Alan Trevor:

I saw nothing wrong with it.

Just remember, when you submit your tactics you need to include a copy of your battle group as well as your name and state, so be sure to include the modification as well.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Saturday, December 07, 2019 - 06:52 pm: Edit

Type II and type V are speed 12.

If you have a bunch of drones in the rack, you might want to have one of these types and use the half point saved for an extra boarding party or whatnot.

YMMV.

By Michael Grafton (Mike_Grafton) on Saturday, December 07, 2019 - 07:01 pm: Edit

why would the commander choose them?

Because the supply dinks gave him a load of drones and he was told "take these or nothing..."

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Saturday, December 07, 2019 - 07:20 pm: Edit

Michael,

I don't really buy that. This scenario is Y175. Speed-20 drones were first introduced in Y165 and became "general availability" in Y167. By Y175 they have been in high-rate production for almost a decade. I could see auxiliary units, or the defenses for some backwater, low-value colony still having to use slow drones. But by this point, I would think that the first-line units have all transitioned to speed-20 drones, except for the occasional rare case where the unit is being deliberately tasked into an asteroid field, or some similar case.

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Saturday, December 07, 2019 - 07:34 pm: Edit

Klingons

Alan Trevor - USS Virginia

D5W - 150
1xType-IVM, 3xType-IM, 1xType-IM ECM drone in each rack: (+5)

MRS - (+8)
MRS Drones - 4xType-IVM, 8xType-VIM, 8xType-IM (+4 points)

Convert 2 Boarding Party to Commando - (+1)
Convert 2 Boarding Party to Heavy Weapon - (+1)

1xTransporter Bombs - (+4)

Total Cost - 173

D5K - 112 - Y175 Refit - (+2)
1xType-IVM, 3xType-IM, 1xType-IM ECM drone in each rack: (+5)

1xTransporter Bomb - (+4)

Total Cost - 123

D5K - 112 - Y175 Refit - (+2)
1xType-IVM, 3xType-IM, 1xType-IM ECM drone in each rack: (+5)

1xTransporter Bomb - (+4)

Total Cost - 123

D5S - 120 - Y175 Refit - (+2)
1xType-IVM, 3xType-IM, 1xType-IM ECM drone in each rack: (+5)

1xTransporter Bomb - +4

Total Cost - 131

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Saturday, December 07, 2019 - 07:37 pm: Edit

Unless someone spots an error, my 7:34 PM post is my final submission for this battle force.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Saturday, December 07, 2019 - 07:54 pm: Edit

Probably moderate speed drones replaced slow drones before medium speed drones came into use, so medium speed drones probably mostly replace moderate speed drones.

I suspect units on a budget (such as armed civilian units) might indeed continue using moderate speed drones ever after better drones were generally available.

By Eddie Crutchfield (Librarian101) on Saturday, December 07, 2019 - 11:01 pm: Edit

Might want to note that your ECM drones will need to be controlled, because of no ATG purchased.

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Saturday, December 07, 2019 - 11:24 pm: Edit

Yes, I'm aware.

By Michael Grafton (Mike_Grafton) on Sunday, December 08, 2019 - 06:55 pm: Edit

Actually, I would LOVE to see a "commanders option" thingy that lets you reduce your drone speed.

So, you buy 3 drones with "speed controllers" for an extra 1/2 point each.

Now you can do all kinds of stupid drone wave timing tricks...

Like keep those speed 12 drones slowed to speed 6 so they stay stacked with that Seeking Shuttle vs the oncoming Lyran ESG...

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Sunday, December 08, 2019 - 08:05 pm: Edit

Well, X-tech drones are variable speed. They can't change speed "in flight" but the owning player can select the speed at time of launch (or at the time the drone is loaded onto a scatterpack). Allowable choices for speed are 32, 20, 12, or 8.

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Sunday, December 08, 2019 - 10:05 pm: Edit

Kzinti Border Patrol Squadron. rev 1.0. Jeff Wile, U.S.S. Minnesota.
MCC#1 (135) Year 175 refit (+3), MRS (+8), 16 IM drones (+8), 4 IMATG drones(+4), 2 additional boarding parties (+1), 1 tb (+4), total = 163.

MC#2 (110) Year 175 refit (+7), 16 IM drones (+8), 4 IMATG drones(+4), total 129.

MC#3 (110) Year 175 refit (+7), 16 IM drones (+8), 4 IMATG drones (+4), total 129.

MC#4 (110) Year 175 refit (+7), 16 IM drones (+8), 4 IMATG drones (+4), total 129.

Total battle force bpv 550.

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Sunday, December 08, 2019 - 10:08 pm: Edit

I checked, but R5.19 does not state that the shuttle boxes have fighter ready racks. I guess I misremembered... was there errata that added ready racks?

By wayne douglas power (Wayne) on Sunday, December 08, 2019 - 11:24 pm: Edit

Drones with ATG have the designator H appended to their designation (other than type III or type VI)

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Monday, December 09, 2019 - 05:10 am: Edit

Jeff Wile:

The MRS has drones also. Same discussion as had with Alan Trevor.

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Monday, December 09, 2019 - 05:13 am: Edit

As to fighter ready racks, originally just about all "war cruisers" included them, but they were deleted by 1989.

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Monday, December 09, 2019 - 06:44 am: Edit

Kzinti Border Patrol Squadron. Rev 2.0. Jeff Wile, U.S.S. Minnesota.

MCC#1 (135) Year 175 refit (+3), MRS (+8), (MRS drones 4 IVM 8IM 8 VIM (+4),16 IM drones (+8), 4 IMH (+4), 2 additional boarding parties (+1), total 163 BPV.

MC#2 (110) Year 175 refit (+7), 16 IM drones (+8), 4 IMH (+4), total 129.

MC#3 (110) Year 175 refit (+7), 16 IM drones (+8), 4 IMH (+4), total 129.

MC#4 (110) Year 175 refit (+7), 16 IM drones (+8), 4 IMH (+4), total 129.

Total battle force 550.

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Monday, December 09, 2019 - 03:08 pm: Edit

Submissions are closed.

I will be dividing people and matching up.

The "Heads up" is that the Scenario is (SL33.0) THE DILITHIUM CRYSTAL ASTEROID.

Four Battle Groups will matched (there will thus be four "battles").

NO ALLIANCES.

Further, there will a time limit of 15 turns, after which the asteroid will immolate itself (The empires were told of the asteroid's existence by people who were already mining it, and their mining operation was an ecological catastrophe destabilizing the rock, which they knew and that was why they sold your empire the information on its location, not mentioning that they sold it to other empires.).

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Monday, December 09, 2019 - 03:24 pm: Edit

Ah, classic! Brilliant choice SPP and an excellent change of pace.

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Monday, December 09, 2019 - 03:36 pm: Edit

Huummmm.... traditional foe?
Or non traditional?

Takes a long hungry look at Alan Trevor.


*Just traditional trash talk. Nothing personal!

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Monday, December 09, 2019 - 03:37 pm: Edit

Scenario is in Captain's Log #2. Is there a more recent publication with this scenario available?

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Monday, December 09, 2019 - 03:57 pm: Edit

Richard B. Eitzen:

Not that I am aware.

Jeff Wile:

With 16 total submissions and four battle groups in each rendition, there is no way for anyone to have all "traditional" opponents. The Qixa, for example, are going to have to face off against Alpha Empires, and three Alpha Empires are going to be facing off not just with other Alpha Empires, but the Qixa.

Everyone (even technically the Qixa) might have one or more foes they can be expected to have some familiarity with (Qixa: Jindairans, Andromedans) but with three opponents and three other battle maps to be serviced, it is not like the Hydrans will be guaranteed that they will face the Klingons, Lyrans, and Orions (all of which could be regarded as "traditional"), but they might be matched against the Vudar, the Inter-Stellar Concordium, and the LDR. But then the LDR would not regard the Vudar as a "traditional opponent."

None of the preceding should be taken as formal matches, just examples of what is possible. I, however, have to try to be fair to everyone, and that may mean that Jeff Wile's Kzintis are matched against the Vudar as one of the opposing forces. People may have to come out of their 'comfort zones" for this one.

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Monday, December 09, 2019 - 03:58 pm: Edit

As to the choices on the scenario and the matching of multiple players.

I did choose the scenario, but it was SVC who decided that the actions should be four battle groups on a given map, to give credit where it is due.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Monday, December 09, 2019 - 04:30 pm: Edit

Back in the day my group used to do free for alls (up to 14 players) quite frequently, with any available empire being possible at various points). Had some interesting match ups.

Anywho, this scenario IS my comfort zone. :p

By Eddie Crutchfield (Librarian101) on Monday, December 09, 2019 - 04:45 pm: Edit

Love this scenario, it is a great multi fleet game.