Rather than removing the -1 to hit with the drex because that is one of their native rules... What systems would you suggest I remove to make the ship more balanced?

Also, it may be that the Chlorophon is just weak.

Maybe a Drex versus Wyn GBS matchup

and a Chlorophon versus Wyn GBS

so that we have a control standard that we can use for those two ships.

By Peter Thoenen (Eol) on Monday, October 19, 2009 - 03:05 am: Edit

Peter: Except that is their racial flavor and they work just fine in Omega (they didn't conquer the galaxy); you just have to learn new tactics v. them.

(Yes I hate when folk rewrite BASIC racial specific rules .. like the Andro range 6 disdev OR non-working Vudar IPG; yet I also have the gut feeling if we were introducing SFB tourney today these same fights would be had v tholian web or romulan cloak (they are too imbalance, affect the dice, etc etc)

By Peter D Bakija (Bakija) on Monday, October 19, 2009 - 09:22 am: Edit

Peter wrote:
>>Peter: Except that is their racial flavor and they work just fine in Omega (they didn't conquer the galaxy); you just have to learn new tactics v. them.>>

Assuming you are talking about the Drex, they didn't conquer the galaxy 'cause that is how the fictional history is written. In tournament play, however, I suspect that the -1 die rolling when there isn't other generated ECM to balance it out, is too much.

By Peter D Bakija (Bakija) on Monday, October 19, 2009 - 09:30 am: Edit

Barry wrote:
>>Rather than removing the -1 to hit with the drex because that is one of their native rules... What systems would you suggest I remove to make the ship more balanced? >>

Hmm. Need to try it out more. As it stands, the ship does, like, 40-50 damage at range 12 with very limited chance of missing; 4-6 phasers that are good at long range, 4 HCL, 1HCH on the front centerline does about 30. Turn/HET and get an enveloping HCH and you are doing another 24. At range 12 with 1-5s to hit. It is fairly brutalizing. If you are going to keep the -1 shift, they are probably going to need considerably fewer guns.

>>Also, it may be that the Chlorophon is just weak.>>

Also a possibility. The EH's seem pretty potent, but there are only 3 with weird arcs. The LS/RS QP1s are very good at long range (relative to other phasers--they still only do, like, slightly more than 1 point average) but really poor at close range. So you need to be fighting at long range to be not getting killed, and the EHs only have a 1-3 to hit at that point. So you are generally going to be firing 2EHs, hitting with 1, and a volley of QP1s, and then using the SC to try and keep from getting caught. But even then, the tournament map is too small to be able to keep range open that long.

By Peter D Bakija (Bakija) on Monday, October 19, 2009 - 04:08 pm: Edit

Moved ship discussion to tournament zone>omega and other ships.

By Andy Vancil (Andy) on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 01:12 am: Edit

deleted by author. I claim client ignorance

By Barry Kirk (Barrykirk) on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 09:48 am: Edit

Added Rev 5. to the Tournament guidelines...

Signup deadline is Monday November 9th... On the 10th, I'll go through and assign the matchups.

Here is the link again to the guidelines.

http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AfB8N-Hr7tCIZGhka214OThfNmdydDg5Nmpt&hl=en

By Peter Thoenen (Eol) on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 11:54 am: Edit

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I know that Steve Petrick made the decision that the Vudar does not get any ECM for it's IPG and I know why he made that decision.

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By Peter D Bakija (Bakija) on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 02:42 pm: Edit

I'm in for:

Alpha: Gorn
Playtest: Chlorophon (unless there is an Alunda, but I don't think there is. If there is an Alunda, I'll take that instead.)

By Barry Kirk (Barrykirk) on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 06:31 pm: Edit

Alunda will be in for next OLT..

I'd like to add one or two additional ships for each successive OLT.

I think the next one will only have the Alunda.

People have been asking about the Souldra, and I will make one up, but I don't think it will be ready for the next OLT, or even the one after that.

By Barry Kirk (Barrykirk) on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 06:33 pm: Edit

List of people so far.

EOL : Lyran, Trobrin
Bakija: Gorn, Chlorophon
BaldnForty: Klingon, Eneen

By Scott Moellmer (Goofy) on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 08:23 am: Edit

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Barry, you know I'm in, Alpha-Ryn Secondary- Maghadim

By Peter D Bakija (Bakija) on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 09:03 am: Edit

Scott--I don't think Ryn counts as "Alpha" in this context...

By Robert Grey (Tugger) on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 01:29 pm: Edit

If with
Alpha : WBS (BB)
PlayTest : Drex

By Marcus J. Giegerich (Marcusg) on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 02:03 pm: Edit

I'm in
Alpha: Brook's Fast Fed. If not availible, I'll stick with the classic Fed TCC
Playtest: Vari

I'd be willing to switch the playtest ship over to another one if the judge feels that we'd need more data on a different ship.

By Peter Thoenen (Eol) on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 03:23 pm: Edit

I think when he said "alpha" he meant "existing approved tourney ships".

By Scott Moellmer (Goofy) on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 03:46 pm: Edit

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I meant Alpha as in first choice. If must use
Alpha Octant stuff, color me Hydran.

By Benoit Rheaume (Bneus) on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 06:55 pm: Edit

OK
Alpha Fed + G-unit
Playtest Souldra ( I weeeell suck your blooood!)

By Andy Vancil (Andy) on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 07:09 pm: Edit

Alpha: Kzinti
Playtest: Koligahr

By Peter Thoenen (Eol) on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 07:18 pm: Edit

Benoit: Fed+G != Alpha, Souldra not allowed .. read back the tourney directions

By Andy Vancil (Andy) on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 10:59 pm: Edit

Barry, on your tournament rules list, you should add the following to the EW rules:

8. Fighters (and PFs if any are used) do not get their built-in EW.

And on the allowed EW:
5. Small target modifiers still apply.

By Andy Vancil (Andy) on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 11:00 pm: Edit

Also, I have decided that I do not wish to enter twice. Put me down as just the Koligahr, unless you end up short on regular tourney ships, in which case I'll be happy to fly the Kzinti.

By Peter Thoenen (Eol) on Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 04:29 am: Edit

Wasn't sure entering with just one ship was optional. I thought it was one alpha and one playtest where entering a second time meant 2 alpha and 2 playtest (basically one entry is a set of two ships).

If we can just run with one ship and one ship alone then ja just put me down for Trobin and drop me out the Lyran.

By Peter D Bakija (Bakija) on Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 09:26 am: Edit

>>Revision 5 Updated 10/24/2009 In order to guarantee that all games are alpha versus playtest. I'm going to require that everyone entering pick two ships. One of them is an alpha non playtest ship. The other one is a playtest ship, note that the Andromedan is a playtest ship for this tournament. >>

By Andy Vancil (Andy) on Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 11:41 am: Edit

OK, so are we basically requiring everyone to get in two games every three weeks? I.e., everyone is entered twice, once with each ship? Or, are we doing some kind of alternation? Other than the revision note, I don't see any explanation of how that will work.

There's no way I can get two games in every three weeks.