Holy crap! That fighter ruling completely changes the dynamic for a lot of us!

By Ginger McMurray (Gingermcmurray) on Wednesday, November 30, 2022 - 02:26 pm: Edit

Can a fighter take the information off of the map or does it have to be on board a ship?

By Jeff Anderson (Jga) on Wednesday, November 30, 2022 - 03:45 pm: Edit

I had been thinking about having one (or more?) of my Barb having access to one of those pods, but decided that the BPV cost and how much pods on rails slow the fighters down so I opted to NOT use that capability.

C'est la Guerre.

While a fighter MIGHT be allowed to take the information off the board, I'd imagine that, unless there's also a ship (which likewise will be able to take the information off the board) that exits as well, the limited strategic range of fighters will mean that it is lost before recovery, thus rendering the use of fighters in that role an academic exercise, nothing more.

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Wednesday, November 30, 2022 - 04:08 pm: Edit

Information not on a ship is lost. A fighter leavign the board, even an EWF with pods, is lost. Only ships can leave the map and survive. But on leaving the map are no longer eligible to recieve information.

By Ginger McMurray (Gingermcmurray) on Wednesday, November 30, 2022 - 04:15 pm: Edit

Hallelujah! I'd forgotten the words "fully-capable" in the rules for free pods. That's great to know in that it saves me from a massive amount of data loss to ten "flying labs." It's also a slight annoyance in that I have to go back to the drawing board a third time for my tactics. I was almost done with the basic framework of what I'd do to fight those little buggers and their pods.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Wednesday, November 30, 2022 - 04:17 pm: Edit

Soeren Klein,

I would be well pleased to send you some of my drones.

In fact, here's a few of them now...

Kzinti Drone Swarm Test Run

>8)

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Wednesday, November 30, 2022 - 04:36 pm: Edit

Jeff Guthridge:

I am sorry, but once the scenario is revealed it is too late to allow anyone to "adjust" their forces. The theory of the battle forces is that they are composed of ships which happened to be nearby and were ordered in, not that they "knew in advance" what they would be asked to accomplish. I can assure you that I had determined that you would, in the end, be asked to gather information here, and trying to prevent your opponent from gathering it.

By wayne douglas power (Wayne) on Wednesday, November 30, 2022 - 04:50 pm: Edit

Greg,

"I looked to see what the ISC force is. I noticed it was a bit incomplete. Checked for a updated force but cannot find any updates."

I had noted twice about the ISC force that it had the wrong escorts for a CVE and that the DDG is Y177 not Y175

By Dal Downing (Rambler) on Wednesday, November 30, 2022 - 05:31 pm: Edit

Guys I just spent 2 weeks in the Hospital with an infection. Came out with only 9.5 Fingers.

I was thinking I had to untill today to fix my escorts. If allowed I will submit a compliant Escort group with as little change to the hulls as possible but not use an Commander Options.

Staying true to the Escort Carrier and Scout the Squad would look like.

CVE 1 100 100
FDF 7 13 91
FDE 1 12 12
FFA 1 77 77
FFA 1 77 77
SC 1 126 126
483

If this is acceptable I will clean it up and resubmit it in its own post. If my opponent agree I would spend my remaining points bon BP upgrades and a few TBombs. If not I fully understand.

By Alex Chobot (Alendrel) on Wednesday, November 30, 2022 - 05:39 pm: Edit

Ohh this going to be fun! I'm really glad I decided to include that SkyHawk-F now

By Alex Chobot (Alendrel) on Wednesday, November 30, 2022 - 06:34 pm: Edit

SPP: Is there a particular mechanism for ships to share info? Or is it shared amongst all ships automatically (i.e. one keeps a running total collected, except for fighters with EW pods, that keep their own tallies until they land aboard a ship)?

By Michael F Guntly (Ares) on Wednesday, November 30, 2022 - 06:46 pm: Edit

The car show ended a day early.
The Flivvers are returning to their storage facility for a thorough cleaning and waxing, to await the next display.

By Gregory S Flusche (Vandar) on Wednesday, November 30, 2022 - 07:11 pm: Edit

I do not mind the changes to make it legal. It will really be up to Steve to decide. I was unsure of the number of needed escorts. As below a Size class 4 carrier may have only 1 size class 4 escort. But can have 2. Your DDG can be a DDL or DD.

(S8.315) Players may adapt the “flexible group”
rules from F&E
(515.0). These can be summarized as follows: Carriers are divided
into three types (size class 2, size class 3, and size class 4). Size
class 2 carriers must have three escorts and can have four. Size
class 3 carriers must have two escorts and can have three. Size class
4 carriers must have one escort and can have two. At least one
escort must be size class 4, but otherwise, players may select any
escorts available in the selected year so long as they are of the same
empire. Non-carrier escorts cannot be used as carrier escorts in SFB

You could have your force just change the DDG to a DDL or DD. Buy COs and be ready..

But it is up to Steve... so Good luck

By Dal Downing (Rambler) on Wednesday, November 30, 2022 - 07:40 pm: Edit

Gregory Flusche that was exactly my original intention but, according to Wayne Power the CVE requires 2 Agies Escorts.

I was trying to find a confirmation to this when my Finger suddenly got ideals of it own. Since I could not find information to allow the DDE I went with the best info I had on hand and will bite the bullet with a suboptimal force if it SPP agrees other wise I will yield the field and you can fight the 2 Escort force

By Gregory S Flusche (Vandar) on Wednesday, November 30, 2022 - 07:55 pm: Edit

Steve Petrick: can You give a ruling for the ISC force please.

The original post shows CVE with 8 ftrs.
1 DE 1 DDG and scout.

It is a size class 4 carrier so one size class 4 escort should be fine? The DDG is to late but a DD or DDL still fits the cost. or does he have to have the stated escorts for the CVE..

By A David Merritt (Adm) on Wednesday, November 30, 2022 - 09:11 pm: Edit

Which turn is TURN # ?

By Ginger McMurray (Gingermcmurray) on Thursday, December 01, 2022 - 08:19 am: Edit

Is the optional hidden mines rule in use?

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Thursday, December 01, 2022 - 09:14 am: Edit

Lol. If it was, it would be specified already.

By Ginger McMurray (Gingermcmurray) on Thursday, December 01, 2022 - 09:34 am: Edit

Thanks. I assume that's always the case for any optional rules?

By Ginger McMurray (Gingermcmurray) on Thursday, December 01, 2022 - 10:19 am: Edit

Adm, presumably it means Turn #1. Since nothing happens prior to the ships entering the map there is no reason to have any turns before they do.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Thursday, December 01, 2022 - 10:52 am: Edit

Gregory, (R13.30) states that the standard escorts were 2xFFA for Y175+.

By Alex Chobot (Alendrel) on Thursday, December 01, 2022 - 11:27 am: Edit

SPP: You said: “EWFs are treated as per (G4.13), so are fighters with EW pods.”

(G4.13) specifies that manned fighters with *sensor* pods count as admin shuttles for gathering info. Could you please confirm if fighters with EW pods is a scenario specific variance or if it should be fighters with sensor pods as per the rule?

Thanks!

By Ginger McMurray (Gingermcmurray) on Thursday, December 01, 2022 - 11:34 am: Edit

(G4.13) OTHER INFORMATION SOURCES: Administrative shuttles (J2.212), EW fighters (R1.F7), and probes (G5.2) may assist in obtaining (G4.1) information (only). These gather information based on their range to the target (and with their own die roll), which is presumably closer than the ship. Labs can be used in conjunction with scout sensors (G24.27) for enhanced information
gathering.

The term “administrative shuttles” includes (for purposes of this rule) manned MSS, manned MLS, and GAS shuttles. This rule also covers manned MRS and SWAC shuttles, and manned fighters with sensor pods (J11.42).

By Jeff Anderson (Jga) on Thursday, December 01, 2022 - 12:10 pm: Edit

On the fourth line of the paragraph telling us what the scenario is, SPP posted emphatically that shuttles are not able to collect the information requested. Labs, probes, and special sensors can, but not shuttles.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Thursday, December 01, 2022 - 12:25 pm: Edit

Kzinti tactics submitted.