By Christopher E. Fant (Cfant) on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 06:54 pm: Edit |
Ya know, if you were to give this thing 2 more P-1s, where #s 3 and 4 are, and then 2 more P3s on the engines, 2 more shuttles..maybe a few other changes.
This would be a sweet X2 design. Brand new. Plasma R in the nose and Ms on the wings.
If you don't mind Jeremy, I'd like to post a varient X2 design of your ship.?
By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 06:57 pm: Edit |
I didn't think I'd ever put the one I did up. It's more of a fun ship than anything else. Still, since I dug it out, here it is.
Romulan Buzzard DNL
Still a bit light on warp power, but fun to play with. Sort of a mix of the condor and war eagle series.
By Jeremy Gray (Gray) on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 07:00 pm: Edit |
Go for it Chris.
By Christopher E. Fant (Cfant) on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 07:15 pm: Edit |
Cool. So, do ya think an X2 Romulan would have about 8 heavy phasers and 4 light phasers? 1 R and 2xM? Or 2xS?
By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 07:29 pm: Edit |
Rom CAX, you mean? I'd say it depends on the "body type". If you're talking about the "mini condor" body, I'd say 6-8 heavy, 4 light. 1 x R torp, 2 x M at 2X. I know that's a bunch of plasma, but it IS 2X, after all. I have a prototype 2X rom "hawk" I made, but never posted. If you want it play with, you're welcome to a copy. Just let me know.
By Christopher E. Fant (Cfant) on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 07:33 pm: Edit |
Hmm....What about 5 plasma Ms ?
By Christopher E. Fant (Cfant) on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 07:39 pm: Edit |
Yeah Mike, send it on.
By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 07:40 pm: Edit |
Yikes! That's a buuuuunch of plasma! It isn't bad if you follow the "bigger" 2X theory. For those favoring the smaller 2X ships, I don't think it'd work out. The 2X ship I made has a Plasma "X" (my own invention...basically, a 60 point plasma with a max range of 50 and a speed of 40) and a pair of L's. I can definately see three on a 2X ME though.
By Christopher E. Fant (Cfant) on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 08:00 pm: Edit |
Well, with this particular design, you can have 5 plasma or 3 plasma.
I'll post it in a second, and we can tear it down from there.
http://shipsofthefleet.w1.com/ships/common/mex.gif
By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 08:13 pm: Edit |
Mean looking, that's for sure. I'd go with 1XR, 2XM, 2XL, if it were me...but that's me. I'd hate to get popped by that thing with no weasels available...
By Christopher E. Fant (Cfant) on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 10:11 pm: Edit |
I think 2xLs would be better. I just have to make them fit.
By Jeff Tonglet (Blackbeard) on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 10:19 pm: Edit |
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By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 11:23 pm: Edit |
I think X2 can finally hold an R-torp.
Another simple change would be to allow EPT/SG to use reserve power. Not sure I like that idea because it makes it easier for players to avoid thinking ahead. Excess reserve power in general makes players lazy.
By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 11:26 pm: Edit |
At least 1xR, 2xM, 2xS. That would be somewhere between BCX and DNLX armament in X1.
CX armament, you'll recall, is 2xM, 2xS
By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 11:33 pm: Edit |
"At least 1xR, 2xM, 2xS"
At 10 range that's 95 bolt damage. Allow an X2 ship negative ECCM shifts and that hits 1-4. What exactly did you say the BPV for that would be? Think smaller guys.
By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 11:43 pm: Edit |
Tos,
How small do you want when X1 plasma cruisers are set where they are?
By Mark James Hugh Norman (Mnorman) on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 03:32 am: Edit |
A Ship with 1xR,2xM would, IIRC, have 10 points less damage than a CX. 1x'X' (Mike Raper's version) and 2xL would also be inferior to the 1X 2xM,2xS
JT: 1xR,2xM,2xS would not be between BCX and a DNLX. It would probably be between a DNLX (most likely 3xM,2xS, but DNLXs are a vary inlikely class considereing the failiure of the original DNL) and a DNX (Probably 2xR,2xM,2xL but could have 2xS instead of 2xL). I personally do not think that the close range damage of a Plasma should be increased, as an X2 ship would probably be wrecked by 2xM,2xS as it is (If it wasn't it would be two big in my mind) but that any new plasma types should have higher damage at medium to long range. I still think that an odd number of plasmas with a large centreline mount is more what I would think of the Romulans though
By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 07:40 am: Edit |
Mark,
That is a good point, however, there's a reason for it. The 1X Rom CX is a ship of war...it has no other real purpose. The 2 first of the 2X ships should be a bit more general purpose in nature, and may very well not be quite as loaded down with heavy weapons. I have two prototype 2X rom CX's I'm working with for my own proposal. 1 is more this type, the other a "late" 2X, with 1xX, 2xM, and 2xL. Much heavier armament, and made as a warship only.
By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 09:45 am: Edit |
"How small do you want"
I want to stop talking about X2 cruisers since those are a post Xork war time invention. I want to talk about peace time X2 frigates and how they should be equiped. I want the BPV of an X2 frigate to be 120 or less. That's a 10% improvement over the SEX(X1) (2L,5P1,20PWR).
I want to do things in historical order and following a historical political framework.
By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 09:48 am: Edit |
Quote:I want to stop talking about X2 cruisers since those are a post Xork invention.
By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 10:05 am: Edit |
Says us. Its been discussed in the timeline topic for weeks and a concensus is forming, but I notice a lack of your postings in this topic so maybe you missed it. If you have strong feelings that the CA(X2) should be the core ship in Y205 then I contend that your active participation in the timeline topic would be the appropriate place to discuss your opinion.
By Mark James Hugh Norman (Mnorman) on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 10:33 am: Edit |
OK. a 2X frigate could just about get away with a single R, or if 2X is seriously upgunned from 1X, 1xM,2xL (although that would probably make a better destroyer)
By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 10:39 am: Edit |
Actually, I have watched it...I just haven't had much to say about it. However, I don't see a real concnensus banning 2X CA/CC sized ships. That, at least, isn't the feeling I'm getting from posts like these from that thread.
Quote:Also, I disagree with the idea of not building any crusiers during any time period.
The Feds build about 5 Crusiers a year during the war. I would see 2 CXs at least being built every year to get the Fleets back up to par and get the exploration going again.
Quote:Maybe instead of calling the Y205 ships FF,DD,CL (no CA), I should have said Y205 has X2 FF,DD,CA and no new-construction BCH, DN or CL.
Quote:A new level of technology is created, but due to the economic and political conditions, production of X2 tech is mostly small ships.
As these ships will be on multi-purpose, long-range patrol missions, nobody sees a need for X2 command ships. If a fleet battle occurs, the X1 CC will be un-mothballed to serve as flagship.
Most races receive:
X2 CA (limited or unique production, 300-325 BPV)
X2 DD or CL (one or both for each race, but not based on a CW)
X2 FF
X2 FF varients
Production levels:
Type X2 X1 XP FF 80% 10% 10% DD 60% 10% 30% CL 60% 10% 30% CA 5% 10% 85%
Quote:Some SC3, MC1 should would be around as flag ships and for the occasional heavy-lifting that as CL couldn't handle, like cleaning out a nest of Jindos or handling the occasional ancient Space Dragon or Arastoz.
Quote:The Y205 CA was limited production and intended to serve as flagship should war break out. Since the X2 CA would already have a 10 command rating, there was no need for a separate CC.
During peacetime, the Y205 CA is the Grand Admiral's Toy. Big, impressive, and quite good at showing the flag.
By Robert Cole (Zathras) on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 11:03 am: Edit |
Romulan Semi-X2 Frigate
This is another design Chris and I came up with (within the last 2 weeks I believe). The design is obviously inspired my the Old series of ships, which I am a big fan of. I even retained armor... just for flavor.
This one has a couple of things:
Regen Shield boxes - Chris has posted rules for these before, but players can use them however they like. (If you want a more SFB ship, replace 'em with Pl-D(x) racks...)
Augmented Phasers - Basically a Phaser-1 / 3 with 50% more damage at 50% more cost. An AP-1 costs 1.5 points of power to fire, with a 3 point cap. AP-1s can downfire as AP-3s, but not as Ph-1/2/3.
Mine Racks - I've always thought Roms are more dangerous if they have something to keep their opponent away while under cloak.
Psuedo Plasma - Instead of adding (yet another) PPT per launcher, I allow these PPTs to simulate any torpedo (except shotgun) the launcher could fire.
Just an idea for an X2-ish Plasma FF.
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By Christopher E. Fant (Cfant) on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 11:23 am: Edit |
As far as I can tell, Tos is the only one that says there will not be a X2-CA until after the Xorks come in. And some of us do not agree with him.
I personlly find this to be nonsense. The CA is the backbone of the fleet. Especially if they will be going to peacetime. There will be CAs on the borders.
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