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(R3.XX) The Klingons recognized the limitations of the division control ship class (DCS). They were also concerned with the intelligence reports a about several Federation carriers being built or convert. One or more may have two special sensors.
The Klingons responded to the limitations with the DCS class and Federations intelligence by converting a Space Control Ship by adding two special sensors to the boom.
This is a basic summary to get the conversations started. The two primary considerations are: you need an existing ship; conversions needs to be done within a short time frame.
This one seems straightforward enough for me. The C9 and C8 use nearly identical booms; to the best of my knowledge, the only difference between a C8 Boom and a C9 Boom is the drone racks on the C8 Boom are replaced with Cargo on the C9 Boom.
The C9A (R3.71) installs the SFG in what is the Boom Cargo on the standard/stock C9. That implies that the standard C8/C9 Boom design has an adequate power feed to power the SFG (or at the very least the design was easily modified to have the aforementioned power feed).
Therefore, at least for me, it stands to reason that the Boom Drone Racks on the C8S can easily be exchanged for a power demand system, such as the Special Sensors you wish to add as a conversion to a standard C8S.
That is one possibility. Alan suggested mounting the sensors on the center warp engines. I hadn't thought about this ship having a SFG in addition to the special sensors.
Would like to hear from others.
I would think an SFG on a unit that is intended to operate independently is a no go. Can you imagine what would happen if the Andros were to capture and copy SFG technology?! *shudder*
Okay, mine bad; not too clear.
I was picturing Special Sensors replacing the drone racks and was NOT picturing this ship being equipped with a SFG.
My only reference was with regard to the power feeds necessary for the Special Sensors. I know this isn't something that's part of the SFB rules, but it is something I'm, well, WEIRD about.
Again, my bad. 
On the other hand, there's part of me that would LOVE to see the expression on the face of the Captain of a Dominator who, upon having his ship released from stasis, has only one impule before a dozen Type IV Drones slam into him, and he can't do ANYthing about them... 
Just a minor thing, but hadn't all the C-9s been converted to C-8s or shipped to the Romulans by this time......
The published history clearly indicates they can't copy anything. Module C3A Andromedan Threat File has conjectural ships from Galatic powers intel files.
In Captain's Log 22 is "Class History: The C7 Heavy Battlecruisers". The C7 Fear was a SFG variant and was used as an independent raider.
An SFG on the SC8S would be used to place sat ships in stasis and when they come out of stasis blow them up. It also prevents the mother ship from moving a damaged Sat ship else were
You can only use SFGs when your speed is zero. In such a case, the additional power drain is not really a concern.
Presumably this would not be the case here, perhaps replace the central phasers with two special sensors.
Having all that power, is of little use, when you are Displaced and at speed zero.....
If you don't Freeze the ship with the DD, you have pretty much wasted the energy....
There is a risk in using a SFG especially if there is a Dominator present. Most RTN will not have such a ship arrive. An Intruder is more likely. Risk is less but still there.
Unless the SFG kills the proposal for this ship I suggest leave it as an option and wait for more comments
SFGs aren't used on ships that are by themselves, like an RTN hunter. I don't think one would be on such a design.
I thought SFGs were generally very rare. (I.E. not every fleet or squadron had them.)
It was my impression, that operationally, they were very much treated the same General way Maulers were. Available for squadron or fleet use, but never deployed singly as would happen on a patrol mission.
If there were an urgent need, and the ONLY ship waiting repairs or available for a RTN hunter refit, it might happen... but not all RTN hunter refits would be SFG ships. Very unlikely.
Jeff: Yes, that's more or less my take on them.
In the other topic, I had suggested that it might be appropriate to add something characteristic of Klingons.
SFG is a nifty gadget, but I suspect not a good fit for a RTN hunter mission.
For one thing, being caught at speed zero by unexpected enemy reinforcements is not only a mission fail, could easily result in the destruction of the ship.
My recommendation is to pass on SFGs for the RTN hunter ships.
Oh, no doubt SFGs were helpful in the attacks on Andromedan star bases, or the Desecrator. Just not for this mission.
The Klingon C5 Kommander Kurit was converted to a C5A in Y176. It was consider a deadly raider. the C7A Fear was also a raider but was lost behind Federation lines in Y184 Reference R7 and R3. So SFG were rare and as fast ships were used as raiders.
Mark, Richard, and Jeff thanks for the SFG comments. An RTN hunter isn't a raider.
I think we all are enjoying the exchange of ideas and honing each ship to a semi-specific status. Thanks all.
I always thought that the limit was something like 1 unit produced a year. F&E has a limit IIRC
Mike I think you are correct. The SFG is no longer a consider for the Klingon ship.
Any additional comments from anyone?
I still feel some sort of empire specific characteristic should be considered.
The Kzinti SSCS had 4 special sensors, which I feel qualifies.
Alas, security station and Klingon Marines add nothing to the mission. Nor would Ficons (PF fighter conveyors).
I can’t think of anything that a Klingon RTN Hunter might have that would be empire specific.
Power absorption panels (PA) are particularly vulnerable to disruptors (see C2(D10.332)). That is the racial characteristic. Plus the G1 PFs.
Summary of proposed ship: C8S has two center disrupters replaced by two special sensors. Designation SC8S.
Are we okay with this?
Not, given rule D10.332.
Priority would suggest keeping all disrupters.
Drop drone racks or phasers to make room for the special sensors.
This is a solo ship in a combat situation where every point counts when trying to be over fill the power absorbers.
The C8S only has 2 G racks.
The mission I see for this ship is to bring a large number of attrition units and back them up.
Andromedan Dominator(s) attacking something is a different type of battle.
Joe, a Space control ship has attrition units that, in the case of The Klingons, use drones.
Ask around, but for me, I want the disrupters. Let the G1 and fighters build the drone walls. That’s what they are there for.
2 drone g racks only hold 4 drone spaces each. 8 total.
compared to what the G1’s and late model fighters bring to the party, 8 drone spaces is only a fraction of the combined capacity of the attrition units.
Plus, being only 1 ship, seeking weapons control channels are a premium. The two less ship mounted will help with the drone management challenge.
Edit.
Comments noted. The actual decisions are with SPP and SVC.
All should we move on to the Romulans?
By all means... let the Romulans have their day!
Grin.