Intra-Galactic (between Galaxy) Strategic movement proposal
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Intra-Galactic (between Galaxy) Strategic movement proposal
This proposal doesn't impact F&E, Operation Unity, SFD or FC tactical combat.
Proposal: After Y202 The Federation and then other empires copied a way to increase the speed of Indra-Galactic travel. Neutral hydrogen stream occur between the Magellanic clouds and between the milky way and some star cluster. Through a magnetic scoop and collection system (the scoop is just outside of the warp bubble) neutral hydrogen is collected and compressed. Once the compressed neutral hydrogen reaches a critical mass a small amount of warp energy is fed in. The result is an increase in warp speed beyond warp 12, reduction in the warp setting of the ships engines below standard warp, and the reduction of pressure against the warp bubble because neutral hydrogen is being used.
Which ships can use this neutral hydrogen system (The second part of the proposal). I suggest X-ships. The scoops and collection systems were added to the strakes as a zero cost refit. This would be an R.XX note with a YIS date.
The OGLE island star cluster and the Price-Whelan 1 star cluster would need to be renamed as these are destinations.
The Magellanic Could and the Milky Way
Science Background
OGLE-ing[Optical Gravitational Lensing Experiment (OGLE-IV)] the Magellanic System: Stellar Populations in the Magellanic Bridge.
"We find that the young population is present mainly in the western half of the Magellanic Bridge, which is consistent with previous findings. However, we discover a significant young population in the eastern part of the classical Bridge region, connecting both galaxies along δ≈-73.5 deg, thus showing that the Magellanic Bridge contains a continuous stream of stars.". "...fairly isolated and located approximately mid-way between the Clouds (α≈2.9 h, δ≈-73.5 deg), which we call the OGLE island. Skowron et al., 2014, The Astrophysical Journal, 795, 108, arXiv:1405.7364
From Wikipedia: Magellanic Clouds.
" Streams of neutral hydrogen connect them to the Milky Way and to each other..."
"Large Magellanic Cloud (LMC), approximately 163,000 light-years away"
"Small Magellanic Cloud (SMC), approximately 206,000 light years away"
From Wikipedia: Price-Whelan 1
"is a young stellar association or disrupting star cluster with low metallicity and extragalactic origin, more specifically the leading arm of the Magellanic gas stream originating in the Magellanic Clouds." My understanding is it is cluster of star 90,000 light year away. Likely has streams of neutral hydrogen connect them to the Milky Way and to each other (Magellanic Clouds).
From Wikipedia: H I region; H II region
"An HI region or H I region (read H one) is a cloud in the interstellar medium composed of neutral atomic hydrogen (HI), in addition to the local abundance of helium and other elements. (H is the chemical symbol for hydrogen, and "I" is the Roman numeral. It is customary in astronomy to use the Roman numeral I for neutral atoms, II for singly-ionised—HII is H+ in other sciences—III for doubly-ionised, e.g. OIII is O++, etc.[1]) These regions do not emit detectable visible light"
"HI regions are most stable at temperatures of either below 100 K or above several thousand K; gas between these temperatures heats or cools very quickly to reach one of the stable temperature regimes. Within one of these phases, the gas is usually considered isothermal, except near an expanding H II region"
"An H II region or HII region is a region of interstellar atomic hydrogen that is ionized.[1] It is typically a cloud of partially ionized gas in which star formation has recently taken place, with a size ranging from one to hundreds of light years, and density from a few to about a million particles per cubic cm. The Orion Nebula, now known to be an H II region,...". [have temperatures of around 10,000 Kelvin.]
I'm not sure what is being proposed here in game terms.
I think he is trying to cut the duration of the voyage between our galaxy (a.k.a. “The Milkyway”) and the home galaxy of the Andromedans.
IIRC from TOS (the Original Series) Star Trek, said voyage would require some “300 earth years” to get there from here.
How much faster, I can’t say.
Nick,
Ship have a top limit of warp 6 to almost warp 10 which is their dash warp speed. A ship can only maintain that for a short period.
Using the neutral hydrogen use this to boost the speed to warp 12+ but set their warp engines to standard warp (which conserves the warp fuel).
The neutral hydrogen flows in stream and is ubiquitous. This between the Magellanic Clouds and the Milky Way.
Joe, warp speed is not on a linear scale.
Have you calculated just how much time is saved by the warp 12 cruise speed?(I mean off of the 300 years travel estimated on TOS.)
Nope, don't need this, beyond the scope of the game universe, not going anywhere.
Okay. It was pretty out there. No surprises and no worries
warp 6= 6^3= speed 216'
warp 12= 12^3 = speed 1728
So you are going 8 times as fast. So 37 years or so...
Does that take into account the speed the Galaxy is moving away from the Milky Way...
That formula is not valid for the Star Fleet Universe, see
"Warp speed in the Star Fleet Universe" is the Master Index.
This idea as I stated it is dead. See SVC post above.
Actually Andromeda is headed toward the Milky Way ...
If J.J. Abraham or Kurtzman are making the movie, they will simply haveKirk (or Pike or Saru) simply change the direction of one or both Galaxies!
(Never let the laws of Physics or continuity get in the way of story telling!)
My pedantic streak is showing…. Apologies for the Necro-reply, and with no mockery or malice is intended, emphasis applied to highlight the differences.
INTRA- is a prefix applying the root word WITHIN the medium.
INTER- is a prefix applying the root word both INSIDE and OUTSIDE the medium.
INTRA-STATE commerce never leaves the State it starts in, while INTER-STATE commerce starts in one State, finishes in another, and may transit one or more intermediate States along the way. There is a similar relationship between an INTRANET and the INTERNET.
INTRA-Galatic Strategeic movement would be redundant unless it uses a previously unknown mechanism (like the RTN) to bypass the limits imposed by standard ward drives.
Such a system, were it to be considered would end up probably being similar to a JUMP DRIVE system to the INTER-SYSTEM drive from BattleTech and hordes of other SciFi fictons and games and I don’t see that being any more desirable.
INTER-Galatic Strategeic movement is…. Beyond the scope of the background materials.
When reading this thread, the big thought that came to my mind was that it felt like a PSB rationale for making footprint locations between arenas.
Here's what I mean...
We know already about the trio of trunks from the Alpha Octant to the Lesser Magellanic Cloud ("Operation Unity" Campaign). This sounds like a decent rationale for having regular post-unity interactions between Magellanic peoples and the folks from the Core SFU races.
Once there, the "Outsiders," if they have more/larger ships, can dominate the natives. IF, on the other hand, the locals have a potential ability to "Blockade a Wormhole Exit Point," then the high-power outsiders can be kept as a more limited threat, PLUS there always remains the possibility of a campaign where the Locals have the objective of taking out a single station at this exit point then putting in a super minefield before the more powerful outsiders can reinforce.
Anyhootch, that just something this thread has inspired with me. SVC, SPP, if you don't want to go there, no worries; it just won't be Canon. For those of you out there who want to do it for your own enjoyment, this is, IMO, a decent way to make it happen. 