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Lorilyll (to be fleshed out and formatted by me asap)
6x DD
Two or them have one t-bomb each.
SPP, may I request an amendment to the current force creation rules? Currently, the lowest movement cost vessels allowed by the force creation rules are those with a movement cost of 0.33.
However, certain Omega races have some excellent movement cost 0.25 vessels. Among this list are the Trobrin and Drex Patrollers, the Iridani Sloop, the Bolosco Express Boat, Hiver Light Cruisers, and the Chlorophon Frigates. While not all are good combat vessels, some of them have a good deal of flexibility.
Would it be possible to amend the force construction rules to allow, with permission, the inclusion of movement cost 0.25 vessels in a potential battle group?
On another note, Ginger, your force currently sits at 548 BPV 
Yeah. I was going to add some commandos when I flesh it out.
Dal Downing USS Wisconsin
Hydrant Patrol Carrier Task Force
UH+ (118)
16 Stingers-2 (160)
DWA (93)
AH+ (54)
SC (60)
Total 485
@Dal Downing HydranT ? ;)
Klingon Battlegroup 550 Rev 1 (Oct 30th)
Soeren Klein, FGS Schleswig-Holstein
Northern Fleet's DesRon "Valkyrja"
F5L "IKV Raogrior" (97): Y175 refit (+4); 2xTB (+8); 6xType-IM, 2xType-IVM, 2xType-IIIM-ECM (+6); 4xExtra BP, 2xcommando squads (+4) = 119
F5 "IKV Skalmold" (71): B refit (+5), K refit (+2), Y175 refit (+3); 2xTB (+8); 3xType-IM, 1xType-IVM, 1xType-IIIM-ECM (+3); 4xExtra BP, 2xcommando squads (+4) = 96
E5 "IKV Sanngrior" (77): UIM refit (+5), K refit (+2), Y175 refit (+2); 2xTB (+8); 6xType-IM, 2xType-IVM, 2xType-IIIM-ECM (+6); 4xExtra BP, 2xcommando squads, (+4) = 104
F5S "IKV Gondul" (80): B refit (+5), Y175 refit (+3); 1xTB (+4); 4xType-IM, 1xType-IM-ATG-Probe, 1xType-IIIM-ECM (+4);2xExtra BP, 1xCombat Engineers, 1xcommando squad (+3) = 99
E4 "IKV Rota" (55): B-refit (+4), Y175-refit (+3); 3xType-IM, 1xType-IVM, 1xType-IIIM-ECM (+3); 2x Extra BP (+1) = 66
E4 "IKV Guor" (55): B-refit (+4), Y175-refit (+3); 3xType-IM, 1xType-IVM, 1xType-IIIM-ECM (+3); 2x Extra BP (+1) = 66
Total of 550 points.
Seeing so many entries with drones or a sixth ship I decided to drop the F5D in favor für two E4Bs and their disruptors and ADDs.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Soeren Klein
Dal, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I remembered another Hydran posting. On October 19, 4:03 time stamp, Patrick Sledge posted a carrier group based around a Uhlan. I don't know if he chose to try something else, but at this point, I think Hydrans have been taken.
(Aaand on another note, please DON'T put a "T" on the end of "Hydran" unless it's an invitation to the Carnivrons to do their business all over you... )
Jeff Anderson,
"Currently, the lowest movement cost vessels allowed by the force creation rules are those with a movement cost of 0.33."
The 18th of October in this archive is the rules for CL #55 Battle Group 550 (The one above is for CL#54)
I forgot Google drive exists and I have the scanned SSDs.
Lorilyll
DD Lacewing (90): 1xT-bomb (+4); Convert one boarding party to commando squad (+0.5) = 94.5
DD Racewing (90): 1xT-bomb (+4); Convert one boarding party to commando squad (+0.5) = 94.5
DD Swallowtail (90): Convert one boarding party to commando squad (+0.5) = 90.5
DD Pipewing (90): Convert one boarding party to commando squad (+0.5) = 90.5
DD Postman (90)
DD Atala (90)
Total = 550.
Thank you, Wayne.
Now slamming my head against the wall, feeling like an idjit...
First off withdrawing my hydrant force as it was already taken.
Next dang spell checker strikes again!!!
ISC DESRON OF PEACE
DAL DOWNING USS WISCONSIN
CVE 1 100 100
FDF 7 13 91
FDE 1 12 12
DDE 1 88 88
DDG 1 94 94
SC 1 126 126
511
More to follow
May whomever created spell checker rot in he'll.
Dal Downing,
CL #55,
5. "All escorts must have full aegis unless their ship description says they never received full aegis,"
The DE needs to be a DEA, the DDG is Y177 (this scenario is for Y175), and the escort for the CVE are normally is 2x FFA (R13.30).
I've seen differing answers on both sides: are ships with a movement cost of .25 allowed? If so then I need to consider replacing one DD with an SC.
Ginger, When Wayne suggested I check the October 18 archive, I saw that there is no minimum movement cost for ships in THIS BattleForce.
Technically speaking, I could stack up Destroyers, if I wanted to (MC 0.20)
(P.S.: I don't want to. )
From the rules for this group."1. The BPV that can be spent to construct the force is limited to 550 points, including the BPV of all ships, fighters, drone speed upgrades, refits, and Commander’s Option Points. The battle group must adhere to the strictures and command limits set by (S8.0). No ship of Size Class 2 or with a movement cost greater than 1.00 may be selected as part of this battle group. No ship with a movement cost less than 0.33 may be selected as part of this battle group."
Updated for movement cost .25 scout.
Lorilyll
DD Lacewing (90): 1xT-bomb (+4); Convert one boarding party to commando squad (+0.5) = 94.5
DD Racewing (90): 1xT-bomb (+4); Convert one boarding party to commando squad (+0.5) = 94.5
DD Swallowtail (90): Convert one boarding party to commando squad (+0.5) = 90.5
DD Pipewing (90): Convert one boarding party to commando squad (+0.5) = 90.5
DD Postman (90)
SC Atala (90)
Total = 550.
Quote:From the rules for this group."1. The BPV that can be spent to construct the force is limited to 550 points, including the BPV of all ships, fighters, drone speed upgrades, refits, and Commander’s Option Points. The battle group must adhere to the strictures and command limits set by (S8.0). No ship of Size Class 2 or with a movement cost greater than 1.00 may be selected as part of this battle group. No ship with a movement cost less than 0.33 may be selected as part of this battle group."
Apparently there's a bad post with old information in it. It would be great if it could be edited since several people have been confused by it.
Ginger that is the wrong rules from the pinned Captain Log #54 Rule.
See the rules for Captain Log #55 posted on October 18 @5:17.
1. The BPV that can be spent to construct the force is limited to 550 points, including the BPV of all ships, fighters, drone speed upgrades, refits, and Commander’s Option Points. The battle group must adhere to the strictures and command limits set by (S8.0). No ship of size class 2 or size class 3 or with a movement cost of 0.67 or greater may be selected as part of this battle group.
Ginger, it appears that, by popular opinion, your group is legitimate.
May I respectfully suggest that unless there is an executive decision posted by SPP, it be regarded as a group constructed in accordance with the parameters given?
When working with a lot of small ships, check your Command Rating.
Quote:When working with a lot of small ships, check your Command Rating.
Most forces should be within the limits as long as they contain one destroyer with a CR of 5. It's hard to get too many ships with only 550 points. Possible but hard.
And remember that "Free Scouts" do NOT count against command ratings.
Looking back Gingers is correct. Possibly could one of the administrators pin the correct version at the top just in case there are other questions and we dont have to dig back through the posts every time to find it.
I have a rules question with regards to BattleForce 550 groups.
While I am quite happy with the group I have (six Hiver CA with two Barb-2 each), it occurred to me that other players may be having difficulties building a BattleForce for a favorite race due to low F&E CMD ratings.
The rule in question is in the section on creating Battle Groups. In this case, COMPONENTS OF A BATTLE GROUP (S8.282) says, in part, "No more than three of the ships in a battle group can be size class 3..."
It gives no minimum number.
Therefore, for those players who may be having difficulty building a group due to no ships available for their preferred race having a CR higher than four, is it legal to build a Battle Group using NO ships of SC3?