Archive through July 20, 2003
Star Fleet Universe Discussion Board: Star Fleet Battles: SFB Proposals Board:
The "X" Files:
First Generation X-ships:
X1R The X-ship R Module:
Archive through July 20, 2003
Personally, I like regular SFB racial flavour (several races can share a single weapon system, while having different emphasis and doctrine). For instance the Klingons and Kzintis are quite different tactically, even though both use disruptors, drones and phasers. Each generation of Romulans plays differently, despite all being plasma ships with cloaks.
So I'm not really keen on proposals along the lines of giving left-handed drones to just the Kzinti while the Klinks monopolise corkscrew disruptors.
If X tech PFs are needed, everyone* will build them. Personally, I think PFs are pretty close to X tech anyhow (enough warp for speed 60, get 4 free EW, lend to whole squadrons...) and any improvements made once X-tech becomes so common and cheap that PFs can use it will be along the lines of "WBPs don't explode".
* except the Feds, who will make do with the speed 30 single space F-22 that has 18 damage points, ten drones and a two shot photon.
MJC,
Look later today; the Lyran Bobcat-X flotilla is almost done, and will be up later.
Okay, here are a few new posts:
Lyran Bobcat-X PF Flotilla
Klingon G1-X PF Flotilla (revised)
The Lyran PF is a bit strange; it has the extra P-1's, but there isn't any way to (legally) upgrade both rear P-3's to P-1's. I toyed with putting one in the center with an RA arc, but it really looked stupid, and didn't fit well at all. Also, you can add only 1 forward P-1 from the upgrade; again, a really weird look. So, with this draft, the extra P-1 you'd get from the P-3's get's moved to the front, for four total P-1's forward. With four P-1's and a pair of R15 Disruptors, these have really great forward firepower. The arcs on the P-1's in combination with an AA nimble turn mode should be enough to cover the rear if need be.
I also made the change on the G1X, moving P-1 number 3 to the ADD spot. That means giving them back their drone reloads, though, for a normal G-rack.
Why not make the Lyran phaser arcs FALS/FARS?
That seems a bit too drastic a change from FA. I did change it a bit, and added L and R to them, to mirror the disruptor arcs. Should work out pretty well, with that sort of coverage.
Any other X-PF's anyone want to see?
Mike:
The problem with the drone reloads is that, unless PFs are dramatically restructured, the crew can't get to the drone racks to reload them. Plus they have no space to store the reload drones.
If you must give them reloads, at least give them a single reload, not the full three.
And if you insist on continually making these conjectural PFs 
, could you make a conjectural version of the conjectural Fed PF? (If the X version only has one photon, go ahead and include two of the photon versions in the flotilla.)
And, if you are really feeling ambitious, give the Gorns a try. You haven't done a three engine one yet, and I want to see how you divide 8 boxes three ways. (Plus, they are one of the coolest PFs around.)
Mike,
Sure. As it happens, I already started an X version of the Fed Thunderbolt. It isn't complete yet, but here's the basics...
Federation Thunderbolt-X Flotilla (imcomplete)
Shouldn't be to hard to finish; just have to tweak the photon table for it, and decideo n a few other things.
These things aren't my idea; I'm just putting them up to stimulate conversation. I'll do any kind of samples folks want to see; just don't confuse them with being "mine" per se. The majority wanted to see the G1-X's the way they are now (full g-rack, no ADD's, rear P-1's.) That's why they are the way they are. Think of all these as communal property.
Okay, finished the following:
Romulan Centurion-X Advanced PF
Federation Thunderbolt-X Advanced PF
Gorn Pterodactyl-X Advanced PF
Only a few things to note. I bumped the range on the Fed PF photon to 15, to keep it even with the Klingon G1. Also, the Fed PF merits a third P-1; following the fed tradition, I put it on the center of the secondary hull with a 360-degree arc.
The Rom/Gorn PF's all carry plasma L's, with the idea being that they can be downloaded to F if need be; but, that the punch of an L is possible if they want it.
Mike,
Another characteristic third Fed phaser position would be FH.
Another option for the Gorn would be @x P1's each at FA+R/FA+L
Or one each at FA+R/L, LS/RS
Mike, Why would the Roms use the Centurion as the base for a X-PF? I'd think that they'd go for the Starhawk as a base hull...
But if you really want a nasty surprise, have the Rom X-PFL carry an NSM instaed of a T-Bomb...
The starhawk could afford L's, depending on the pod.
Mike Dowd,
I used the Centurion because it's what Xander asked me to do. None of these are my idea, per se...they're just what others wanted to see.
Hey, no problem... just curious, that's all...
No problem! It's a legit question; just wanted you to know why!
One of the thinks I don't like about the suposedly UNIVERSAL G-rack is that it can not fire more than obe Type VI drone per turn, despite the fact that the E-rack can fire 8 impulses apart and the G-rack can fire ADD rounds every impulse.
I propose that in some year ( Say Y197 ) all X1G-racks got the ability to fire type VI and IX drones at the same rate as the E-rack. ( possibly with an 8 impulse delay both before or after the firing of ADD rounds irrespective of a turn break ).
I'ld also like to see a return to the E-rack as a defensive weapon (Y195), say replacing the ADD of the X1 C7 analog, becuase of the increadible defensive power of the type IX drone. I think perhaps a change to 6 impulse delay between shots would make the selection more desirable especially after the changes to the X1 G-rack.
So we incorporate every ability in a single does-it-all drone rack?
It could get complicated. Not opposed to the idea but I'd prefer this be X2 tech.
Quote:So we incorporate every ability in a single does-it-all drone rack?
I was under the impression that the design goal of the G-rack was to do just that, surely Xsomthing G-rack would eventuall do a pretty good job of it.
Quote:It could get complicated. Not opposed to the idea but I'd prefer this be X2 tech.
Well I'ld like the X2 G-rack to be even better ( say shooting of dogfight drones every 3 impulses just like the X2E-rack.
One of the other things I don't like about GW and MY drone racks is that If I have a turn break and two Type IV drones in my C-racks it'll still take me 13 impulses ( including the impulses of both launches ) to put both those drones on the board.
If I have an old fashioned A-rack loaded up Type IV drones and a turn break; I can put them both out ( again 4 spaces of drones ) in just 9 impulses ( counting both impulses of launch ) which is much more rapid than the suposidly fast firing C-rack.
I would like to see at some point during the X1 period ( Say Y189 ) a change in the number of impulses between the launch of drones from a X1C-rack to 8 impulses ( instead of the current 12 ) to greatly reflect the fact that C-racks should fire fast!
It would also pave the way for the X2C-rack to fire with a 6 impulse break witout being an effective doubling of the RoF of the C-rack.
8 impulses is plenty.
Whether instituted for X1R or X2.
Mike Raper,
I like the idea of X Tech PF's but I do think the triple reloads on drone racks would be to much to carry on a ship of that size is simply to much.
Any reloads would be an improvement over GW-tech PFs, who do not carry any reloads.
Ya, one is enough. Since when do PF get a chance to reload anyway. One reload would out perform any PF life expectancy. (Either the PFs are destroyed of the scenario is won).
How do people stand on the idea of a TRUE two space module for the late X1 period, say Y197 onwards.
It would be a two space drone and have three payload spaces ( like the old X1 Type VIII ) and it could even have a restriction of only 2.5 spaces being explosive modules like the old Type VIII if the drone is too deadly with 3 spaces of explosive module.
So it would be as a Ph-3 swords fish a P3-24/10/32 drones.
As an armour drone, it would be 30/12/32.
As a spearfiash drone it would be 1-26/10/32 and 2/25/10/32 against X and GW ships respectively.
And as an attack ecm drone, it would be ECM-24/10/32.
We might even like to keep it as having three spaces of explosive modules for 36/10/32!
The drone could be count as limited availibility drone frame ( maybe dropping to Restricted during the X2 period ) and we could say that when faster drone speeds came about in the X2 period that the weight of all those warheads was so heavy in manovering that the drone would rupture at those higher speeds and thus an X2 true two space drone with the speeds of; and warheads of, X2 drones was never produced.
Sounds like something for X2, not X1R. (eom)
