| By Jeff Anderson (Jga) on Wednesday, March 05, 2025 - 06:49 pm: Edit |
A potentially REALLY dumb question just popped itself into my (alleged) mind...
DNEs? Most of them were built before "Good Engineering" was worked out to maximize their capabilities.
Did anyone ever muse on the idea of building a sort of "X-Ship" version of a DNE when simulator tests of any "Normal" DNX failed?
I mean... The Original DNE? The Federation DN from the Basic Set? Wasn't it described (at one time) as basically being an enlarged CC with more power and SLIGHTLY increased combat capabilities? Might SOMEone get the screwball idea of building a CCX with more power and SLIGHTLY increased combat capabilities in much the same manner?
The whole idea would probably fall apart, but y'know, I can picture a "Competition" between a maximized DNH and one of these hypothetical DNEX as a kind of parallel to a "Competition" between a "Super-Heavy Cruiser" and a CCX.
Like I said, the whole concept doesn't even "Feel Right" in my alleged mind, so this is definitely NOT a proposal, just a little something that tickled my cocoanut. Any thoughts on this sort of ship?
| By Ahmad Abdel-Hameed (Madarab) on Thursday, March 06, 2025 - 03:35 pm: Edit |
What's the scenario where the Romulans were raiding a Federation world (Rigel IV maybe?) All I remember is the Romulans had a Condor (DNL?) and what product do I find it in?
| By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Thursday, March 06, 2025 - 10:06 pm: Edit |
SH63 - Strike at Rigel-IV = CL#2/S#1
Condor is normal DN.
| By Ahmad Abdel-Hameed (Madarab) on Saturday, March 08, 2025 - 08:53 am: Edit |
Stewart, thank you!
| By Mike West (Mjwest) on Saturday, March 08, 2025 - 12:59 pm: Edit |
Jeff,
The implication of the published history is that a CCX is just the best they can do with X-ships. They can't even get a BCHX done, so it's just the CCX and that's it.
Plus, if they could just tack some extra stuff on a CCX, then they'd have done it already. The CCX is just as good as they can make it work.
| By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Saturday, March 08, 2025 - 01:08 pm: Edit |
EDIT: A bit of cross-posting here, it seems...
Technically, certain empires were able to go with their heavy command cruiser designs, as opposed to "standard" CCs. For example: it was possible to rebuild the Federation CB NCC-1749 USS Vincennes as a prototype CX - but it was not possible to do the same with a Federation battlecruiser.
In the case of the Lyrans, they ran into difficulties - and opportunities - of their own. They found it impossible to convert a Hellcat heavy battlecruiser into an X1-ship; however, a Wildcat-X battlecruiser conversion was viable. But even then, the resulting ship was deemed to be somewhat of a stopgap measure, to be traded in for a "proper" Bengal Tiger-X at the earliest opportunity.
There are conjectural X1-DNLs in Module R9. However, these are marked as strictly impossible builds.
All that said, it is still possible to install partial-X refits onto larger hulls. X-batteries in particular make for a popular choice, despite the limits in terms of power being transferred to or from them on XP-ships.
| By Jessica Orsini (Jessica_Orsini) on Saturday, March 08, 2025 - 05:10 pm: Edit |
The exception, of course, being the Jindarians, with their DNX. Handy side effect of using massive asteroids as your ships....
| By Ahmad Abdel-Hameed (Madarab) on Saturday, March 08, 2025 - 07:18 pm: Edit |
Where do I get all of these DNs? I'm still paying off my war debt and have a ruined economy... More seriously, if I'm not using all or most of those juicy XTPs as extra regular old EPs (We'll use the Federation as an example.), I can convert 2 CAs (which I probably have plenty of) and build from scratch an additional 4 CXs as substitutions for CAs and CCs in my build schedule per year and still have plenty of XTPs left over for repair and the like.
| By Eddie E Crutchfield (Librarian101) on Tuesday, March 11, 2025 - 09:34 pm: Edit |
A question, on an X-Class ship does the APR/AWR box on the SSD produce 1 point of power or 2.
| By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Tuesday, March 11, 2025 - 09:41 pm: Edit |
APRs on X-ships produce one point of power.
APRs on ships with partial X-refits may be upgraded to produce 2 points of power. The number allowed to do so is limited by size class. See (XR1.4).
| By Eddie E Crutchfield (Librarian101) on Tuesday, March 11, 2025 - 10:04 pm: Edit |
Nick, thats what I thought, but it seems that the x-Ships as built in SFBOL on line are built to produce 2 points. The DX for instance has 4 XPR boxes on the SSD which is correct, but the EA form shows 8 points of power produced on the EA form. The Fed CX which is built incorrectly also shows the same double power output. I just wanted to double check before I contacted Paul
| By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Tuesday, March 11, 2025 - 10:22 pm: Edit |
Technically, what is going on engineering-wise is that an XPR is about half of the physical size of a non-X APR or AWR.
On a "full" X1-ship, most hulls do not use this to double the number of reactors aboard; rather, they leverage the "space savings" for other systems.
However, in the case of a partial-X refit, 2 XPRs are installed into the same space as the APR or AWR being replaced.
To be clear, each XPR is still only producing one point of power: warp power if it's an X-AWR, or non-warp power if an X-APR.
| By Eddie E Crutchfield (Librarian101) on Sunday, March 30, 2025 - 08:01 pm: Edit |
can any one tell what product had the ECM drone counters
| By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Sunday, March 30, 2025 - 11:45 pm: Edit |
Don't think there's a special counter for that, just note which drone counter is one and leave it at that …
| By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Monday, March 31, 2025 - 12:06 am: Edit |
Rule FD 9.0 ECM drones.
I agree with Stewart, no drone counter.
Uses a regular drone counter, type III were used experimentally by the Klingons, other drone using Empires adopted the technology. Type I drone frames can be fitted with ECM modules.
| By Russ Simkins (Madcowak) on Monday, March 31, 2025 - 02:21 am: Edit |
Quote:By Eddie E Crutchfield (Librarian101) on Sunday, March 30, 2025 - 08:01 pm: Edit
can any one tell what product had the ECM drone counters
| By Joe Trusty (Joe_Trusty) on Saturday, April 05, 2025 - 06:13 am: Edit |
Message test, check (will delete after seen posted)
ah . . . okay this is the message edit box.
I do not see a delete post option.
Do you really have to login for every comment?
| By Michael Bennett (Mike) on Monday, May 05, 2025 - 08:46 pm: Edit |
Could someone kindly direct me to where I can find a generic planetary defensive layout for a Federation major planet (such as the main planet in Alpha Centauri)? This needs to be during the mid-Y140's or so (FC's Middle Years).
And a follow-up question. If minefields are common during this time period, what could be substituted in their place and still keep the original balance?
Thanks!
| By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Tuesday, May 06, 2025 - 05:17 pm: Edit |
Major planets have a defense brigade (with 24 fighter factors)in F&E, which is 4 defense battalions (6 fighter factors, which is 12 single space fighters). There was a captain's log which broke down what a defense battalion was but I don't remember which one. The bestway to handle that many fighters is to have them be bombers.
| By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Tuesday, May 06, 2025 - 05:42 pm: Edit |
Nick Samaras:
But note that Michael Bennett is asking about "mid-Y140's or so", which rules out fighters and bombers. (At least for the Feds; I believe the Hydrans already have the Stinger-1.)
| By Mike Grafton (Mike_Grafton) on Wednesday, May 07, 2025 - 08:22 am: Edit |
Mid 140s major planet?
Defsats and ground bases. MANY hundreds of BPs (you are talking about a system with Billions of population), A Pol or three, Probably an Aux Cruiser(s)/ National Guard ship(s) plus Starfleet ships. Maybe a BS/ BATS/ Starbase. Probably a shipyard. Dozens or more freighters of all kinds (from unarmed impulse only mega freighters to quick passenger liners). THOUSANDS of shuttlecraft (from EY equivalents to 4 space ones with warp).
Most of the above are completely irrelevant to a raid by an enemy squadron here for a slash and run. Big problem if the enemy intends to hold anything.
| By Jeff Anderson (Jga) on Wednesday, May 07, 2025 - 10:39 am: Edit |
Security Skiffs, or at least Early Security Skiffs?
Would there be minefields by Y140?
| By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Wednesday, May 07, 2025 - 04:27 pm: Edit |
Minefields were largely unavailable ib Y140, the exception is the Romulans. Minefields show up about Y150, minesweepers shortly after.
| By Jeff Anderson (Jga) on Thursday, May 08, 2025 - 10:10 am: Edit |
Thanks, SPP, and welcome back!
I honestly didn't know and didn't want them casually swept aside.
(Ducking now 
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| By Shawn Gordon (Avrolancaster) on Saturday, June 07, 2025 - 02:17 am: Edit |
I just got my R4J in the mail today. I am really impressed with the double-sided civil war coloured counters. It's a great idea.
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