Is there any chance of additional material? I have ONE Magellinic module. Are there others? Coming?

For that matter what about additional Traingulam material?

Mike

By Mike Strain (Evilmike) on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 08:58 pm: Edit

IIRC, C5 didn't sell all that well.

That, and the lack of chanting hordes gathered around the ADB compound demanding more Magellenic stuff, is probably why the only place you'll ever see more LMC material is in CapLog......

By A. David Merritt (Adm) on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 01:09 am: Edit

Well that just blows, I liked C5 quite a bit.

adm

By Ken Burnside (Ken_Burnside) on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 02:08 am: Edit

Mike, my royalty statements for C5 shows that it's a good steady seller. I've made far more money off of it than I was led to expect.

That being said, for the amount of development time needed to make C5R, at least three Fed Commander products can be made, and they WILL provide a better return on investment.

That isn't to say that there will never be a C5R, or that Fed Commander is keeping it from happening, but that there are many projects that ADB can work on. C5R may come about in the goodness of time.

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 12:36 pm: Edit

R13 is fine and dandy but I'm really looking forward to a couple other long awaited modules before there is an expansion to one that is fairly recent, like X1R and Y2 (not a big fan of the Y series but I acknowledge it's place in the developement line and its fan base).

I am for anything post GW historical developement. I suppose that a C5Y module could be done but before further developement of the history I think that perhaps some of the post GW Alpha history needs to be hashed out. I'm I wrong?

By Steven Pow (Asmoridin) on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 08:00 pm: Edit

I would love to see more Magellanic modules, I think the races added are very nifty. Seeing some of the other races mentioned (Chomak and Yrol I believe?)developed would just make the area all the better!

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 08:36 pm: Edit

I haven't yet really dug deep into Module C5 (I do have it) but one thing that seemed to be missing was an indepth view of the Alpha and Megelanic interaction.

When the Andro War period get hashed out for the Alpha Octant I think it might be a good time to also work out more of the details during the Operation Unity period in the LMC in an accompanying module.

By Joseph R Carlson (Jrc) on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 02:28 pm: Edit

This is a link to an interesting depiction of the Magellanic clouds and the Magellanic stream trailing behind toward the MWG.

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap980826.html

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Monday, December 24, 2007 - 10:59 pm: Edit

I get the feeling that the Magellanic details for the Andromedan War in the period leading up to Operation Unity can't be hashed out as thoroughly as in, say, Omega (where the Sixth Cycle has been in-depth, and in-print, for years, and the subsequent Seventh Cycle detailed in the Omega MRB) until the time comes for the Andro War in the Alpha Octant to be hashed out properly (in other words, when F&E Andro War gets done).

The Omega side of the Andromedan invasion was fairly self-contained, in that they never got up to the Cloud the way the Alphas did. The best any Omega power did was the Iridani, who freed their own home cluster in the Grand Quest - and the important point was that it was their own home cluster!

And it seems that the Andros made fairly steady progress against the Omega powers - and were helped by the Loriyill going off to kick the crap out of the Souldra instead of facing them directly.

All that would need to be detailed in F&E is a portion of the Andro budget which is assumed to be going towards the assault on the Omega Octant, and leave it at that (since once the last two Desecrators are popped, the Omega-Andros were cut off anyway).


However, the LMC can't be done in such a way, because of Operation Unity.

Until we know how many Andro ships were going back and forth to the Cloud, what kind of ebb the Andros faced in the late Y190s, or what kind of forces they had to have in the Cloud to defend against both the Unity task forces and the resurgent Magellanic exiles (enough to put up a struggle, but not enough to stop the allies from popping the two Desecrators) there can't be a lot more said about the Magellanic holdouts than has been done already.


Which is unfortunate, because I really would like to see a timeline leading up to Y225 for the Cloud (Omega has a published history up to Y221, and even has the time to include first-contacts with more distant regions of the SFU via wormhole) - but c'est la vie.

By Stacy Brian Bartley (Bartley) on Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 08:42 pm: Edit

Realize I'm coming in late of this discussion. But from I saw it was a GOOD thing the Loriyill went off to pound on the Souldra.

I suspected they realized they could come back and kick the crap out of the Andromedans AFTER the Souldra wheras if they didn't nip the Souldra in the bud they might NEVER be contained.

regards
Stacy

By Ken Burnside (Ken_Burnside) on Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 11:09 pm: Edit

Gary, I left Cloud history undefined after Y202 to leave the Steves plenty of room to go in with the LMC...and to not tie their hands in other ways.

By Stacy Brian Bartley (Bartley) on Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 11:30 pm: Edit

Ken
It's hard to tie the Steve's hand in any manner if they choose not to have them so;)
regards
Stacy

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Monday, February 04, 2008 - 01:30 pm: Edit

Stacy:


That would have been logical, were it not for the fact that once the Loriyill finished off the Souldra threat, they pulled back to the Homestars (and the Splinter Collective enclave carved out of former Bolosco space) and refused to engage Andromedan ships - not even joining in when the Andros were on the ropes after Y202 in Omega... well, so far as we know, at least.


Of course, pounding the Souldra was A Good Thing, no doubt - but from the perspective of the hard-pressed Omega factions, their refusal to follow up with aid against the Andros was somewhat noticeable...

...as, for that matter, was the question of why it was that the Andros didn't seem to launch invasions of their own into the Homestars or the Splinter Collective.

By Stacy Brian Bartley (Bartley) on Monday, February 04, 2008 - 01:42 pm: Edit

Gary
I think your points are well made and raises the question of what may be "unrevealed history"-which has always been a rich avenue of growth in SFB
regards
Stacy

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Monday, February 04, 2008 - 02:17 pm: Edit

Well, my interest in 'unrevealed history' seems to end up in parts of the universe which are more awkward to see put in print than others...

...sigh.

By Stacy Brian Bartley (Bartley) on Monday, February 04, 2008 - 04:14 pm: Edit

Gary
Once upon a time I was the Tholian JCF so I know how you feel

Once we get to the Xork invasion a lot of this stuff will have the be addressed as the galaxy will be unified in a manner it's never needed to be before (IMHO).
regards
Stacy

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 06:29 pm: Edit

Stacy Brian Bartley:

Gary Carney tries very hard to be creative. He was the first person I am aware of who proposed the idea of Paravian Refugees fleeing across ISC space as a means of having (to paraphrase) "more excitment" in that area. You can probably imagine how much discussion that generated here. It was a good idea, but it ran afoul of that underlying tenant of ISC history: Warp Equals Peace. There is just literally no way to have the ISC encounter another race that is armed to the teeth and engages in combat in deep space with other races and not violate that doctrine.

We really liked the idea, but there was absolutely no way to incorporate it into the ISC background. Even though we have a scenario that allows for an Iridani visit to the Alpha Octant, that HAD to bypass ISC space (not find the ISC part of the Galactic Barrier passable) because the Iridani are themselves far to military (you get into Iridani quests to defeat an ISC ship in combat).

Gary is pushing the idea of the Souldra making incursions and being seen as a "monster", and not a race by the ISC (we are not too sure about that one . . . but maybe, at least we have not definitively ruled it out completely). One of the problems with that is fathoming the Souldra themselves, i.e., why would they not go into the Alpha Octant instead of the Omega Octant? (No butterflies to intefere, more time to gather strength for a later clash with the Loriyill.) There are two sides to the question as you can see, i.e., it is not just would the ISC see them as monsters, it is what the Souldra view of the ISC as a potential happy hunting ground would be.

Gary also did (on his own) a "Magellanic Module" for Federation Commander. The first time he submitted it there was a "misunderstanding". (On my part, the data was not wrong simply presented in a way that without someone telling what I was seeing I saw something "very different (tm)".) When that got straightened out, Gary sent it again and there are some problems with the first rule (Magellanic Shielding crossed over to Federation Commander), and I would really like Gary to try to fix that and resubmit (I did send him a list). It was a good first effort and I would like him to carry it through. I am sure that there are some players that would like a Fed Commander version of the Magellanics.

By Stacy Brian Bartley (Bartley) on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 06:41 pm: Edit

SPP
Thanks for the run down on Gary's career. My hats off to him. Reminds me of the days when I was inundating SVC with a bundle of hand typed pages every other week or so.

On incursions of the Souldra into Alpha...may I suggest that some limited incursions may have taken place and they were either destroyed without anyone finding out who they were (or destroyed whoever they were fighting)-much like the unrecognized incursions of the Xork prior to the invasion.

Why would I lobby for this? Well SPP I think an assault by the Souldra on a Tholian wedding cake would be VERY interesting. I have some ideas how to defend against that...

Keep up the good work Gary!

regards
Stacy

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 09:22 am: Edit

Well, in the case of the Souldra, it could be argued that from their perspective, the gateway to Alpha is blocked by a very large (and unified) superpower, that by the mid Y180s had the largest armed force of any Alpha or Omega faction, and would have served as a major stumbling block for a Souldra assault on Alpha...

...but more personally for the Souldra, they seem to have a particular animosity against the Loriyill - not least because it was the latter who led to their defeat the last time the Souldra had a go at the galaxy.

Note that in Omega itself, they made a point to overwhelm the Loriyill picket surrounding the Singer enclave and destroy the Singer home world - the one race which had been favoured by the Loriyill in recent Omega history.

Like the Tholian-Seltorian hatred, there is quite possibly a degree of vengeance within the Souldra consciousness which compelled them to go for Omega first - the kind of hate which drove the Seltorians to send massive Tribunal fleets to far-flung galaxies to kill every last Tholian they could find.

Plus, the Souldra didn't just strike from the Void - although the Black Sun was in the midst of the Void itself. They also invaded Omega from the Wasteland (where they launched devastating strikes against the Worb) and beyond the rim of the galaxy proper (from where they pushed deep into Alunda space) and were thus able to hit Omega from three sides at once - and on each of those three sides, they faced powers more divided, exhausted and weak than they would had they tried to assault the ISC directly. There are no major Wasteland-like areas in Alpha, Beta or Gamma Sector (though who knows what there is out in Delta Sector?) and it would appear that the Souldra had no major strongholds beyond the Galactic rim at the Alpha Octant.

So while I'd imagine that the Souldra would have sent several probes into the ISC (as they were recorded as sending as far as Maghadim space up in the Cloud, decades earlier) and might have been brave enough to send a squadron into the Distant Zone in the midst of the Andromedan War, they would have waited until they were done with Omega before they threw their full might at Alpha.


As far as the Iridani go, I had included a few long-range missions to the ISC post-Y160 (after the warp=peace thing had been proven wrong by the Gorns and Romulans) but I had argued that the small size of, and relative distance to, the Iridani Cluster, the lack of aggression on the part of the Iridani (not all of their Quests involve combat - at least, not combat with local space navies - so the Quest to Alpha might well have been about establishing relations; indeed, the Iridani sign agreements with various Omega governments to allow for the operation of Iridani supply points for Questing ships coming from the Cluster) and perhaps even a good turn done by an Iridani ship in the DZ (I had postulated a rescue of a beleaguered ISC colony from a Space Dragon's depradations by the actions of a fearless Iridani captain and his crew - which would have won the favour of the locals, to say the least) would be enough to prevent the ISC from feeling threatened enough to pull fleets away from the Romulan and Gorn borders to deploy into the Distant Zone.


That said, I do think that while it is one thing to keep the DZ relatively lightly defended during the General War and the PAcification, it is quite another to do so during the Andromedan War - when the ISC had to concentrate on defending as much of its territory as it could, against a foe capable of using the RTN to ruthless effect within its home space.

So I would like to see the likes of the Souldra being given a slightly more dangerous role in ISC space after Y190, when the Concordium might well have to send fleets into the DZ anyway.

Not least because I would love to see an excuse to see a Spectre CA added into War and Peace as a 'monster' for the Concordium to deal with! (And if the Andros are added to that module as well, we would technically have the first Omega-Octant battles in print for FC, as the Andros and Souldra fought each other in the Y190s there...)

And if the Iridani can't be in the ISC space before Y190, they could well have ships show up in the Y190s or Y200s - indeed, they could well have made a renewed effort in the years after re-claiming Iridia to send Quests into the wider galaxy, looking for where the Andros might be found (and given the size of the Crusade fleets sent to Omega - such as the one which rescued the FRA from extinction in Y200 - they seem to have been able to re-establish enough of an industrial base to allow for such explorations).


As far as that Magellanic module goes, the problem is that while I was able to bring C5 back with me to Ireland, I had to leave my FC books in Canada, and I won't be back to Toronto before May or so (it's up in the sir when exactly I'd be going back) and my FC 'mind' isn't as sharp as it was when I was first trying to write that module - but eventually, I will try to get back to it.

By Jim Cummins (Jimcummins) on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 10:12 am: Edit

Hey the Souldra could have rampaged through the galactic edge of the alpha quadrant during the old king’s times, and destroyed all sentient species in Romulan space. Then run into the old king’s empire and then been pushed back into the void, perhaps with the help of the Lizards kings. If they received a devastating defeat at the hands of a unified enemy it could be that they preferred not to rouse that lion again, until the Loriyill were defeated. Or the few raids into ISC space, all ending with the result of the ISC destroying the Souldra “monsters”. Afterwards the Souldra assumed their old enemies were waiting for them in the alpha quadrant.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Friday, July 04, 2008 - 01:55 pm: Edit

I've been on a bit of a thing, regarding ideas for future Magellanic development - the ideas in question (all of which are primarily focssed on the post-Unity era) are linked to below:

*Eneen Carrier Groups - expanding on the potential need/opportunity for the Eneen to push fighter use further in the reconstruction era.

*Baduvai PFTs - a similar idea, but for the re-formed Imperium.

*Jumokian League Attrition units - postulating an effort to build attrition units by a proposed post-Unity Jumokian League.

*Seltorian Resurgence - a pre-existing thread, to which I added the suggestion of having a Nest Ship show up over Sleern in the mid-Y200s.

*Quest for the Cloud! - introducing the Iridani as a minor post-Unity faction.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Friday, July 04, 2008 - 03:04 pm: Edit

Oh yeah, and this too:

*Baduvai Workboats - akin to the workboats seen in R11.

By Joseph R Carlson (Jrc) on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 07:39 pm: Edit

I was reading about the Devastator in Module R5. I came across this: "After the galactic Forces destroyed the Andromedan starbase (Desecrator), they explored both of the Magellanic Clouds searching for other Andromedan forces and bases.

Nothing in the text says what the Galactic forces found. The Galactic empires cross the Magellanic bridge into the Greater Magellanic Cloud. Since this is the year of the book this would make an interesting book. An updated (U7.2) "Special Technology" could be include and cover Magellanic empires and Galactic empires specifically (U7.28). The point would be to create additional SFU history, scenarios, a mini campaign, which do not need counters and tie ins to additional future products.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Tuesday, June 02, 2009 - 09:46 pm: Edit

There's a point which had been argues over back in the day over the kind of EPs that the Chomak Community - the long-standing pocket empire which called a star cluster separate from the main bulk of the Cloud proper home - would have had to rely upon.


An earlier concept, which had been intended by the Chomak's designer, was not considered not viable - but without that option, the extra EPs that could be produced within Chomak space (that is not so large otherwise) intended to fit the vision intended for them might need another option.


So, could it be that the Chomak capital hex (as indicated on the LMC map which triggered the original controversy, but is still a good map to work with) could house a multi-system capital complex, akin to those in certain hexes within the Alpha Octant?


(Enough major and minor planets could be added to said complex to suit the Chomak's needs - plus having a capital complex in the first place could be a key point of distinction for the Chomak from their fellows in the Cloud.)


As an aside, that's an idea I'd like to offer for consideration for the Iridani, too - to show how they can build so much out of their own small Cluster.

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 10:42 am: Edit

Gary Carney:

At this point in time, figuring out the economy of the Magellanic Cloud (which includes the Chomak) is not something that needs to be done. If we ever get around to the idea of developing a Federation & Empire supplement for the Cloud, we will need to make such decisions then. For now, the biggest thing about the Chomak Community (and Yrol Septs for that matter) is to develop their technology and ships, and make it consistent with what has been published in Module C5.