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By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Saturday, February 15, 2003 - 08:28 am: Edit

1A
2D
3ABE
4E
5D
6B
7E
8B
9B
10A
11B

By Andrew Harding (Warlock) on Saturday, February 15, 2003 - 02:36 pm: Edit

1 B
2 B
3 A
4 X
5 A
6 B
7 B
8 A
9 A
10 A
11 A

By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Saturday, February 15, 2003 - 03:44 pm: Edit

UPDATE

1. C - 350-400

2. A - Keep the same spread as absolute numbers, but not as a %tage

3. A - 31 I don't think anything else will play nice with GW-tech.

4. B - Sabot should be standard. Options on an ultra-sabot later but not necessary.

5. A - I'm willing to entertain R10 overloads but my gut-feel is it won't play nice with GW-tech

6. F - 10 EW (note to Ken: X1 is 8EW these days--see CL 23 X-errata)

7. D - slight increast plus fun stuff.

8. A - the CA is the backbone of SFB.

9. C - Room for EX2 ships with less-optimized armament.

10. C - (Was D) Anywhere between 48-52 is good.

11. C. Yes. I like Gee-wiz tech.

By Roger Dupuy (Rogerdupuy) on Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 04:10 pm: Edit

1. E
2.C
3.E
4.C
5.D
6.C
7.D
8.E
9.D
10.E
11.C

By Roger Dupuy (Rogerdupuy) on Wednesday, February 19, 2003 - 08:10 pm: Edit

Redone with addendum

1. E
2.C
3.A
4.E-why have plasma torps anymore?
5.D-How about nine? Actually if you want more range, make it risky (ie. might blow up in tube, etc.)
6.C
7.D
8.E- smaller than GW ships.
9.D-some races should abandon phasers or have them go in different ways (more Omegalike)
10.E-but I don't want bloated warp engines
11.C-yes! different and distinct and not the same for every race.

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 09:44 am: Edit

Poll 1.1 CLOSED

I will not be recording anymore votes at this Time. A month from now. AFTER the Integrated Proposals have had a chance to kick around I will reopen the Poll.

With any previous question not getting a 50% vote being Polled again but only with the top answers. Along with anything else that might come up between now and then.

1. What BPV should an Fed/Klink XCC have. Keeping in mind a possible 1X BCHX being around 300-325. (The ISC CCX is 315 but the ISC CC is just about a BCH in firepower anyway.)
A. 250-300 (3)
B. 300-350 (7)
C. 350-400 (5)
D. 400+
E. Undecided (2)

2. Should traditionally high BPV races (BP in general) maintain the:
A. Same relative spread on BPV (4)
B. Shrink the relative spread on BPV (8)
C. Undecided (3)
D. Case by Case per race. (2)

3.What Top Speed should an 2X Ship have? (By any means)
A. 31 (7)
B. 32 (4)
C. 33-35 (1)
D. 36-40 (2)
E. Undecided (2)

4. What Speed should Plasma Topedoes have?
A. Normal 32+Sabot (3)
B. 40 with NO Sabot (3)
C. 40 with a faster Sabot(48?) (7)
D. 48 No Sabot
E. Undecided (3)
F. 32+48 Sabot(1)

5. What range should DF Overloads max at?
A. 8 (8)
B. 10 (5)
C. 12 (1)
D. Undecided (3)

6. What should 2X have for EW?
A. 6EW+2ECCM (Same as 1X) Invalid Pre CL23All A's count as B's.
B. 8EW Total (7)
C. 6+2 With limited special sensors(Invalid Pre CL23 all C's count as D's.)
D. 8 with limited special sensors (7)
E. Undecided (2)
F. 10EW (1)

7. What should the 2X Shields be like?
A. Unchanged from 1X
B. Slight Improvement (45 front 35 rear) (5)
C. Major Increase (50-55 front 40-45 Rear)
D. Slight Improvement with an additional means of dealing with damage (10)
E. Undecided (2)

8. What should be the basis for the Backbone of the 2X fleet?
A. CA (9)
B. CL (5)
C. CC
D. DW DD is counted in DW (1)
E. Undecided (1)
F. Smaller Than GW (1)

9. What should be the Phaser basis for 2X ships.
A. Same Phasers as 1X (3)
B. Reduced number of Improved phasers (PH-V) (9)
C. Same number as 1X but with improved phasers (2)
D. Undecided. (3)

10. What should 2X CC's have for total warp power?(This is total not how it's acheived)
A. 40 (Same as 1X) (3)
B. 45 (7)
C. 52 (or 48-50)(4)
D. 60 (1)
E. Undecided (2)

11. Should 2X ships have NEW gee whiz tech.(IE Shifting damage to different shields. Structural Integrity field ect.)
A. No (2)
B. A little (8)
C. Yes (5)
D. Undecided (2)


***Note***
This Poll was meant to be inclusive. Drones in their complexity were deliberately left out to simplify the Poll.

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 01:23 pm: Edit

Very interesting. I was surprise by the warp power poll. You know, 45 warp is going to be tought to lay out into two warp engines. 46 will be wierd too with 2x23 but 48 is easy. I'll post an idea in the speed limit topic.

By michael john campbell (Michaelcampbell) on Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 09:13 pm: Edit

4 having C as the most common, that's freaky.

6 having B and D as equally common. I think there are some things we can all agree on.

By michael john campbell (Michaelcampbell) on Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 10:21 pm: Edit

Drone Poll

1) What speed should X2 drones move at ( assuming Y 215 to 225 )?
A) speed 32 ( use type VII & VIII drones )
B) speed 40 with some kind of final approach drop down to 32.
C) Speed 40
D) Speed 48 or higher.


2) How should drones get more deadly?
A) More of them.
B) More and new; special warheads (E.g General Availiblity of Ph-2 Swordfish or full damage external explosive modules)
C) Increased number of warhead spaces per drone (the X1 method)
D) Improvement of Explosive modules (8 points of damage per half space instead of 6)
E) A and B for the Kzintis in the period Y205 to 215 and B and D for the Klingons in that period closing to AB&D for the period Y215 to 225, with other races having their own flavour and heading toward the "final solution" in the Y215 to 225 period.


3) Should drones get tougher?
A) No.
B) XX/8/XX & XX/10/XX respectively.
C) XX/8/XX & XX/12/XX respectively.
D) XX/9/XX & XX/12/XX respectively.
E) XX/10/XX & XX/14/XX respectively.
F) B Plus tougher through combinations ( such as internal and external armour or Poundal mode and external armour ).
G) Tougher still?
H) Couldn't care less.

4) Should drones have something new in sizes ( 1 space, 1.5 space and 2 space?
A) No. It's better to keep the system simple.
B) Yes. more choice means more flavour.
C) Not really fussed.

5) Should new warheads be in invented ( E.g some kind of ECCM drone ).
A) No. X2 should just be advancement of existing tech.
B) Yes. More Options means more flavour.
C) I'll leave that one up to other people.



P.S. Sorry for using more than 2 Questions.

By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 08:09 am: Edit

Okay, I'll bite.

1) A
2) C
3) A
4) B
5) B

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 10:21 am: Edit

I concure with Mike.

I would add that there could be some later year (Y215) advancements in response to the improvements of Y205.

By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 02:04 pm: Edit

1)A - Open to faster if shown to be needed
2)B - Options is good
3)A - Depends on race
4)A - A 1.5 space drone would be a bookkeeping problem
5)B - Options is good

By Geoff Conn (Talonz) on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 04:25 pm: Edit

A,C,BmaybeC(depends on defensive weaponry),A,A

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 04:35 pm: Edit

Geoff: I think that he means Damage/Hit Points/Speed. The XXes in place or Damage and Speed.

By michael john campbell (Michaelcampbell) on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 08:12 pm: Edit

Is everyone reading question 1 properly.

I am talking in the Y215 to 225 period, not the Y205 to 215 period.


K.J.:


Are you keeping score or am I?

By michael john campbell (Michaelcampbell) on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 08:28 pm: Edit

I should post in my own poll.

1 C During the listed period:-A earlier although if playtesting warrents B then I'ld go with that but I would rather not have A followed by B followed by C as that would be too complicted.
2 E What? You think that answer was there because I didn't favour it!?! I also think it'll satisfy a lot of poeple's different points of view.
3 F But I'm leaning towards XX/8/XX XX/10/XX XX/12/XX with the introduction of both a 1.5 space and a 2 space drone.
4 B But I'm only saying that because X1 already gives us that.
5 B No one can take your Mojo from you:- so don't let 'em try.

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 10:12 pm: Edit

MJC your stuck tracking votes:) Like I said in the commentary thread. I ain't touching it. (For my own sanity):)

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 05:36 pm: Edit

Poll Reopened

Don't Comment Here
Keep Commentary in the BPV or Poll Commentary threads.

1. What BPV should an Fed/Klink XCC have. Keeping in mind a possible 1X BCHX being around 300-325. (The ISC CCX is 315 but the ISC CC is just about a BCH in firepower anyway.)
A. 250-300
B. 300-350
C. 350-400
D. 400+
E. Undecided

2. Should traditionally high BPV races (BP in general) maintain the:
A. Same relative spread on BPV
B. Shrink the relative spread on BPV
C. Undecided
D. Case by Case per race.

I'm reposting this to maybe get us to settle on SOMETHING. The poll will run until 4-9-03. Then I will total votes on these subjects.

Once again. Keep the commentary in the appropriate threads. Either the BPV or Poll Commentary threads.

By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 06:14 pm: Edit

1: B
2: B

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 06:57 pm: Edit

1:B
2:B

By Christopher E. Fant (Cfant) on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 07:30 pm: Edit

1:B
2:B

By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 07:31 pm: Edit

1: B, will probably slip to C
2: B

By Jeremy Gray (Gray) on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 07:55 pm: Edit

1. B
2. B

By Aaron Gimblet (Marcus) on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 08:02 pm: Edit

1.B
2.A

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 09:08 pm: Edit

1.B
2.A

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