I like that drone load out page

By Jeff Anderson (Jga) on Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - 01:29 pm: Edit

The Chlorophon group I've come up with is not allowed because of the prohibition on Size Class 3 vessels.

Furthermore, due to the low Command Rating of the Chlorophon Destroyer, any legally constructed group would be too small to be viable in most any conceivable scenario.

Although the potential exists for a purely DDE group, IMO, a fleet of minelayers would, if it didn't violate the formal rules, undoubtedy do so to the spirit of this project.

For this reason, I wish to withdraw the Chlorophon group from this Battleforce 550 project.

Respectfully yours

Jeff the Dingbat.

(Not to be confused with any of the other Jeffs; we seem to outnumber everyone but the Steves. )

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - 01:40 pm: Edit

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I only have the Omega 1 module; I think some of the Omegas may not have enough size class 4 and or the command rating to make 550 points,

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By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - 01:44 pm: Edit

Andromedan force

Richard Eitzen, San Diego California

83 Cobra #1 +2 4 Extra Boarding Parties +8 2T-Bombs +1 Two Commando
83 Cobra #2 +2 4 Extra Boarding Parties +8 2T-Bombs +1 Two Commando.
83 Cobra #3 +2 4 Extra Boarding Parties +8 2T-Bombs +1 Two Commando.
83 Cobra #4 +2 4 Extra Boarding Parties +8 2T-Bombs +1 Two Commando.
92 Recon Cobra +1 2 Extra Boarding Parties +4 1T-Bombs +1 One Commando
70 Eel +1 2 Extra Boarding Parties +4 1T-Bomb +1 one commando.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - 01:48 pm: Edit

@Gregory. Thanks!

Just for grins and giggles I calculated the theoretical maximum number of drones my battle force legally could have on the map at any one time.

61!

If facing a 6 ship force, that's 10 drones on the map for each enemy ship!

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - 03:07 pm: Edit

Alex Chobot:

Use of the BHB is allowed.

If anyone cannot read the instructions because they. have slipped offscreen. let me know.

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - 03:41 pm: Edit

Wayne Douglas Power:

Yes, you are correct, I failed to correct paragraph #3.

Respectfully:

Steven P.

By Patrick Sledge (Decius) on Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - 04:03 pm: Edit

Hydran One Trick Pony
Patrick Sledge, USS Ohio

UH+ (118) Fighters: 10x Stinger-2(+100), 4x Stinger-H (+40), 2x Stinger-E (+24); Fighter Pod Stockpile: 32x Electronic Warfare, 16xPhaser, 30x Cargo, 2x Sensor(+0) = 282
DA+ (100) Fighters: 6x Stinger-2 (+60); Fighter Pod Stockpile: 12x Electronic Warfare, 6xPhaser, 11x Cargo, 1x Sensor(+0) = 160
2x AH (108) = 108

Total = 550


Once I realized how the math works out on this, it just had to be done. Who needs points left over for commanders options when you have Stingers? So many Stingers...

By Eddie E Crutchfield (Librarian101) on Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - 04:27 pm: Edit

Just to make sure that I don‘t create a force for the same empire later.
Yours is a Federation force, right?

Correct it is federation. Since it is over 60 minutes old I cannot edit. Fat fingers on the versions.

Edited 10/19/2022 4:31PM

Federation
The 3rd rides again.
Ed Crutchfield USS Michigan
10/18/2022 917PM

DD+ includes +6 refit) 100 1TB(=+4 ) 104
DD+ 100 includes +6 refit)1TB(=+4 ) 104
DDL+ 100includes +6 refit) 1TB(=+4 ) 104 104
DDG+ 100,includes +6 refit) 1 TB(4). Rk 1 1XECMM(+1.0), 1xIM(.5), 1xIVM(.5) Rk 2 1 1XECMM(+1.0), 1xIM(.5), 1xIVM(.5) Drone total 4 ship total 108.
FFS+ 75 includes +4 refit), Rk 1 2 XECMM(+2.0), 1xIVM(.5) drones total 2.5 ship total 77.5

Fleet total 497.5

By Alex Chobot (Alendrel) on Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - 04:57 pm: Edit

Eddie, you are leaving a lot of points on the table there - this is a 550 BPV Battle Group, not 500. You can easily upgrade the FFS+ to a SC+ or FBS, for example, or swap one of the DD+ for a DDG+, and spread out some more T-bombs and or Commander's Options.

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - 05:30 pm: Edit

Eddie Crutchfield:

The Federation only built one (1) DDF, named the Two Moons. It was destroyed (by a monster no less) and so is not (I am sorry to say) available in this situation.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - 05:41 pm: Edit

@Patrick:

I love the Hydran force. 22 fighters. GAH!

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - 05:50 pm: Edit

Resubmitted to add name and state -

Lyran Short-tail Squadron
Stewart Frazier, USS Ohio

DWLB Battlecat (110): TBomb (+4), BP>Cmdo (+0.5) = 114.5
DWLB Thundercat (110): TBomb (+4), BP>Cmdo (+0.5) = 114.5
DWB+p Fire Cat (102): TBomb (+4) = 106
DWB+p Flame Cat (102): TBomb (+4) = 106
DWSB+ Cat's Eye (109): (109)

Total = 550

This hastily assembled squadron [as seen from its low level of supporting elements], has been sent to aid the Battle Cat with ...

By Eddie E Crutchfield (Librarian101) on Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - 08:27 pm: Edit

Federation
The 3rd rides again.
Ed Crutchfield USS Michigan
10/19/2022 8:20PM

DD+ 100 includes +6 refit)2TB(=+8)2BP(+1) 109
DD+ 100 includes +6 refit)2TB(=+8)2BP(+1) 109
DDG+ 100includes +6 refit) Rk 1 1XECMM(+1.0), 1xIM(.5), 1xIVM(.5) Rk 2 1 1XECMM(+1.0), 1xIM(.5), 1xIVM(.5) Drone total 4 2TB(+8)1BP(+.5) ship total 112.5.
DDL+ 100,includes +6 refit) 2TB(+4), 2TB(+1) ship total 109.
FBS 100 , Rk 1 2XECMM(+2.0),1xIVM(.5)Drone total 2.5 2TB(8)ship total 110.5

Fleet total 550

By wayne douglas power (Wayne) on Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - 10:55 pm: Edit

Version 2 (forgot the DB speeds)

Carnivon Hellhound Squadron
by Wayne Power, HMAS Livingstone

1x DWL Bane (99): Y175 refit (+1), DB sp20 (+3) = 103
1x DW Arawn (92): Y175 refit (+1), DB sp20 (+3) = 96
1x DW Merida (92): Y175 refit (+1), DB sp20 (+3) = 96
1x FFL+ Actaeon (72): Y175 refit (+1), DB sp20 (+3) = 76
1x FFS+ Cernunnos (76): Y175 refit (+1), DB sp20 (+3), 1x T-bomb (+4) = 84
1x PV Artemis (50), with 5x JK-3 fighters (9 each) = 95

Total = 550

...remember to check the forces submitted

By wayne douglas power (Wayne) on Thursday, October 20, 2022 - 06:40 am: Edit

Version 3, I have been reading up on the Carnivons, and having a coffee or two.

Carnivon Hellhound Squadron
by Wayne Power HMAS Livingstone

DW Bane (92): Y175 refit (+1), DB sp20 (+3) = 96
DW Arawn (92): Y175 refit (+1), DB sp20 (+3) = 96
DW Merida (92): Y175 refit (+1), DB sp20 (+3) = 96
FFL+ Actaeon (72): Y175 refit (+1), DB sp20 (+3) = 76
PLV Artemis (50): with 3x JK-3, and 3x HY-2 fighters (9each), 4 extra BPs (+2) = 106
FLG+ Cernunnos (68): 1x MRS (+8), 1x T-bomb (+4) = 80


Total = 550

By Eddie E Crutchfield (Librarian101) on Thursday, October 20, 2022 - 03:17 pm: Edit

Sorry Steve I was thinking DDL not DDF opps.

By Jeff Anderson (Jga) on Thursday, October 20, 2022 - 03:59 pm: Edit

Attempt number two; Hiver group.

Hiver Patrol Flotilla
By Jeff Anderson, U.S.S. California

CA (Insert Hiver Name #1 here) (75): 2xBarb-2 (+28), 1xT-bomb (+4) = 107
CA (Insert Hiver Name #2 here) (75): 2xBarb-2 (+28), 1xT-bomb (+4) = 107
CV (Insert Hiver Name #3 here) (65): 6xBarb-2 (+84), 1xT-bomb (+4) = 153
CME (Insert Hiver Name #4 here) (60): 2xBarb-2 (+28), 1xT-bomb (+4) = 92
CME (Insert Hiver Name #5 here) (60): 2xBarb-2 (+28), 1xT-bomb (+4) = 92

Total = 551

I shall be reconsidering some options to bring this group down within the formal 550 point limit.

I shall also be looking into some names this time.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Thursday, October 20, 2022 - 04:14 pm: Edit

Kzinti "Game of Drones" Task Force

Revision 1 (corrects some minor typos that could have caused confusion in the drone packages - force disposition and drone load-outs have not changed).

Ted "Sir CatWhoEatsPhotons" Fay, USS Texas

DWL Fighting Galaxy (98) with Y175 Refit (7), "Drone Package" (13.75), T-Bomb (4), 1*Commando BP (1), 1*Extra BP (0.5) = 124.25 BPV.

DD Pegasus (90) with Y175 Refit (4), "Drone Package" (13.75), T-Bomb (4), 1*Commando BP (1), 1*Extra BP (0.5) = 113.25 BPV.

DD Gryphon (90) with Y175 Refit (4), "Drone Package" (13.75), T-Bomb (4), 1*Commando BP (1), 1*Extra BP (0.5) = 113.25 BPV.

FFK 777 (80) with Y175 refit (4), "Drone Package" (13.75), 1*Commando BP (1), 1*Extra BP (0.5) = 99.25 BPV.

DWS Brilliant Eclipse (80) with Y175 refit (6), "Drone Package" (13.75) = 99.75 BPV.

Each ship has the same "Drone Package," as each ship has 2*C racks and 2*B racks (20 drone spaces in all). For this battle force, the "Drone Package" is defined as the following, and costs a total of 13.75 BPV (per ship, already accounted for above):

The number is the number of drones of the identified type. The "spaces" is the number of spaces the drone takes up in the racks. "Restricted Spaces" includes limited spaces to ensure the force stays within the 50% limitation for Kzinti ships under FD10.6 (up to 10 spaces of drones per ship, as each ship has 20 spaces among 4 racks; all 10 are used). "Limited spaces" are the number of spaces of limited drones to ensure the force stays within the 20% limitation for Kzinti ships under FD10.6 (up to 4 spaces of drones per ship, as each ship has 20 spaces among 4 racks; 2 of 4 are used). "Cost per" is the cost per drone. "Total Cost" is the total cost to the package for all drones of that type. Summary and full drone descriptions are self-explanatory.

Drone Package Definition:

Number	Spaces	Restricted Spaces	Limited Spaces	Cost Per	Total Cost	Summary	Full Drone Description
2	2	2		1.5	3	ECM	Type I Drone with Medium speed (0.5), replacing warhead with ECM module (0), ATG guidance (0.5), extended range (0.5)
2	4	4		0.5	1	Heavy Armored	Type IV Drone with Medium speed (0.5), replacing 1 space of warhead with internal armor (0) (10 hit points, 12 warhead)
2	4	0		0.5	1	Heavy	Type IV Drone with Medium speed (0.5) (6 hit points, 24 warhead)
1	1	1	1	3.25	3.25	Multi Warhead	Type I Drone, upgrading to medium speed multiwarhead frame with 3*Type VI medium speed submutition drones (3.25). (Bus drone has 4 HP, 0 Warhead. 3*submunitions with 3 HP and dogfight warheads)
1	1	1	1	1.5	1.5	Swordfish	Type 1 Drone with Medium speed (0.5), replacing warhead with Swordfish drone (1) (4 hit points, 1 shot type-III phaser for warhead)
2	2	2		0.5	1	Light Armored	Type 1 Drone with Medium speed (0.5), replacing 0.5 warhead with 0.5 internal armor (0) (6 hit points, 6 warhead)
6	6	0		0.5	3	Standard	Type I Drone with Medium speed (0.5) (4 hit points, 12 warhead)
16	20	10	2	N/A	13.75	<-----------------	Totals

By Soeren Klein (Ogdrklein) on Thursday, October 20, 2022 - 04:16 pm: Edit

Klingon Battlegroup 55

Soeren Klein, FGS Schleswig-Holstein

Northern Fleet DesRon "Valkyrja"

F5L "IKV Raogrior" (97): Y175 refit (+4); 2xTB (+8); 6xType-IM, 2xType-IVM, 2xType-IIIM-ECM (+6); 4xExtra BP, 2xcommando squads, 2xHW-squad (+6) = 121

F5 "IKV Skalmold" (71): B refit (+5), K refit (+2), +3 Y175 refit (+3); 2xTB (+8); 3xType-IM, 1xType-IVM, 1xType-IIIM-ECM (+3); 4xExtra BP, 1xCombat Engineers, 2xcommando squads (+5) = 97

E5 "IKV Sanngrior" (77): UIM refit (+5), K refit (+2), Y175 refit (+2); 2xTB (+8); 6xType-IM, 2xType-IVM, 2xType-IIIM-ECM (+6); 4xExtra BP, 2xcommando squads, 2xHW-squad (+6) = 106

F5D "IKV Geiravor" (90): B refit (+3); Y175 refit (+0); 2xTB (+8); 8xType-IM-ATG, 4xType-IVM, 14xType-IM (+17); 4xExtra BP, 1xCombat Engineers, 2xcommando squads (+5) = 123

F5S "IKV Gondul" (80): B refit (+5), Y175 refit (+3); 2xTB (+8); 4xType-IM, 1xType-IM-ATG-Probe, 2xType-IIIM-ECM (+4);4xExtra BP, 1xcommando squad (+3) = 103

Total of 550pts

Drone loadout breakdown:

F5L/E5: 2 B-rack (12 drone spaces with two reloads)
-> 6 Type-IM each for 0.5pts (speed upgrade) for a total cost of +3
-> 2 Type-IVM for 0.5 (speed upgrade) = total cost of +1
-> 2 Type-IIIM-ECM for 0.5(speed upgrade) + 0.0 (replacing warhead with ECM module) + 0.5 (frame)= total cost of +2

F5: 1 B-rack (6 drone spaces with two reloads)
-> 3 Type-IM each for 0.5pts (speed upgrade) for a total cost of +1.5
-> 1 Type-IVM for 0.5 (speed upgrade) = total cost of +0.5
-> 1 Type-IIIM-ECM for 0.5(speed upgrade) + 0.0 (replacing warhead with ECM module) + 0.5 (frame)= total cost of +1

F5S: 1 B-rack (6 drone spaces with two reloads)
-> 4 Type-IM each for 0.5pts (speed upgrade) for a total cost of +2
-> 1 Type-IM-ATG-Probe for 0.5 (speed upgrade) + 0.0 (replacing warhead with probe module) + 0.5 (ATG) = total cost of +1
-> 1 Type-IIIM-ECM for 0.5(speed upgrade) + 0.0 (replacing warhead with ECM module) + 0.5 (frame)= total cost of +1

F5D: 5 B-rack (30 drone spaces and two reloads)
-> 8xType-IM-ATG each for 0.5pts (speed upgrade) + 0.5pts(ATG) = total cost of +8
-> 4xType-IVM eachg for 0.5pts (speed upgrade) = total cost of +2
-> 14xType-IM each for 0.5pts (speed upgrade) for a total cost of +7

Naming:
The ships names are coming from a list of valkyries of the Norse mythology whose meanings roughly translate per wikipedia:

Raogrior = Council-truce or possibly "the bossy"
Skalmold = Sword-time
Sanngrior = Very violent, very cruel
Geiravor = sqear-goddess
Gondul = wand-wielder

I hope the diviation from the Ship Name registry is acceptable. Otherwise I would change it.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Soeren Klein

By David Jannke (Bigslowtarget) on Friday, October 21, 2022 - 01:40 am: Edit

Hmm, why is the MW drone in the Kzinti drone package not 0.5 (bus speed to M) + 2.5 (warhead) - 0.5 (credit explosive warhead) + 1.5 (upgrade 3xVI to M) = 4?

Do your heavy single space of armor drones not only cost 1 restricted space each (counted on warhead - but minimum 1 - when the modification does not effect the entire frame)?

Have I been doing that wrong somehow?

Also could save 0.5*2 by using a standard III-ECM as you have Limited slots left over.

By Soeren Klein (Ogdrklein) on Friday, October 21, 2022 - 05:26 am: Edit

SPP,

I'd like to ask you about the correct YIS of the klingon F5W.

I omitted it from my force because my copy of R6 and G3 say its YIS is Y176, and it would therefore violate the battleforce rules.

In F&E SIT the F5W has a YIS of Y175 and the OOB from the warbook website allows the klingons to build F5Ws in spring 175.

Would you please tell me which one is correct?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Soeren Klein

By Tim Longacre (Timl) on Friday, October 21, 2022 - 05:43 am: Edit

Richard Eitzen, Pythons and Mambas have a command rating of 5. They are also SC 4 units with a movement cost of 0.67, meaning that your initial force was workable within the constraints set forth by SPP.
If you are opting for the Cobra force, you should probably note that it's replacing your original force (I apologize if I missed that note).

By A David Merritt (Adm) on Friday, October 21, 2022 - 06:05 am: Edit

Soeren Klein

Per G3, the F5W YIS is Y176.

By Soeren Klein (Ogdrklein) on Friday, October 21, 2022 - 06:53 am: Edit

ADM,

thanks for the quick reply.

Yes, I saw that data too, and confirmed it with the R6 MSC, when I created my entry for the recent battleforce.

Yet, the updated SIT and OOB posted on the Warbook Annex page contradict this and say its Y175.
(http://www.starfleetgames.com/F&EWarbookAnnexes.shtml)
I tried a keyword search on the F&E section of the BBS but for no avail.
Maybe it was changed sometime ago and will be updated in the upcoming R6 update.

I'm fine with either right or wrong on Y175 on the SIT. But if it really got changed sometime in the past, I decided to take the chance and asked the higher power for a ruling.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Soeren Klein