| By Xander Fulton (Dderidex) on Thursday, July 09, 2026 - 11:18 am: Edit |
What, exactly, is the 'base cost' of a small and large freighter, without pods?
Reasons I ask - BPV of an F-S (which includes the standard cargo pod on its SSD) is 26/12.
BPV of an F-L (which includes two standard cargo pods on its SSD) is 61/18.
The "Civilian Cargo Pod" in Module R1 is listed at 14/10 BPV. (And noted as 'a small freighter is this pod with engines and command section attached', etc) That's...a problem, though?
It means the F-S is 12/2 BPV without it's pod...weird, but not unreasonable...but the F-L is 33/-2 BPV without its two pods? Negative 2 BPV? Hrm.
How to make sense of this?
| By Mike West (Mjwest) on Thursday, July 09, 2026 - 11:58 am: Edit |
Isn't there an SSD of the two freighters "in ballast" somewhere? If so, that should outright answer the question. If not, check the tug versions. They should help give a guideline.
| By Xander Fulton (Dderidex) on Thursday, July 09, 2026 - 12:18 pm: Edit |
Quote:Isn't there an SSD of the two freighters "in ballast" somewhere? If so, that should outright answer the question.
Quote:If not, check the tug versions. They should help give a guideline.
| By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Thursday, July 09, 2026 - 01:56 pm: Edit |
Freighters in ballast mode was done in the "Star Fleet Times" newsletter.
| By Xander Fulton (Dderidex) on Thursday, July 09, 2026 - 02:05 pm: Edit |
Quote:Freighters in ballast mode was done in the "Star Fleet Times" newsletter.
| By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Thursday, July 09, 2026 - 02:15 pm: Edit |
Garth Getgen:
Hospital facilities INSIDE bases (included in the design when built) are obviously present. The question is "quarantine" as raised by at least one poster. But, quarantine is a concern for preventing "lab leaks" (Biological agents generally) not for outbreaks on a planetary surface. In this latter case you are more concerned with the spread of the disease through the populace ON the planet and not letting it OFF the planet. You might quarantine a planet (or a continent, or an island, or what-have-you, but the medical facilities that are generally dealing with it or on the planet, not in a specially built deep space hospital that is perhaps four or five sectors away from the planet with the outbreak. Note that the distance of such a facility matters as transporting patients to it would involve a percentage of the patients succumbing to the disease en route. There is no sense to building such large dedicated medical structures in space simply because the time to get the patients to them (from adjacent planetary systems) is excessive and would tie up far too many ships. Better to have such facilities in situ to take care of those in need.
| By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Thursday, July 09, 2026 - 02:32 pm: Edit |
Garth Getgen asked: How much time? Let's assume you have all the components in the system, with a tug or two. You see the enemy fleet approaching from several hundred light-years away, so you know you need extra defenses quickly. How much advanced warning do you reasonably need to throw the thing together?? A few hours? A day? More??
REPLY: Essentially, if you can see the enemy coming (even on long range scanners) they are already too close to set up a base of any kind (including ground bases phasers, much less orbital/deep space MBs). Bases, even MBs, can be established where you THINK the enemy might come (for whatever reason, such as a capital planet or a valuable shipyard what-have-you) months in advance.
| By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Thursday, July 09, 2026 - 02:34 pm: Edit |
A David Merritt ASKED: Perhaps a OAL would be a better mobile hospital.
REPLY: Again, I am not sure what is gained over the existing hospital freighter besides engines?
A David Merritt ASKED: As far as a mobile base is concerned, I would think it would be more economical to send an LTT and a convoy of military engined freighters carrying all the parts for the LTT to assemble, send it in one go. Have a trained and formal group assigned to this would be a good idea for efficiency, and likely be small in number, 1-3 depending on Empire.
REPLY: Sounds like you are trying to define the Engineers of Federation & Empire. Note that freighters with military engines are still slower than a fleet tug or LTT carrying a (mobile base) pod. Having such formal groups standing around doing nothing waiting for the call to build something while otherwise sitting on the parts to build is a poor use of resources and that makes it inefficient.
A David Merritt SAID:Tholians, LDR, Orions, Jindarians, and Andros need not apply for these.
REPLY: Noted.
| By A David Merritt (Adm) on Thursday, July 09, 2026 - 03:10 pm: Edit |
By Steve Petrick (Petrick)
Quote:REPLY: Sounds like you are trying to define the Engineers of Federation & Empire. Note that freighters with military engines are still slower than a fleet tug or LTT carrying a (mobile base) pod. Having such formal groups standing around doing nothing waiting for the call to build something while otherwise sitting on the parts to build is a poor use of resources and that makes it inefficient.
| By Jessica Orsini (Jessica_Orsini) on Thursday, July 09, 2026 - 07:48 pm: Edit |
For the record: I have zero desire to be part of the crew of the U.S.N.S. Plum Island.
| By Mike West (Mjwest) on Friday, July 10, 2026 - 09:50 am: Edit |
New question: what is the abbreviation for the Vudar Electron fighter? I can't find it anywhere, and I have absolutely no idea where my copies of the counters are.
Thanks in advance!
| By Xander Fulton (Dderidex) on Friday, July 10, 2026 - 11:22 am: Edit |
Previous conversation:
Spent some time with a spreadsheet last night, running numbers, and I think the issue is the P-CC pods values.
Obviously working out point values is mostly voodoo, but there is no way I can make any of the freighters or other SSDs that include them "work" with the listed 14/10 point values.
Rather, I think 16/2 comes out closest to what would be needed for the published SSDs to correctly math out. (Assuming sliding combat PV loss due to speed change, this works out to a resulting 31/12 BPV for the F-S...so it's currently slightly under-costed economically, while the F-L comes out to 50/19...making it slightly over-costed economically and under-costed combat PV.)
Close enough, anyway, to take the numbers and run with them to work out the other pod costs. Stay tuned...
| By Xander Fulton (Dderidex) on Friday, July 10, 2026 - 01:09 pm: Edit |
Quote:what is the abbreviation for the Vudar Electron fighter? I can't find it anywhere, and I have absolutely no idea where my copies of the counters are.
| By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Friday, July 10, 2026 - 11:04 pm: Edit |
Mike,
There is no abbreviation for any of the Vudar fighters. See F2, pg 23 & 46.
| By Xander Fulton (Dderidex) on Monday, July 13, 2026 - 01:44 pm: Edit |
Question on (R1.32E) in Module R1.
In Module R8, the Small Hospital Freighter (R1.61) and Large Hospital Freighter (R1.62) both have their crew segmented into types - specifically, the addition of 'Medical Staff' and 'Patient Crew Units'.
The Hospital Module (R1.32E) in Module R1 does not - it just shows 12 crew units. Module R1 was published quite some time, ago - if the Hospital Module were to be updated to the R8 details, what would be the Medical Staff/Patient breakdown?
The ratio on the two freighters seems to be 12 staff per 30 patients (Not divisible! why?!) along with 11 crew units added per pod (crowded!), so...maybe 2 crew, 3 doctors, and 7 patients?
Or...are the 'Medical Staff' and 'Patients' meant to be INCLUDED in the 'Crew Units' count, in the same way Boarding Parties and Deck Crews are, not a distinct thing? (Which would then bring up the question - what is the conversion rate of a Medical Staff or Patient TO a 'Crew Unit'? We know BPs and Deck Crew are 2:1, but that ratio doesn't work, here.) (G9.416) makes me think this isn't the case, though, and Staff and Patients are handled distinctly from 'crew'...
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