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Archive through October 19, 2022
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Eddie, see Rule 1 which prohibits SC 3 ships.
The 3rd rides again.
Ed Crutchfield USS Michigan
10/18/2022 917PM
DD+ includes +6 refit) 100 1TB(=+4 ) 104
DD+ 100 includes +6 refit)1TB(=+4 ) 104
DDF+ 100includes +6 refit) 1TB(=+4 ) 104 104
DDL+ 100,includes +6 refit) 1 TB(4). Rk 1 1XECMM(+1.0), 1xIM(.5), 1xIVM(.5) Rk 2 1 1XECMM(+1.0), 1xIM(.5), 1xIVM(.5) Drone total 4 ship total 108.
FFS+ 75 includes +4 refit), Rk 1 2 XECMM(+2.0), 1xIVM(.5) drones total 2.5 ship total 77.5
Fleet total 497.5
Alex I read the rule all the way at the top, not realizing until a went through the list a second time that it was CL 54 and 55 rules were further down.
Lyran Short-tail Squadron
DWLB Battlecat (110): TBomb (+4), BP>Cmdo (+0.5) = 114.5
DWLB Thundercat (110): TBomb (+4), BP>Cmdo (+0.5) = 114.5
DWB+p Fire Cat (102): TBomb (+4) = 106
DWB+p Flame Cat (102): TBomb (+4) = 106
DWSB+ Cat's Eye (109): (109)
Total = 550
This hastily assembled squadron [as seen from its low level of supporting elements], has been sent to aid the Battle Cat with ...
Andromedan Invaders
Richard Eitzen
130 Python +5 10 Extra Boarding Parties +8 2T-Bombs +2 Two Commandoes
130 Mamba +5 10 Extra Boarding Parties +8 2T-Bombs +2 Two Commandoes
130 Mamba +5 10 Extra Boarding Parties +8 2T-Bombs +2 Two Commandoes
92 Eel +5 10 Extra Boarding Parties +8 2T-Bombs +2 Two Commandoes
542 Total
The rules for this BattleForce would have made the group I did last time perfect.
HOWEVER, I promised myself to let the player who normally posts for that race to do so; he is the master of their technologies and tactics.
With that in mind, I've come up with something... Different...
LUMBERING IN...
Chlorophon force by Jeff Anderson, U.S.S. Vegetative.
(Hey, with the tactics I have in mind, I could be said to be in a vegetative state.)
CA. 118 BPV. 3 T-bombs.
2xDD. 79 BPV each. 158 BPV. 2 T-bombs each.
3xFFA. 73 BPV each. 219 BPV. 2 T-bombs each.
Ship Total: 495 BPV.
13 T-bombs adds 52 BPV.
547 BPV by rough computations.
CA Movement cost is 1/2, so I think this is a valid group?
... Or do I have sawdust between the ears?
Is that CA size 3?
Jeff, Richard is right, the CA is SC 3. Also, having playtested Omega stuff and written a bit of Chlorophon tactics, don’t sleep on the DE and its ability to take ten T-bombs.
Actually, the rules say that no ship of size class 2 or a ship with a MC over 1.00 is allowed.
The place where I was a blockhead was that ships with a MC LESS than 0.33 are not allowed. This prohibits the Chlorophon FFs
I'm gonna need to revamp it. Quick...
I do still want a CA. Perhaps two of them?
Both accompanied by a wingman DD?
And, Alex, I do so LOOOOVVE T-bombs. 
Let's see...
2xCA. 236 BPV
2xDD. 118 BPV
1XDE. 84 BPV
Ship total? 438 so far.
Add 22 T-bombs (88 BPV) and we're up to 516 BPV.
In theory, I could upgrade one CA to a BC without violating the conditions, which will push me to 546 BPV.
Would the `Phon be okay with Keepers trained as Commandoes?
BTW: Anyone who has their hearts set on doing the `Phon, please shoot me an email. I chose them because I want to be involved in this SOMEway, but if anyone REALLY has their heart set on them, I'll happily withdraw.
The pinned post is for CL54. Look at the Archive through October 18th for the CL55 for the relevant Battle Group rules.
Quote:1. The BPV that can be spent to construct the force is limited to 550 points, including the BPV of all ships, fighters, drone speed upgrades, refits, and Commander’s Option Points. The battle group must adhere to the strictures and command limits set by (S8.0). No ship of size class 2 or size class 3 or with a movement cost of 0.67 or greater may be selected as part of this battle group.
Unless I read this wrong, the restrictions are: Size class 2, Size class 3, and ANYTHING with a move cost equal to or higher than 2/3rds. Cruisers of any sort seem to be verbotten, as each phrase is separated with an OR.
CL #55 is the one you want,
size class 4 fleet, perhaps a carrier or two:>
andro force is not allowed the Mambas and Python (2/3 move cost)
thinking on empire (may do an omega, enemy of the Chlorophon perhaps)
I only have the Omega 1 module; I think some of the Omegas may not have enough size class 4 and or the command rating to make 550 points,
all good
Eddie,
Unfortunately, I can‘t read your first post anymore.
Just to make sure that I don‘t create a force for the same empire later.
Yours is a Federation force, right?
It‘s not saying in your post, but I guess from the DDs and their BPVs, although your DDL with drones puzzled me. Is that supposed to be the DDG or did the plasma destroyer gained drone racks in a refit?
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Soeren Klein
Anyone know where the command rating for Andro sat ships can be found? I felt safe in assuming Mambas had a 6, but obviously that's not gonna fly.
Or if anyone can simply tell me the command rating of Cobras, Eels, and Recon Cobras that would work too.
The command rating for Andro COB, EEL and CBR is 4 for all.
(Probably 1x CBR, 4x COB and 1x EEL and a bucket of T-bombs for 550)
Captain Bane Carnivon Hellhound Squadron
by Wayne Power, HMAS Livingstone
1x DWL Bane (99): Y175 refit (+1) = 100
1x DW Arawn (92): Y175 refit (+1) = 93
1x DW Merida (92): Y175 refit (+1) = 93
1x FFL+ Actaeon (72): Y175 refit (+1) = 73
1x FFS+ Cernunnos (76): Y175 refit (+1), 1x T-bomb (+4) = 81
1x POL+ Neith (50): Y175 refit (+1), 1x T-bomb (+4) = 55
1x POL+ Artemis (50): Y175 refit (+1), 1x T-bomb (+4) = 55
Total = 550
SPP,
With my Carnivon force I have assumed order numbers 5 and 16 are correct, and order number 4 is not (about FLGs, POVs and POLs).
Wayne, why would you assume that?
INITIAL KZINTI FORCE POSTED BY TED FAY - DELETED BY AUTHOR
EAGLES IN THE SHADOWS - Rev 1
After sleeping on it and spending more time reading through R4J, I'm revising my alt-history Romulan force as follows:
BHB Shadowwing (100); 2x T-bombs (+8); 1x commandoes (+1) = 109
BHB Daggerwing (100); 2x T-bombs (+8); 1x commandoes (+1) = 109
WHB Shadowclaw (70); rear phaser refit (+3); 5x G-II fighters (+35); 2x T-bombs (+8) = 116
BHAB Skyshadow (97); 2x T-bombs (+8); 1x commandoes (+1) = 106
SKF Glaive-guisarme (110)
Force Total: 550
Nick Blank USS Ohio
Gorn Strike Force
BDL Fang (103), refit (+2), 2x T-Bomb (+8) = 113
BDD Venom (96), refit (+2), 2x Commando (+2), 2x T-Bomb (+8) = 108
BDD Swift Strike (96), refit (+2), 2x Commando (+2), 2x T-Bomb (+8) = 108
BDS Seeker of Prey (95), refit (+2), 2x T-Bomb (+8) = 105
FF Sunbasker (45), + refit (+5), 2x T-Bomb (+8) = 58
FF Windrider (45), + refit (+5), 2x T-Bomb (+8) = 58
TOTAL = 550
Kzinti "Game of Drones" Task Force
Ted "Sir CatWhoEatsPhotons" Fay, USS Texas
DWL Fighting Galaxy (98) with Y175 Refit (7), "Drone Package" (13.75), T-Bomb (4), 1*Commando BP (1), 1*Extra BP (0.5) = 124.25 BPV.
DD Pegasus (90) with Y175 Refit (4), "Drone Package" (13.75), T-Bomb (4), 1*Commando BP (1), 1*Extra BP (0.5) = 113.25 BPV.
DD Gryphon (90) with Y175 Refit (4), "Drone Package" (13.75), T-Bomb (4), 1*Commando BP (1), 1*Extra BP (0.5) = 113.25 BPV.
FFK 777 (80) with Y175 refit (4), "Drone Package" (13.75), 1*Commando BP (1), 1*Extra BP (0.5) = 99.25 BPV.
DWS Brilliant Eclipse (80) with Y175 refit (6), "Drone Package" (13.75) = 99.75 BPV.
Each ship has the same "Drone Package," as each ship has 2*C racks and 2*B racks (20 drone spaces in all). For this battle force, the "Drone Package" is defined as the following, and costs a total of 13.75 BPV (per ship, already accounted for above):
The number is the number of drones of the identified type. The "spaces" is the number of spaces the drone takes up in the racks. "Restricted Spaces" includes limited spaces to ensure the force stays within the 50% limitation for Kzinti ships under FD10.6 (up to 10 spaces of drones per ship, as each ship has 20 spaces among 4 racks; all 10 are used). "Limited spaces" are the number of spaces of limited drones to ensure the force stays within the 20% limitation for Kzinti ships under FD10.6 (up to 4 spaces of drones per ship, as each ship has 20 spaces among 4 racks; 2 of 4 are used). "Cost per" is the cost per drone. "Total Cost" is the total cost to the package for all drones of that type. Summary and full drone descriptions are self-explanatory.
| Number | Spaces | Restricted Spaces | Limited Spaces | Cost Per | Total Cost | Summary | Full Drone Description |
| 2 | 2 | 2 | | 1.5 | 3 | ECM | Type I Drone with Medium speed (0.5), replacing warhead with ECM module (0), ATG guidance (0.5), extended range (0.5) |
| 2 | 4 | 4 | | 0.5 | 1 | Heavy Armored | Type IV Drone with Medium speed (0.5), replacing 1 space of warhead with internal armor (0) (10 hit points, 12 warhead) |
| 2 | 4 | 0 | | 0.5 | 1 | Heavy | Type IV Drone with Medium speed (0.5) (6 hit points, 24 warhead) |
| 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 3.25 | 3.25 | Multi Warhead | Type I Drone with Medium speed (0.5), replacing warhead with multiwarhead and 3*Type VI drones with medium speed (3.25). Bus drone has 4 HP, 0 Warhead. 3*submunitions with 3 HP and dogfight warheads |
| 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1.5 | 1.5 | Swordfish | Type 1 Drone with Medium speed (0.5), replacing warhead with Swordfish drone (1) (4 hit points, 1 shot type-III phaser for warhead) |
| 2 | 2 | 2 | | 0.5 | 1 | Light Armored | Type 1 Drone with Medium speed (0.5), replacing 0.5 warhead with 0.5 internal armor (0) (6 hit points, 6 warhead) |
| 6 | 6 | 0 | | 0.5 | 3 | Standard | Type I Drone with Medium speed (0.5) (4 hit points, 12 warhead) |
| | | | | | | |
| 16 | 20 | 10 | 2 | N/A | 13.75 | <----------------- | Totals |
Total BPV = 549.75