Here is the topic to discuss an Omega Tournament

By Peter D Bakija (Bakija) on Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 08:31 pm: Edit

So there was discussion of setting up an Omega Playtest ship tournament--Barry Kirk is theoretically in charge, but I told him I'd help organize things. I'm not sure what the proposed format--maybe a single elimination deal, or maybe a round robin kind of game. I'm also not sure which Omega TCs are up on SFBOL yet. But in any case, who is interested in such an event--primarly just for grins, but also to possibly generate some playtest info on the various Omega TCs.

By Scott Moellmer (Goofy) on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 08:16 am: Edit

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I'm always interested in Omega...

By Peter D Bakija (Bakija) on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 08:49 am: Edit

Ok! That's 3! (assuming me, Barry, and Scott). I figure if we get at least 10 people interested, we got something. Do we want to do a single elim structure, or a round robin deal? If we do a round robin deal, we could just come up with a situation where everyone plays, like, 3 preliminary games over X weeks, take the top 4 and make a 4/2 bracket for victory? Opinions?

The main plan here is just to get to play with the wacky ships, so I think single elim from the get go is going to be counter productive. And also harder to do as we need exactly the right number.

So people who are interested, throw in here. And hopefully, Barry will show up and post a list of Omega TCs that are on SFBOL by now. It is important to realize that the Omega TCs are likely wonky, balance wise, so it is possible to sit down with a ship and discover it is wildly underpowered or something. But I figure that is half the comedy :-)

By Jeremy Gray (Gray) on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 09:11 am: Edit

Yeah, I'm game. I'm not a huge Omega player, but I'm up for a change of pace right now. And somebody has got to find Mr. Omega...Gary Carney! I'd imagine he'ld be very interested in this.

As for format, I'd prefer some sort of round robin gig. We did that years ago in Flying Dueces and it worked pretty well.

By Peter D Bakija (Bakija) on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 09:49 am: Edit

Yeah, I don't even know the rules to most of the Omega ships, so I suspect we are all in the same boat.

By Marcus J. Giegerich (Marcusg) on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 10:01 am: Edit

Barry, Brook, Chris, and I where all discussing this on the ride home from Council last night. I may have talked Barry into doing a Swiss style tournament a-la the RUT tourney so every player can get at least 3 games in and lots of play testing can be had.

By Andy Vancil (Andy) on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 11:29 am: Edit

I'd be up for doing this.

By George Duffy (Sentinal) on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 06:36 pm: Edit

I definitly be up for a Omega tournament. First, I have to have my RL issues settle down a bit (i.e. alot). Probably could do it within a month, or by Thanksgiving.

By Andrew J. Koch (Droid) on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 07:38 pm: Edit

Round robin or Swiss would result in more overall games and more information to be decisively acted upon.

By Benoit Rheaume (Bneus) on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 02:25 am: Edit

I'm interested, could we have a quick list, of Omega CA or CW that would be used.
Im guessing also that no ECM will be used so any systems that affect ECM would be nullified or changed?

By Peter D Bakija (Bakija) on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 07:50 am: Edit

I'm sure all important info will be posted at some point. Barry? Post some important info?

By Robert Grey (Tugger) on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 01:46 pm: Edit

I will fly.

By Peter D Bakija (Bakija) on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 09:17 pm: Edit

So I just checked SFBOL to see what SSDs were there, and was saddened to notice a complete lack of an Alunda TC. Anyone have one kicking around?

By John Smith (Johnsmith) on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 01:16 am: Edit

Depending on when it started, I'd be willing to try. I'm having trouble scheduling games I'm already commited to currently, tho, so if it starts soon I'll have to say no.

By Peter D Bakija (Bakija) on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 08:12 am: Edit

Barry! Post information!

By Peter Thoenen (Eol) on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 01:53 pm: Edit

I will fly. What I DON'T want to see is discrimination. If we are doing this on a CA/CW level than any race CA/CW (or equiv) should be allowed that is in Omega.

On the other hand, if we are using Barry's Omega TC and playtesting them, I am ok by that.

By Peter D Bakija (Bakija) on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 03:57 pm: Edit

I'm pretty sure the theory is that we are using the Omega TC's that Barry is tweaking. Barry?

By David Cheng (Davec) on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 06:52 pm: Edit

The SWA loved meeting Barry this past weekend, so we will offer a free entry to next year's Council of Five Nations to the winner of this tournament.

-DC

By Barry Kirk (Barrykirk) on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 08:42 pm: Edit

I'm here.... Sorry it took so long to post... Can't get to this BBS from work... It's access denied, and I've been busy at home.

Here is a link to a preliminary document I've created for the Omega/LMC/Alpha tourney...

http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AfB8N-Hr7tCIZGhka214OThfNmdydDg5Nmpt&hl=en


I just realized that I forgot to add the Vudar and the Jindarian... Well they are in too...

I'll update the document wth them.

Please let me know if you want anything changed...

I'll check back here as often as possible, but the best way to reach me is via email.

I'm at baldnforty@gmail.com

By Barry Kirk (Barrykirk) on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 09:24 pm: Edit

Correct,

We are using the Omega TC's that I'm tweaking. I'm basing these on a set of TC's that I was given a couple of years ago. I think Ken Burnside created them.

I've tweaked some of them, and I know that others need tweaked.

I have a couple of tweaks that I'll post before the tourney starts.

1) Probr gains 2 PQ-2
2) Maesron is required to take 17 of it's missiles as type 1s.
3) Trobrin, is upgrading the light implosion torp to a heavy and the two medium implosion torps
will be going to lights.

The reason for this modification is as follows. The one heavy and two lights provides the same implosion torp firepower at point blank, 64 points of damage total. Which as far as plasma is concerned is a bit light. What is gained by that setup is that the launcher and strength of an implosion torp is hidden until the torp is labbed.

With a large difference in strength between the heavy and the light torp, the light torps almost provide the function of a pseudo torp for the heavy. Except that these are pseudo torps that actually do damage.

As for the Alunda. There have been requests for that and the Souldra. I'm not sure what the client support for them is. But, if Paul were to add client support for them, I could do a TC for both of them and get them in the tourney.

By Barry Kirk (Barrykirk) on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 10:01 pm: Edit

As for the ECM point above. Sadly, the Vudor, got nerfed because their Ion Pulse Generator doesn't generate ECM.

That came from the two Steve's so I'm not going to override it.

We do have some EW in the tourney game in the form of WW. So, since we have two conflicting examples of EW, I'm going with the concept of no powered EW for all of the other races, but devices which generate EW will work normally.

If that isn't done, the Chlorophon's would be hard pressed and a lot of other stuff won't make sense.

Therefore, the Chlorophon, would get the ECM benefits of their subspace coagulators. The Alunda would get the ECM from their Plasma Cloud Generators. The Souldra would get the ECM during phase out when activating their dimensional phase devices. The Drex are a special case.

Last weekend, several games were played with the Drex. It was determined that giving them the built in 3 ECCM for their supercomputer with it's -1 shift for all weapons is too much.

So, for Drex, they get the 3 ECCM, but only for their heavy weapons.

Is this OK with everyone?

By Peter Thoenen (Eol) on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 04:08 am: Edit

Barry:

Peladine TC can be found here: http://www.jessilaurn.com/tca.gif (Granted no .def for SFBOL but the ship is made and client supports)

By Peter D Bakija (Bakija) on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 07:58 am: Edit

Barry,

I'll point out here what I sent in e-mail to see what other folks think. I'm all for this event, but I suspect that asking folks to play 15 games, even in 6 months, is unlikely to pay off--most folks seem to have trouble playing one game in the span of 6 weeks, let alone, like, five. And on a conceptual level, most folks tend to want to play 1 ship in a given event, rather than 5+.

I'd suggest scaling back a bunch--limit the ships in the event (i.e. say, just go with the Omega ships, or the Omega and the Magelanic), have people pick one ship, and have them play 3 or so games as the preliminary round and make a single elim tree after that. If such a moderately scaled event works, and you want more data, have another one when the first is over.

-Peter

By Peter D Bakija (Bakija) on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 08:01 am: Edit

Barry wrote:
>>As for the Alunda. There have been requests for that and the Souldra. I'm not sure what the client support for them is. But, if Paul were to add client support for them, I could do a TC for both of them and get them in the tourney.>>

I know there is an old Alunda TC (probably also made by Burnside) from years back I have a copy of. I suspect that their big issue in the tournament environment is that they rely on ECM from the PCG (although it is a limited kind of relying on...) and they can't HET off reserve power. Which is problematic, but probably not so much that they are unplayable.