybe one mini-batch every few months, each batch including counters for whatever old products just ran out of counters and whatever special counters we think anyone would buy or which we had pre-orders for.
The current mega-batch concept only works one way and that produces four sheets, 1000 copies of each sheet. Four thousand sheets at X bucks a sheet means spending a lot of the cash reserve. That's easy to do on new products; painful to do on reprints; impossible to do on special request oddball counters.
The new mini-batch concept would produce (for example) 10 of C1, 24 of C2, 36 of C3, 26 of C4, and 4 of ALT-T. A total of 100. This solves the problem of investing money in huge stocks of counters we don't need that many of, when the alternative is to be out of one SFB module and start rumors that the whole line is about to be dropped (which will never happen).
Assuming that the Female Force that actually runs ADB was willing to see me spend that much of my limited productive time doing new art for module T and for T-ALT, we could easily produce one copy of T-ALT for SGP (if he agreed to buy it) and another two or three sheets which we would offer for sale. If anybody bought them we would do more in the next mini-batch. If nobody bought them then we wasted 3 times X dollars which is less than I spend for lunch and I am notorious for cheap food (e.g., $10 to eat at Dairy Queen).
When I have hard numbers, I will get you updated information. In the meantime, if you always wanted (or once had an idea for) some kind of special countersheet that we told you was impossible to print because we would never sell 1000, then the world has just shifted on its fulcrum and you could remind me of that request/idea.
| By Mike Erickson (Mike_Erickson) on Friday, November 22, 2024 - 11:21 am: Edit |
>> This solves the problem of investing money in huge stocks of counters we don't need that many of
Financially speaking, this also takes you out of the business of "investing" in counters long term and brings you closer to Just In Time manufacturing.
--Mike
| By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Friday, November 22, 2024 - 04:12 pm: Edit |
A counter sheet for the Borak, Peladine, Juggernauts and Nicozians.
Module C3A countersheet.
| By Steve Stewart (Stevestewart) on Monday, November 25, 2024 - 07:18 am: Edit |
A long time ago I proposed a set of Turn / Slip and ammunition counters for Fed Cdr. Would that be the sort of thing that would fit with this?
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, November 25, 2024 - 06:28 pm: Edit |
I thought FC already had those?
| By Steve Stewart (Stevestewart) on Tuesday, November 26, 2024 - 08:30 am: Edit |
I think you put it on your "short jobs" list, but it never floated to the top! This proposal was to provide additional turn / slip counters and ammunition for some races who were a bit short. I'll put a reminder in the FC Forum if it would help?
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, November 26, 2024 - 04:01 pm: Edit |
We sent our first order to SOURCE TWO for enough Klingon Border and SFB Basic Set to get those products back in print for the sale. I expect to end another order in a week or two to restock Y1 and some other out of print SFB products. News when I have it.
| By Stephen G. Parry (Mutant) on Wednesday, June 18, 2025 - 08:23 pm: Edit |
Thanks for all this SVC. Sorry, I somehow missed these posts in the madness that has been my life as a career educator over the last six months until now. (if any of you are considering becoming a teacher of any kind at any level, please factor in the strong possibility the job *will* try to kill you at some point).
If you are still considering doing T-ALT, I would commit to buying at least THREE (possibly four) copies, price permitting, especially if it was based around the 280 counter "three teams" design I did, which had the fully ammo equipped blue, green and red teams on.
According to the company weblog, you've been working on something Tourney related recently. Tweaked my curiosity!...
| By Stephen G. Parry (Mutant) on Wednesday, June 18, 2025 - 08:29 pm: Edit |
P.S. I raised the suggestion of an update to TR earlier (TR 2025?), which you were quite positive about. Any further thoughts / progress on that please?
| By Stephen G. Parry (Mutant) on Wednesday, June 18, 2025 - 08:47 pm: Edit |
P.P.S. Sorry SVC, three posts all together.
I am sure I've asked this already, but here goes - the current Module T sheet on the store shows the 216 sheet in the picture but description says 280. Have you already redesigned and printed the Module T sheets as 280 or is the description wrong please? Just put another order through Leisure Games for more of the new counter sheets, and I would hate to miss the new tourney sheets if you've done them.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, June 18, 2025 - 09:29 pm: Edit |
I honestly don’t remember. I have slept since them. But i dont think we reprinted T as we have hundreds in stock. I think we had discussed adding a special update sheet to a future short run batch but we haven’t had one. There is very little interest in it.
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