This is a Poll to help us decide what to try for the first round of Playtesting. (And maybe help end some of the constant debate.)

Please only Answer the Questions. Keep the Commentary in the Appropriate Thread.

1. What BPV should an Fed/Klink XCC have. Keeping in mind a possible 1X BCHX being around 300-325. (The ISC CCX is 315 but the ISC CC is just about a BCH in firepower anyway.)
A. 250-300
B. 300-350
C. 350-400
D. 400+
E. Undecided

2. Should traditionally high BPV races (BP in general) maintain the:
A. Same relative spread on BPV
B. Shrink the relative spread on BPV
C. Undecided

3.What Top Speed should an 2X Ship have? (By any means)
A. 31
B. 32
C. 33-35
D. 36-40
E. Undecided

4. What Speed should Plasma Topedoes have?
A. Normal 32+Sabot
B. 40 with NO Sabot
C. 40 with a faster Sabot(48?)
D. 48 No Sabot
E. Undecided

5. What range should DF Overloads max at?
A. 8
B. 10
C. 12
D. Undecided

6. What should 2X have for EW?
A. 6EW+2ECCM (Same as 1X)
B. 8EW Total
C. 6+2 With limited special sensors
D. 8 with limited special sensors
E. Undecided

7. What should the 2X Shields be like?
A. Unchanged from 1X
B. Slight Improvement (45 front 35 rear)
C. Major Increase (50-55 front 40-45 Rear)
D. Slight Improvement with an additional means of dealing with damage
E. Undecided

8. What should be the basis for the Backbone of the 2X fleet?
A. CA
B. CL
C. CC
D. DW
E. Undecided

9. What should be the Phaser basis for 2X ships.
A. Same Phasers as 1X
B. Reduced number of Improved phasers (PH-V)
C. Same number as 1X but with improved phasers
D. Undecided.

10. What should 2X CC's have for total warp power?(This is total not how it's acheived)
A. 40 (Same as 1X)
B. 45
C. 52
D. 60
E. Undecided

11. Should 2X ships have NEW gee whiz tech.(IE Shifting damage to different shields. Structural Integrity field ect.)
A. No
B. A little
C. Yes
D. Undecided


***Note***
This Poll was meant to be inclusive. Drones in their complexity were deliberately left out to simplify the Poll.

Reminder Please keep Commentary in the appropriate Threads. Leave this one clear to simplify the use of the Poll.

By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 10:38 pm: Edit

Ken,

Don't apologize for spamming us.

DON'T SPAM US.

We can read and see that there's a new topic.

By Ed Crutchfield (Librarian101) on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 10:42 pm: Edit

1. c
2. a
3. a
4. c
5. b
6. b
7. d
8. a
9. c
10. b
11. b

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 10:49 pm: Edit

1.C
2.A
3.B
4.E
5.B
6.E
7.B
8.A
9.A
10.C
11.D

By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 11:07 pm: Edit

1. C - 350-400

2. A - Keep the same spread as absolute numbers, but not as a %tage

3. A - 31 I don't think anything else will play nice with GW-tech.

4. B - Sabot should be standard. Options on an ultra-sabot later but not necessary.

5. A - I'm willing to entertain R10 overloads but my gut-feel is it won't play nice with GW-tech

6. F - 10 EW (note to Ken: X1 is 8EW these days--see CL 23 X-errata)

7. D - slight increast plus fun stuff.

8. A - the CA is the backbone of SFB.

9. C - Room for EX2 ships with less-optimized armament.

10. D - 60 Warp. At the very least, 54, the same %tage increase over X1 as X1 was over GW. Room for less if X2 starts out less optimized for war.

11. C. Yes. I like Gee-wiz tech.

By michael john campbell (Michaelcampbell) on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 11:33 pm: Edit

1. What BPV should an Fed/Klink XCC have. Keeping in mind a possible 1X BCHX being around 300-325. (The ISC CCX is 315 but the ISC CC is just about a BCH in firepower anyway.)	C or D	I don't really mind so long as it's better or the same BPV as the BCHX
2. Should traditionally high BPV races (BP in general) maintain the:	D	Alter by a case by case basis:- the Gorns should for example retain their power ( but few ) ships whilst the ISC shouldn't have the assets to build high BPV ships
3.What Top Speed should an 2X Ship have? (By any means)	C	But B is far more likely going to be it...but it's important to keep the speed below the speed of the GW plasma Sabot i.e. below 40.
4. What Speed should Plasma Topedoes have?	F	32 with a 48 Sabot
5. What range should DF Overloads max at?	A	I'ld like to B & C depending on the race but the X1s and GWs have to play nice and that means finding a way that the X2s will be forced to venture into Overload Range
6. What should 2X have for EW?	D	So long as the Limited Special Sensor generates absolutley no EW...I really like the mix of Special Sensor seeking weapon IDs and Full Aegis IDs.
7. What should the 2X Shields be like?	D&F	I think a cruiser should have either 60 boxes front 40 rear or 50 & 35:- depending on whether or not Caps-To-SSReo comes about...but I also think a sheild refit for the Xork invasion might be in order.
8. What should be the basis for the Backbone of the 2X fleet?	F	DDs / the CC should have the DN role / the CA should have the BCH role and the CL should have the CCH role...that is XDDs will have the CARa+ and NCA roles ( of the Federation anyway )
9. What should be the Phaser basis for 2X ships.	B & C	B during the Trade Wars and C during the Xork invasion.
10. What should 2X CC's have for total warp power?(This is total not how it's acheived)	D	But would go for C or B during the Trade Wars moving up to D as a responce to the Xork invasion.
11. Should 2X ships have NEW gee whiz tech.(IE Shifting damage to different shields. Structural Integrity field ect.)	B	We shouldn't go the whole-hog-ANDRO but 5 point BTTYs should be nice.

I hope I didn't put in too much comment, but I really didn't like nost of the multiple choice answers.

About 11...there is likely to be no X3 so a lot of the limitations that exist in the game should can be gotten rid of because there will be no real need to jump forward ever again.

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 11:38 pm: Edit

1) B
2) B
3) B
4) A
5) A
6) D
7) D
8) B
9) B
10)C
11)C

Be careful to not put too much weight on this poll as all the choices do not reflect all the possibilities. For instance I don't want to see 52 warp. But I chose it because it is closest to 50 which I do want to see.

It is good for grasping the general attitude. So I support the idea.

By Jeff Tonglet (Blackbeard) on Monday, February 10, 2003 - 12:18 am: Edit

1	b
2	b	higher than average but not as wide a margin
3	a
4	e	I rarely fly plasma boats
5	a/b	Some heavys may get big improvements. For these range should be kept to 8. Others may get only a range improvement.
6	f	10 EW none free. Not on the list.
7	d
8	a	The CA is the flagship of ADB's products. The CL and DD are "workhorse" ships that the races mass produce.
9	b	See Y140 for # of phasers
10	b/c	48
11	b	Save the truly bizarre stuff for Omega

By Jeremy Gray (Gray) on Monday, February 10, 2003 - 06:13 am: Edit

1. B. 300-350
2. B. Shrink the relative spread on BPV
3. B. 32 (but at a high cost - like 5-10 warp to get that extra movement point).
4. B. 40 with NO Sabot
5. B. 10 or C. 12 (I'd like to see this varied a little for different weapons)
6. C. 6+2 With limited special sensors
7. D. Slight Improvement with an additional means of dealing with damage
8. B. CL (CC as rare command ships, DD/FF for lower priority missions)
9. B. Reduced number of Improved phasers (PH-V)
10. B. 45
11. B. A little

By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Monday, February 10, 2003 - 06:55 am: Edit

1. C (XCC only...XCA would be "B")
2. B
3. B
4. A
5. B
6. C
7. D
8. A (CA is the backbone...CL is the workhorse)
9. B
10. C (50 total)
11. B

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Monday, February 10, 2003 - 08:50 am: Edit

After a week all the responses will be added up. Or if intrest wanes in the Poll. Things will be added up earlier.

Like I said everything is inclusive. I tried to take a balance of the existing material. Simply Vote for what ever you deam Closest to what you support.

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Monday, February 10, 2003 - 04:34 pm: Edit

A poll is irrelevant. Game design is not a democratic sport. Either the design as a whole fits into the existing game architecture or it does not. No particular answer has any meaning without taking into account how it integrates to every other question.

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Monday, February 10, 2003 - 06:30 pm: Edit

Tos please keep commentary in another Topic.

By Aaron Gimblet (Marcus) on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 03:11 pm: Edit

1.B
2.B, lower margin
3.A
4.A
5.B
6.B
7.D
8.A
9.B
10.B
11.B

By Carl-Magnus Carlsson (Eagle) on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 03:19 pm: Edit

1. A

2. C

3.B

4. C

5. A

6. B

7. B

8. A

9. D

10. A

11. C

By Geoff Conn (Talonz) on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 10:36 am: Edit

for the heck of it;
AAABA(B for ppd)CBAABA/B

By Tony Barnes (Tonyb) on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 11:56 am: Edit

1 E
2 C
3 E
4 E
5 D
6 E
7 E
8 E
9 D
10 E
11 D

By Jim Davies (Mudfoot) on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 09:25 pm: Edit

1 b
2 b
3 d
4 c
5 b
6 10 total
7 d
8 b
9 b
10 b
11 b

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 02:59 am: Edit

This is an Update to the Poll. With a couple of Additions made by Various Ppl. Along with a Correction. And the Current preliminary Vote total in Purple. Additions Corrections in RED.

Please only Answer the Questions. Keep the Commentary in the Appropriate Thread.

1. What BPV should an Fed/Klink XCC have. Keeping in mind a possible 1X BCHX being around 300-325. (The ISC CCX is 315 but the ISC CC is just about a BCH in firepower anyway.)
A. 250-300 (2)
B. 300-350 (5)
C. 350-400 (5)
D. 400+
E. Undecided (1)

2. Should traditionally high BPV races (BP in general) maintain the:
A. Same relative spread on BPV 4)
B. Shrink the relative spread on BPV (6)
C. Undecided (2)
D. Case by Case per race. (1)

3.What Top Speed should an 2X Ship have? (By any means)
A. 31 (4)
B. 32 (5)
C. 33-35 (1)
D. 36-40 (1)
E. Undecided (1)

4. What Speed should Plasma Topedoes have?
A. Normal 32+Sabot (3)
B. 40 with NO Sabot (3)
C. 40 with a faster Sabot(48?) (3)
D. 48 No Sabot
E. Undecided (3)
F. 32+48 Sabot(1)

5. What range should DF Overloads max at?
A. 8 (6)
B. 10 (6)
C. 12
D. Undecided (1)

6. What should 2X have for EW?
A. 6EW+2ECCM (Same as 1X) Invalid Pre CL23All A's count as B's.
B. 8EW Total (3)
C. 6+2 With limited special sensors(Invalid Pre CL23 all C's count as D's.)
D. 8 with limited special sensors (5)
E. Undecided (3)
F. 10EW (3)

7. What should the 2X Shields be like?
A. Unchanged from 1X
B. Slight Improvement (45 front 35 rear) (3)
C. Major Increase (50-55 front 40-45 Rear)
D. Slight Improvement with an additional means of dealing with damage (9)
E. Undecided (1)

8. What should be the basis for the Backbone of the 2X fleet?
A. CA (8)
B. CL (3)
C. CC
D. DW DD is counted in DW (1)\
E. Undecided (1)

9. What should be the Phaser basis for 2X ships.
A. Same Phasers as 1X (2)
B. Reduced number of Improved phasers (PH-V) (7)
C. Same number as 1X but with improved phasers (2)
D. Undecided. (2)

10. What should 2X CC's have for total warp power?(This is total not how it's acheived)
A. 40 (Same as 1X) (1)
B. 45 (6)
C. 52 (or 50)(3)
D. 60 (2)
E. Undecided (1)

11. Should 2X ships have NEW gee whiz tech.(IE Shifting damage to different shields. Structural Integrity field ect.)
A. No (1)
B. A little (7)
C. Yes (3)
D. Undecided (2)


***Note***
This Poll was meant to be inclusive. Drones in their complexity were deliberately left out to simplify the Poll.

Reminder Please keep Commentary in the appropriate Threads. Leave this one clear to simplify the use of the Poll.

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 03:04 am: Edit

Oops wrong Thread

By Jeff Tonglet (Blackbeard) on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 08:21 pm: Edit

I present the following ship as having just about all of the most popular answers to the poll:

http://www.geocities.com/raperm2002/FED_X2_v3.GIF

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 10:23 pm: Edit

Jeff Please Post SSD's in the SSD thread. Not in the Poll.

It needs to be kept clear of clutter as much as posssible.

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 11:07 pm: Edit

1. b
2. b
3. d
4. c
5. c
6. b
7. b
8. b
9. b
10. b
11. c

By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 02:54 pm: Edit

Ken,

I need to change a poll choice.

My answer for 10) (warp power) has now changed to c) 52.

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 03:10 pm: Edit

Ok just to make it a formal method causde I have been convinced to change my own. Here is what we should make it look like for simplicity.
Vote Change
By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 10:49 pm: Edit
1.C
2.A
3.B - A
4.E
5.B - A
6.E - D
7.B
8.A
9.A
10.C
11.D

Just Paste your Old Votes (with date/time.) and put your NEW ones in red like I did. To kep things simple. With Vote Change labeled at top.