Deception Fleets.

One of the things we did instead of rolling for false leads was to have "electronic fleets" or E-Fleets.

I don't remember what we charged for an e-fleet counter but it was like 10 or 20% what a normal fleet with those ships in it costed.

This provided for a way for deception without a lot of moderator rolls.

If you did not detect a fleet you could not react to it.

By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 07:00 pm: Edit

A Tech Block listing showing dependancies.

Varient Group Block ID Name Cost Requirements
0 0 Starship Tech Blocks
0 1 Frigates 0 0
0 2 Destroyers 1 1
0 3 Light Cruisers 2 2
0 4 Heavy Cruisers 2 3
0 5 Command Cruisers 2 4
0 6 Dreadnoughts 3 5
0 7 Battleships 5 6 36
0 8 War Cruisers 2 5
0 9 War Destroyers 2 8
0 10 Heavy Battlecruisers 3 6 9
0 11 Super-Heavy Cruisers 5 10
0 12 Heavy War Destroyers 3 9
0 13 Fast Cruisers 3 9
0 14 New Heavy Cruisers 3 9
0 15 Heavy Command Cruisers 3 9
0 16 Minor Variants 1 1
0 17 First Refits 3 16
0 18 Advanced Refits 5 17
0 19 Leaders 2 17
0 20 Freighters 1 1
0 21 Suicide Freighers 2 21 605
0 22 Small Q-Ships 2 2 20
0 23 Large Q-Ships 3 3 22
0 24 Monitors 4 4 23
0 25 Variants 2 3 16
0 26 Repair Ships 3 26
0 27 Survey Ships 3 25
0 28 Maulers 10 25
0 29 Stasis Field Ships 10 25
0 30 Scouts 3 27 404 407
0 31 Heavy Scouts 2 4 30
0 32 Troop Transports 3 25 1302
0 33 Carriers 3 25 609
0 34 Strike Carriers 2 5 33
0 35 Escorts 2 33
0 36 Full Aegis 5 18 35
0 37 Heavy Carriers 5 6 36
0 38 PF Tenders 5 25 702
0 39 Space Control Ships 8 37 38
0 40 Minesweepers 3 25 804
0 41 Drone Bombardment Ships 3 25 1009
0 42 Tugs 3 4 25
0 43 Combat Tugs 2 42
0 44 Light Tactical Transports 3 8 42
0 45 Pseudo Pods 1 42
0 46 Troop Pods 2 32 42
0 47 Carrier Pods 2 34 42
0 48 SCS Pods 3 38 47
0 49 Battle Pods 3 42
0 50 Light Battle Transports 2 44 49
0 51 Light Carrier Transports 2 47 50
0 52 X-Ships 25 32 36 38 40 512 513 Race Specific X-Technology
Y 0 53 CCH
Y 0 54 Fast Warp Tech Block
Y 0 55 NCA
1 100 Static Defenses
1 101 Commercial Platforms 0 0
1 102 SAMS 1 101
1 103 Mobile Bases 2 102
1 104 Fleet Repair Docks 2 26 103
1 105 Base Stations 3 4 104
1 106 Battle Stations 5 30 105
1 107 Starbases 10 106
1 108 Base Modules 2 105
1 109 Barracks Modules 2 32 108
1 110 Repiar Modules 2 108
1 111 Hangar Modules 2 108 611
1 112 PF Modules 2 38 108
1 113 Power Modules 3 108
1 114 Small Ground Bases 1 101
1 115 Ground Power Stations 2 113 114
1 116 Ground Fighter Bases 2 111 114
1 117 Federation Planetary Control Base 3 116
1 118 Ground PF Baes 2 112 114
1 119 Planetary Control Base 3 118
1 120 Ground Phaser-1/2 Base 2 114
1 121 Ground Combat Bases 2 120
1 122 Ground Phaser-4 Bases 3 121
1 123 DEFSATS 3 121
1 124 X-Bases 5 52 106 107
2 200 Phaser Tech Blocks
2 201 Phaser-2, Phaser-3 0 0
2 202 Phaser-1 2 201
2 203 Phaser-G 3 202
2 204 Phaser-4 4 202
2 205 Phaser Capacitors 1 201
2 206 Phaser Holding 1 201
2 207 Phaser Down-Firing 1 201
2 208 X-Phasers 5 202 205 206 207
3 300 Shield Tech Blocks
3 301 Minimum Shields 0 0
3 302 Half Shields 1 301
3 303 Full Shields 1 302
3 304 General Reinforcement 2 302
3 305 Specific Reinforcement 2 304
3 306 Specific Shield Dropping 1 301
3 307 Shield Repairs 2 301
3 308 Campaign Shield Repairs 3 307
4 400 Electronic Warfare Tech Blocks
4 401 Basic EW 0 0
4 402 2xECCM 1 401
4 403 4xECCM 2 402
4 404 6xECCM 4 403
4 405 2xECM 1 401
4 406 4xECM 2 405
4 407 6xECM 4 406
4 408 Offensive EW 4 30 407
5 500 Maneuvering Tech Blocks
5 501 Forward Movement 0 0
5 502 Sideslips 1 501
5 503 TACs 2 502
5 504 Docking 1 501
5 505 Reverse Movement 1 501
5 506 Quick Reverse 2 505
5 507 Emergency Deceleration 2 503 506
5 508 Advanced Maneuver 2 503 506
5 509 Pinwheels 3 508
5 510 High Energy Turns 3 508
5 511 Mid-Turn Speed Changes 4 508
5 512 Erractics 3 510
5 513 Nimble 3 512
5 514 Positron Flywheel 10 511
6 600 Shuttle And Fighter Tech Blocks
6 601 Admin Shuttles 0 0
6 602 Minelaying Shuttles 1 601 804
6 603 Ground Assault Shuttles 1 601 1302
6 604 Scatter-Packs 2 601 1014
6 605 Suicide Shuttles 1 601
6 606 Wild Weasels 2 601
6 607 Fighters 2 601
6 608 Multi-Role Shuttles 2 402 405 602 607
6 609 Class 1 Fighters 2 607
6 610 Class 2 Fighters 3 609
6 611 Class 3 Fighters 5 610
6 612 Heavy Fighters 8 610
6 613 Heavy Transport Shuttle 2 603 612
6 614 Fighter Enhancements 2 609
6 615 Chaff 2 614
6 616 Fighter Warp Booster Packs 2 614
6 617 Fighter Good Pilots 3 614
6 618 Fighter Ace Pilots 5 617
6 619 Fighter Pods 2 614
6 620 Jammer Pods 2 405 619
6 621 EW Pods 3 402 620
6 622 Ground Attack Pods 2 603 619
6 623 Phaser Pod 2 619
6 624 Seeking Weapon Pods 2 619 1112
6 625 Chaff Pods 2 615 619
6 626 Sensor Pod 2 619
6 627 Cargo Pod 2 619
6 628 RALADS 3 610 1106
6 629 SWAC Shuttles 10 30 610 621
6 630 Heavy SWACS 5 31 612 629
6 631 F-111 Fighters 5 38 612 802
6 632 X-Shuttles 1 608 610 621
7 700 Fast Patrol Ship Tech Blocks
7 701 Nothing 0 0
7 702 Mech Links 5 612 701
7 703 Interceptors 5 702
7 704 Fast Patrol Ships 10 703
7 705 PF Enhancements 3 703
7 706 PF Good Pilots 3 617 705
7 707 PF Ace Pilots 5 618 706
7 708 EW Benefits 3 402 405 705
7 709 PF Warp Booster Packs 3 616 705
7 710 Interceptor Scouts 3 30 621 108
7 711 Shield Refits 3 704 705
7 712 FI-Cons 3 33 704
7 713 PF Variants 3 704
7 714 Death-Riders 3 21 704
7 715 Leader PFs 3 711 713 802
7 716 Scout PFs 5 710 713
7 717 Ground Assault PFs 3 603 713
7 718 Mine Warfare PFs 3 602 713
7 719 Phaser PFs 3 713
7 720 Escort PFs 3 35 36 713
7 721 Assault PFs 3 719
8 800 Mine Warfare Tech Blocks
8 801 Automatic Controls 0 0
8 802 T-Bombs 2 801
8 803 Dummy T-Bombs 2 802
8 804 Nuclear Space Mines 3 802
Y 8 805 Power Absorber Mines
8 806 Minefields 5 804
8 807 Mine Rack Options 3 806
8 808 Small Captor Mines 2 806
8 809 Large Captor Mines 3 808
8 810 Sensor Mines 3 806
8 811 Chain Controls 3 810
8 812 Deadman Controls 3 810
8 813 Command Controls 4 811 812
9 900 Officer And Crew Tech Blocks
9 901 Standard Crew 0 0
9 902 Legendary Officers 10 901
9 903 Doctor 3 902
9 904 Science Officer 3 27 902
9 905 Navigator 3 902
9 906 Major Of Marines 3 902 1302
9 907 Ground Forces Officer 3 32 906
9 908 Engineer 5 26 902
9 909 Weapons Officer 5 905 908
9 910 Captain 5 904 907 909
9 911 Prime Team 5 903 904 910
9 912 Outstanding Crew 10 911
10 1000 Drone Tech Blocks
10 1001 Type-I Drones 0 0
10 1002 Speed-12 Drones 3 1001
10 1003 Speed-20 Drones 5 1002
10 1004 Double Warhead 2 1001
10 1005 Double Endurance 2 1001
10 1006 Warp Seeker 2 1001
10 1007 Active Terminal Guidance (ATG) 3 1006
10 1008 Type-III Drones 3 1002 1005 1007
10 1009 Type-IIIXX Drones 5 1003 1004 1008
10 1010 Speed-32 Drones 10 1009
10 1011 Internal Armor 3 1001
10 1012 External Armor 3 1011
10 1013 Slug Drones 3 1012
10 1014 Enhanced Drones 3 1001
10 1015 Probe Drones 3 27
10 1016 ECM Drones 3 406 1014
10 1017 Swordfish Drones 3 1014
10 1018 Spearfish Drones 2 1014
10 1019 Stingray Drones 2 1014
10 1020 Multi-Warhead Drones 5 1019
10 1021 Stonefish Drones 1 1020 1106
10 1022 Starfish Drones 2 1021
10 1023 X-Drones 5 1010 1013 1023
11 1100 Drone Rack Tech Blocks
11 1101 Type-A/F Racks 0 0
11 1102 B-Racks 2 1101
11 1103 C-Racks 2 1101
11 1104 D-Racks 2 1102
11 1105 H-Racks 3 1104
11 1106 Anti-Drone Racks 2 1101
11 1107 ADD-12 3 18 1106
11 1108 Starbase ADDs 3 1104 1107
11 1109 E-Racks 2 1006 1106
11 1110 G-Racks 2 1102 1103 1109
11 1111 Single Reload 3 1101 1205 (Plasma Races)
11 1112 Double Reload 5 18 1107 1111
11 1113 X-Drone Racks 5 1104 1110 1112
12 1200 Plasma Torpedo Tech Blocks
12 1201 Plasma -F / Plasma-G 0 0
12 1202 Plasma-S 4 1201
12 1203 Plasma-R 8 1201
12 1204 Plasma-D Torpedoes 2 1202
12 1205 Plasma-D Rack 3 1204
12 1206 Starbase Plasma Rack 5 1205
12 1207 Minor Plasma Enhancements 2 1201
12 1208 Built-In ECCM 2 403 1207
12 1209 Pseudo Torpedoes 2 1207
12 1210 Self-Guiding Torpedoes 2 1207
12 1211 Destroyed Tube Launch 2 1207
12 1212 Swivel Mounts 3 1207
12 1213 Major Plasma Enhancements 3 1207
12 1214 Plasma Shotgun 3 1213
12 1215 Enveloping Torpedoes 3 1213
12 1216 Plasma Bolts 3 1213
12 1217 X-Plasmas 5 1203 1206 1208 1209 1210 1211 1212
13 1300 Marine Tech Blocks
13 1301 Boarding Parties 0 0
13 1302 Ground Combat 1 1301
13 1303 More Boarding Parties 2 1301
13 1304 Extra Boarding Parties 3 1303
13 1305 Hit & Run Raids 2 1301
13 1306 Shuttle Attacks 2 1305
13 1307 Ship Attacks 3 1306
13 1308 Commandoes 4 1302 1307
13 1309 Planetary Landing 3 1304 1308
14 1400 Orion Tech Blocks
14 1401 Home Cartel 0 0
14 1402 Stealth 3 405 1401
14 1403 Near Operations 2 1401
14 1404 Far Operations 3 1403
14 1405 Impulse Doubling 5 1401
14 1406 Single Warp Doubling 3 1405
14 1407 Unlimited Doubling 5 1406
14 1408 Second HET Bonus 3 510 1401
14 1409 Minor Cloaking 3 1401
14 1410 Major Cloaking 5 1409
14 1411 Full Cloaking 5 1410
14 1412 X-Orions 5 1402 1407 1411
15 1500 Cloaking Device Tech Block
15 1501 Simple Cloaking 0 0
15 1502 Extended Duration 2 1501
15 1503 Unlimited Duration 3 1502
15 1504 Strategic Duration 5 1503
15 1505 Cruiser Cloaks 3 4 1501
15 1506 Dreadnought Cloaks 5 6 1506
15 1507 Starbase Cloaks 8 107 1507
15 1508 Fast Fade 1 1501
15 1509 Faster Fade 2 1508
15 1510 Fastest Fade 3 1509
15 1511 Cloaked Decoy 4 608 1510
15 1512 Hidden Cloak 10 1504 1506 1510
15 1513 X-Cloak 5 1512
16 1600 Web Tech Blocks
16 1601 Web Generators 0 0
16 1602 Stronger Web 3 1601
16 1603 Strongest Web 5 1603
16 1604 Web Spinner 2 1601
16 1605 Web Anchor 3 1604
16 1606 Web Tender 5 20 1605
16 1607 Asteriod Anchors 5 1607
16 1608 Globular Web 2 1601
16 1609 Phaser Penetration 3 1608
16 1610 Web Caster 5 1603 1609
16 1611 Web Fist 3 1610
16 1612 Snare Refit 3 1610
16 1613 X-Webs 5 1607 1611 1612
17 1700 Particle Cannon Tech Blocks
17 1701 Particle Cannon 0 0
17 1702 Particle Cannon Capacitor 2 1701
17 1703 Particle Cannon Holding 2 1701
17 1704 Particle Cannon Overload 3 1702
17 1705 X-Particle Cannon 5 1703 1704
18 1800 Shield Cracker Tech Blocks
18 1801 Shield Cracker 0 0
18 1802 Web Breaker 5 1801
18 1803 X-Shield Cracker 5 1802
19 1900 ESG Tech Blocks
19 1901 Light ESG 0 0
19 1902 Full Power ESG 3 1901
19 1903 Normal Starting Power 3 1901
19 1904 Radius 2 ESG 3 1901
19 1905 Radius 3 ESG 5 1904
19 1906 ESG Capacitors 5 1902 1903
19 1907 X-ESGs 5 1905 1906
20 2000 Photon Torpedo Tech Block
20 2001 Photon Arming 0 0
20 2002 Photon Holding 2 2001
20 2003 Proximity Fuze 2 2001
20 2004 Photon Overload 2 2001
20 2005 Partial Overload 3 2004
20 2006 X-Photons 5 2003 2005
21 2100 Disruptor Tech Block
21 2101 Range-15 Disruptors 0 0
21 2102 Range-22 Disruptors 1 2101
21 2103 Range-30 Disruptors 3 2102
21 2104 Range-40 Disruptors 5 2103
21 2105 DERFACS 2 2103
21 2106 UIM 3 2105
21 2107 Disruptor Overload 3 2101
21 2108 X-Disruptors 5 2104 2106 2107
22 2200 Fusion & Hellbore Tech Blocks
22 2201 2-Turn Cooling 0 0
22 2202 Normal Cooling 2 2201
22 2203 Fusion Holding 2 2202
22 2204 Fusion Overloading 2 2202
22 2205 Suicide Overload 3 2204
22 2206 X-Fusion 5 2203 2205
22 2207 Hellbores 3 2204
22 2208 Hellbore Overload 3 2207
22 2209 X-Helbore 5 2208
23 2300 PPD Tech Block
23 2301 Nothing 0 0
23 2302 PPDs 5 1202 2301
23 2303 PPD Holding 2 2301
23 2304 PPD Overload 3 2302
23 2305 PPD Underload 3 2304
23 2306 X-PPDs 5 2303 2305
24 2400 Andromedan Tech Blocks
24 2401 Basic Andromendan 0 0
24 2402 3-Point Batteries 2 17 2401
24 2403 5-Point Batteries 4 18 2402
24 2404 TRLs 3 2401
24 2405 TRHs 5 2404
24 2406 Self-Displacement 2 2401
24 2407 Enemy Displacement 4 2406
24 2408 Satellite Operations 2 2401
24 2409 Displacement Satellite Launch 2 2406 2408
24 2410 PA Dissipation 2 2401
24 2411 PS Reinforcement 3 2410
24 2412 Satellite Damage Absorption 3 2411
24 2413 Advanced Andro Systems 2 2403 2405 2407 2409
24 2414 Energy Modules 5 2412 2413
24 2415 Pseudo-Statellite Ships 3 9 2413
24 2416 Temporal Elevators 3 105 2413
24 2417 PA Mines 3 17 802
25 2500 Jindarian Tech Blocks
25 2501 Basic Jindarians 0 0
25 2502 Light Rail Guns 2 2501
25 2503 Heavy Rail Gunds 4 2502
25 2504 Defensive Rail Gun Fire 4 18 2503
25 2505 Anti-Transporter Fields 2 2501
25 2506 Miniumum Shields 3 2505
25 2507 Full Armor 2 2501
25 2508 Armor Repairs 3 2507
25 2509 Special Docking 2 504 2501
25 2510 Asteroid Disengagement 3 2501
25 2511 Hidden Deployment 5 2501
25 2512 Blank Boxes 3 2501
25 2513 Blank Special Sensors 2 30 2512
25 2514 Blank Barracks Boxes 2 1302 2512
25 2515 Blank Repair Boxes 2 26 2512

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 10:57 pm: Edit

Oh My!

Ken- how long did it take you to type all that IN?

(and how many hours did you spend sorting it into the catagory's?)

Good job though!

By A. David Merritt (Adm) on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 12:27 am: Edit

Good Lord, maybe you should be pushing this Ken.
ADM

By Ken Humpherys (Pmthecat) on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 07:59 am: Edit

Here is the above list in table format:

Varient Group	Block ID	Name	Cost	Requirements
0	0	Starship Tech Blocks
0	1	Frigates	0	0
0	2	Destroyers	1	1
0	3	Light Cruisers	2	2
0	4	Heavy Cruisers	2	3
0	5	Command Cruisers	2	4
0	6	Dreadnoughts	3	5
0	7	Battleships	5	6 36
0	8	War Cruisers	2	5
0	9	War Destroyers	2	8
0	10	Heavy Battlecruisers	3	6 9
0	11	Super-Heavy Cruisers	5	10
0	12	Heavy War Destroyers	3	9
0	13	Fast Cruisers	3	9
0	14	New Heavy Cruisers	3	9
0	15	Heavy Command Cruisers	3	9
0	16	Minor Variants	1	1
0	17	First Refits	3	16
0	18	Advanced Refits	5	17
0	19	Leaders	2	17
0	20	Freighters	1	1
0	21	Suicide Freighers	2	21 605
0	22	Small Q-Ships	2	2 20
0	23	Large Q-Ships	3	3 22
0	24	Monitors	4	4 23
0	25	Variants	2	3 16
0	26	Repair Ships	3	26
0	27	Survey Ships	3	25
0	28	Maulers	10	25
0	29	Stasis Field Ships	10	25
0	30	Scouts	3	27 404 407
0	31	Heavy Scouts	2	4 30
0	32	Troop Transports	3	25 1302
0	33	Carriers	3	25 609
0	34	Strike Carriers	2	5 33
0	35	Escorts	2	33
0	36	Full Aegis	5	18 35
0	37	Heavy Carriers	5	6 36
0	38	PF Tenders	5	25 702
0	39	Space Control Ships	8	37 38
0	40	Minesweepers	3	25 804
0	41	Drone Bombardment Ships	3	25 1009
0	42	Tugs	3	4 25
0	43	Combat Tugs	2	42
0	44	Light Tactical Transports	3	8 42
0	45	Pseudo Pods	1	42
0	46	Troop Pods	2	32 42
0	47	Carrier Pods	2	34 42
0	48	SCS Pods	3	38 47
0	49	Battle Pods	3	42
0	50	Light Battle Transports	2	44 49
0	51	Light Carrier Transports	2	47 50
0	52	X-Ships	25	32 36 38 40 512 513 Race Specific X-Technology
Y 0	53	CCH
Y 0	54	Fast Warp Tech Block
Y 0	55	NCA
1	100	Static Defenses
1	101	Commercial Platforms	0	0
1	102	SAMS	1	101
1	103	Mobile Bases	2	102
1	104	Fleet Repair Docks	2	26 103
1	105	Base Stations	3	4 104
1	106	Battle Stations	5	30 105
1	107	Starbases	10	106
1	108	Base Modules	2	105
1	109	Barracks Modules	2	32 108
1	110	Repiar Modules	2	108
1	111	Hangar Modules	2	108 611
1	112	PF Modules	2	38 108
1	113	Power Modules	3	108
1	114	Small Ground Bases	1	101
1	115	Ground Power Stations	2	113 114
1	116	Ground Fighter Bases	2	111 114
1	117	Federation Planetary Control Base	3	116
1	118	Ground PF Baes	2	112 114
1	119	Planetary Control Base	3	118
1	120	Ground Phaser-1/2 Base	2	114
1	121	Ground Combat Bases	2	120
1	122	Ground Phaser-4 Bases	3	121
1	123	DEFSATS	3	121
1	124	X-Bases	5	52 106 107
2	200	Phaser Tech Blocks
2	201	Phaser-2/Phaser-3	0	0
2	202	Phaser-1	2	201
2	203	Phaser-G	3	202
2	204	Phaser-4	4	202
2	205	Phaser Capacitors	1	201
2	206	Phaser Holding	1	201
2	207	Phaser Down-Firing	1	201
2	208	X-Phasers	5	202 205 206 207
3	300	Shield Tech Blocks
3	301	Minimum Shields	0	0
3	302	Half Shields	1	301
3	303	Full Shields	1	302
3	304	General Reinforcement	2	302
3	305	Specific Reinforcement	2	304
3	306	Specific Shield Dropping	1	301
3	307	Shield Repairs	2	301
3	308	Campaign Shield Repairs	3	307
4	400	Electronic Warfare Tech Blocks
4	401	Basic EW	0	0
4	402	2xECCM	1	401
4	403	4xECCM	2	402
4	404	6xECCM	4	403
4	405	2xECM	1	401
4	406	4xECM	2	405
4	407	6xECM	4	406
4	408	Offensive EW	4	30 407
5	500	Maneuvering Tech Blocks
5	501	Forward Movement	0	0
5	502	Sideslips	1	501
5	503	TACs	2	502
5	504	Docking	1	501
5	505	Reverse Movement	1	501
5	506	Quick Reverse	2	505
5	507	Emergency Deceleration	2	503 506
5	508	Advanced Maneuver	2	503 506
5	509	Pinwheels	3	508
5	510	High Energy Turns	3	508
5	511	Mid-Turn Speed Changes	4	508
5	512	Erractics	3	510
5	513	Nimble	3	512
5	514	Positron Flywheel	10	511
6	600	Shuttle And Fighter Tech Blocks
6	601	Admin Shuttles	0	0
6	602	Minelaying Shuttles	1	601 804
6	603	Ground Assault Shuttles	1	601 1302
6	604	Scatter-Packs	2	601 1014
6	605	Suicide Shuttles	1	601
6	606	Wild Weasels	2	601
6	607	Fighters	2	601
6	608	Multi-Role Shuttles	2	402 405 602 607
6	609	Class 1 Fighters	2	607
6	610	Class 2 Fighters	3	609
6	611	Class 3 Fighters	5	610
6	612	Heavy Fighters	8	610
6	613	Heavy Transport Shuttle	2	603 612
6	614	Fighter Enhancements	2	609
6	615	Chaff	2	614
6	616	Fighter Warp Booster Packs	2	614
6	617	Fighter Good Pilots	3	614
6	618	Fighter Ace Pilots	5	617
6	619	Fighter Pods	2	614
6	620	Jammer Pods	2	405 619
6	621	EW Pods	3	402 620
6	622	Ground Attack Pods	2	603 619
6	623	Phaser Pod	2	619
6	624	Seeking Weapon Pods	2	619 1112
6	625	Chaff Pods	2	615 619
6	626	Sensor Pod	2	619
6	627	Cargo Pod	2	619
6	628	RALADS	3	610 1106
6	629	SWAC Shuttles	10	30 610 621
6	630	Heavy SWACS	5	31 612 629
6	631	F-111 Fighters	5	38 612 802
6	632	X-Shuttles	1	608 610 621
7	700	Fast Patrol Ship Tech Blocks
7	701	Nothing	0	0
7	702	Mech Links	5	612 701
7	703	Interceptors	5	702
7	704	Fast Patrol Ships	10	703
7	705	PF Enhancements	3	703
7	706	PF Good Pilots	3	617 705
7	707	PF Ace Pilots	5	618 706
7	708	EW Benefits	3	402 405 705
7	709	PF Warp Booster Packs	3	616 705
7	710	Interceptor Scouts	3	30 621 108
7	711	Shield Refits	3	704 705
7	712	FI-Cons	3	33 704
7	713	PF Variants	3	704
7	714	Death-Riders	3	21 704
7	715	Leader PFs	3	711 713 802
7	716	Scout PFs	5	710 713
7	717	Ground Assault PFs	3	603 713
7	718	Mine Warfare PFs	3	602 713
7	719	Phaser PFs	3	713
7	720	Escort PFs	3	35 36 713
7	721	Assault PFs	3	719
8	800	Mine Warfare Tech Blocks
8	801	Automatic Controls	0	0
8	802	T-Bombs	2	801
8	803	Dummy T-Bombs	2	802
8	804	Nuclear Space Mines	3	802
Y 8	805	Power Absorber Mines
8	806	Minefields	5	804
8	807	Mine Rack Options	3	806
8	808	Small Captor Mines	2	806
8	809	Large Captor Mines	3	808
8	810	Sensor Mines	3	806
8	811	Chain Controls	3	810
8	812	Deadman Controls	3	810
8	813	Command Controls	4	811 812
9	900	Officer And Crew Tech Blocks
9	901	Standard Crew	0	0
9	902	Legendary Officers	10	901
9	903	Doctor	3	902
9	904	Science Officer	3	27 902
9	905	Navigator	3	902
9	906	Major Of Marines	3	902 1302
9	907	Ground Forces Officer	3	32 906
9	908	Engineer	5	26 902
9	909	Weapons Officer	5	905 908
9	910	Captain	5	904 907 909
9	911	Prime Team	5	903 904 910
9	912	Outstanding Crew	10	911
10	1000	Drone Tech Blocks
10	1001	Type-I Drones	0	0
10	1002	Speed-12 Drones	3	1001
10	1003	Speed-20 Drones	5	1002
10	1004	Double Warhead	2	1001
10	1005	Double Endurance	2	1001
10	1006	Warp Seeker	2	1001
10	1007	Active Terminal Guidance (ATG)	3	1006
10	1008	Type-III Drones	3	1002 1005 1007
10	1009	Type-IIIXX Drones	5	1003 1004 1008
10	1010	Speed-32 Drones	10	1009
10	1011	Internal Armor	3	1001
10	1012	External Armor	3	1011
10	1013	Slug Drones	3	1012
10	1014	Enhanced Drones	3	1001
10	1015	Probe Drones	3	27
10	1016	ECM Drones	3	406 1014
10	1017	Swordfish Drones	3	1014
10	1018	Spearfish Drones	2	1014
10	1019	Stingray Drones	2	1014
10	1020	Multi-Warhead Drones	5	1019
10	1021	Stonefish Drones	1	1020 1106
10	1022	Starfish Drones	2	1021
10	1023	X-Drones	5	1010 1013 1023
11	1100	Drone Rack Tech Blocks
11	1101	Type-A/F Racks	0	0
11	1102	B-Racks	2	1101
11	1103	C-Racks	2	1101
11	1104	D-Racks	2	1102
11	1105	H-Racks	3	1104
11	1106	Anti-Drone Racks	2	1101
11	1107	ADD-12	3	18 1106
11	1108	Starbase ADDs	3	1104 1107
11	1109	E-Racks	2	1006 1106
11	1110	G-Racks	2	1102 1103 1109
11	1111	Single Reload	3	1101 1205 (Plasma Races)
11	1112	Double Reload	5	18 1107 1111
11	1113	X-Drone Racks	5	1104 1110 1112
12	1200	Plasma Torpedo Tech Blocks
12	1201	Plasma -F / Plasma-G	0	0
12	1202	Plasma-S	4	1201
12	1203	Plasma-R	8	1201
12	1204	Plasma-D Torpedoes	2	1202
12	1205	Plasma-D Rack	3	1204
12	1206	Starbase Plasma Rack	5	1205
12	1207	Minor Plasma Enhancements	2	1201
12	1208	Built-In ECCM	2	403 1207
12	1209	Pseudo Torpedoes	2	1207
12	1210	Self-Guiding Torpedoes	2	1207
12	1211	Destroyed Tube Launch	2	1207
12	1212	Swivel Mounts	3	1207
12	1213	Major Plasma Enhancements	3	1207
12	1214	Plasma Shotgun	3	1213
12	1215	Enveloping Torpedoes	3	1213
12	1216	Plasma Bolts	3	1213
12	1217	X-Plasmas	5	1203 1206 1208 1209 1210 1211 1212
13	1300	Marine Tech Blocks
13	1301	Boarding Parties	0	0
13	1302	Ground Combat	1	1301
13	1303	More Boarding Parties	2	1301
13	1304	Extra Boarding Parties	3	1303
13	1305	Hit & Run Raids	2	1301
13	1306	Shuttle Attacks	2	1305
13	1307	Ship Attacks	3	1306
13	1308	Commandoes	4	1302 1307
13	1309	Planetary Landing	3	1304 1308
14	1400	Orion Tech Blocks
14	1401	Home Cartel	0	0
14	1402	Stealth	3	405 1401
14	1403	Near Operations	2	1401
14	1404	Far Operations	3	1403
14	1405	Impulse Doubling	5	1401
14	1406	Single Warp Doubling	3	1405
14	1407	Unlimited Doubling	5	1406
14	1408	Second HET Bonus	3	510 1401
14	1409	Minor Cloaking	3	1401
14	1410	Major Cloaking	5	1409
14	1411	Full Cloaking	5	1410
14	1412	X-Orions	5	1402 1407 1411
15	1500	Cloaking Device Tech Block
15	1501	Simple Cloaking	0	0
15	1502	Extended Duration	2	1501
15	1503	Unlimited Duration	3	1502
15	1504	Strategic Duration	5	1503
15	1505	Cruiser Cloaks	3	4 1501
15	1506	Dreadnought Cloaks	5	6 1506
15	1507	Starbase Cloaks	8	107 1507
15	1508	Fast Fade	1	1501
15	1509	Faster Fade	2	1508
15	1510	Fastest Fade	3	1509
15	1511	Cloaked Decoy	4	608 1510
15	1512	Hidden Cloak	10	1504 1506 1510
15	1513	X-Cloak	5	1512
16	1600	Web Tech Blocks
16	1601	Web Generators	0	0
16	1602	Stronger Web	3	1601
16	1603	Strongest Web	5	1603
16	1604	Web Spinner	2	1601
16	1605	Web Anchor	3	1604
16	1606	Web Tender	5	20 1605
16	1607	Asteriod Anchors	5	1607
16	1608	Globular Web	2	1601
16	1609	Phaser Penetration	3	1608
16	1610	Web Caster	5	1603 1609
16	1611	Web Fist	3	1610
16	1612	Snare Refit	3	1610
16	1613	X-Webs	5	1607 1611 1612
17	1700	Particle Cannon Tech Blocks
17	1701	Particle Cannon	0	0
17	1702	Particle Cannon Capacitor	2	1701
17	1703	Particle Cannon Holding	2	1701
17	1704	Particle Cannon Overload	3	1702
17	1705	X-Particle Cannon	5	1703 1704
18	1800	Shield Cracker Tech Blocks
18	1801	Shield Cracker	0	0
18	1802	Web Breaker	5	1801
18	1803	X-Shield Cracker	5	1802
19	1900	ESG Tech Blocks
19	1901	Light ESG	0	0
19	1902	Full Power ESG	3	1901
19	1903	Normal Starting Power	3	1901
19	1904	Radius 2 ESG	3	1901
19	1905	Radius 3 ESG	5	1904
19	1906	ESG Capacitors	5	1902 1903
19	1907	X-ESGs	5	1905 1906
20	2000	Photon Torpedo Tech Block
20	2001	Photon Arming	0	0
20	2002	Photon Holding	2	2001
20	2003	Proximity Fuze	2	2001
20	2004	Photon Overload	2	2001
20	2005	Partial Overload	3	2004
20	2006	X-Photons	5	2003 2005
21	2100	Disruptor Tech Block
21	2101	Range-15 Disruptors	0	0
21	2102	Range-22 Disruptors	1	2101
21	2103	Range-30 Disruptors	3	2102
21	2104	Range-40 Disruptors	5	2103
21	2105	DERFACS	2	2103
21	2106	UIM	3	2105
21	2107	Disruptor Overload	3	2101
21	2108	X-Disruptors	5	2104 2106 2107
22	2200	Fusion & Hellbore Tech Blocks
22	2201	2-Turn Cooling	0	0
22	2202	Normal Cooling	2	2201
22	2203	Fusion Holding	2	2202
22	2204	Fusion Overloading	2	2202
22	2205	Suicide Overload	3	2204
22	2206	X-Fusion	5	2203 2205
22	2207	Hellbores	3	2204
22	2208	Hellbore Overload	3	2207
22	2209	X-Helbore	5	2208
23	2300	PPD Tech Block
23	2301	Nothing	0	0
23	2302	PPDs	5	1202 2301
23	2303	PPD Holding	2	2301
23	2304	PPD Overload	3	2302
23	2305	PPD Underload	3	2304
23	2306	X-PPDs	5	2303 2305
24	2400	Andromedan Tech Blocks
24	2401	Basic Andromendan	0	0
24	2402	3-Point Batteries	2	17 2401
24	2403	5-Point Batteries	4	18 2402
24	2404	TRLs	3	2401
24	2405	TRHs	5	2404
24	2406	Self-Displacement	2	2401
24	2407	Enemy Displacement	4	2406
24	2408	Satellite Operations	2	2401
24	2409	Displacement Satellite Launch	2	2406 2408
24	2410	PA Dissipation	2	2401
24	2411	PS Reinforcement	3	2410
24	2412	Satellite Damage Absorption	3	2411
24	2413	Advanced Andro Systems	2	2403 2405 2407 2409
24	2414	Energy Modules	5	2412 2413
24	2415	Pseudo-Statellite Ships	3	9 2413
24	2416	Temporal Elevators	3	105 2413
24	2417	PA Mines	3	17 802
25	2500	Jindarian Tech Blocks
25	2501	Basic Jindarians	0	0
25	2502	Light Rail Guns	2	2501
25	2503	Heavy Rail Gunds	4	2502
25	2504	Defensive Rail Gun Fire	4	18 2503
25	2505	Anti-Transporter Fields	2	2501
25	2506	Miniumum Shields	3	2505
25	2507	Full Armor	2	2501
25	2508	Armor Repairs	3	2507
25	2509	Special Docking	2	504 2501
25	2510	Asteroid Disengagement	3	2501
25	2511	Hidden Deployment	5	2501
25	2512	Blank Boxes	3	2501
25	2513	Blank Special Sensors	2	30 2512
25	2514	Blank Barracks Boxes	2	1302 2512
25	2515	Blank Repair Boxes	2	26 2512

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 08:19 am: Edit

Ken,

Just one thought. You require War Destroyers in order to build Fast Cruisers. The CF's came out before DW's I think that CF's should be required to have CA Tech block and Fast Warp.

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 08:27 am: Edit

Ken,

That is an impressive amount of work. From a quick read through I didn't find any troubles with it other than Ryans point..

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 09:04 am: Edit

Ken,

Thoughts 2 and 3.

2. WOW!

3. Mobile base and FRD both came after BAS, BATS and SB as YIS. I think the permanent stations would be developed before the mobile ones. I would consider linking FRD to repair ship rather than MB. I think that they would look at easier ways of building bases after learning how long it takes to build bases especially after a war.

Ryan

By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 06:46 pm: Edit

Hi Guys,

I did not decided anything. If you look on page 24 of the CDH (Campaign Designer's Handbook) DW's are a requirement for CF's.

On page 45 the FRD requires MB's and repair ships.

Is there someone out there that is good at Visio programming? If there is, we can use visio to create the tech block diagrams from the speadsheet or a access database. There is a free viewer that could be downloaded for viewing.

It would take me a while to create the program so if there is someone out there that is good at this it would be a help.

By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 06:59 pm: Edit

Here is a list of products with original publication dates and current dates.

If someone has better information please let me know so I can update my list.

OriginalPrinting CurrentPrinting Name
01-Jan-87 01-Jan-00 Tactics Manual
01-Jan-87 01-Jan-00 Federation & Empire
01-Jan-90 01-Jan-00 Basic Rulebook
01-Jan-91 01-Jan-00 Module K Fast Patrol Ships
01-Jan-91 01-Jan-99 Advanced Missions
01-Jan-91 01-Jan-99 Module C1 - New Worlds I
01-Jan-91 01-Jan-99 Module C2 - New Worlds II
01-Jan-91 01-Jan-91 Module J Fighters
01-Jan-91 01-Jan-91 Module D1: Veterans Master Ship Chart
01-Jan-91 01-Jan-91 Module P3: Scenarios - 1
01-Jan-91 01-Jan-91 Module P2: X-Ships
01-Jan-91 01-Jan-91 Module P1: The Frax, etc
01-Jan-91 01-Jan-91 Tournament Book 1991
01-Jan-92 01-Jan-92 Module R 5: Battleships
01-Jan-92 01-Jan-92 Module R 1: Bases & Auxiliaries
01-Jan-92 01-Jan-01 Module R 4: Reinfocements For Romulans, Gorns, ISC, Tholians
01-Jan-92 01-Jan-00 Module R 3: Reinforcements For Klingons, Lyrans, Hydrans, Wyns
01-Jan-92 01-Jan-92 Module R 2: Reinforcements For Federation, Kzinti, Andro, Orion
01-Jan-92 01-Jan-92 Module D2: Tournament Tactics
01-Jan-92 01-Jan-92 Module P4: Marines!
01-Jan-92 01-Jan-92 Module S1 Scenario Book 1
01-Jan-92 01-Jan-92 Module P5: Lyran Democratic Republic
01-Jan-93 01-Jan-93 Module MO3 Starship Registry
01-Jan-93 01-Jan-93 Module MO2 Commando Manual
01-Jan-93 01-Jan-93 Captain's Log #13
01-Jan-93 01-Jan-93 Module MO1 Master Ship Chart
01-Jan-93 01-Jan-93 Module C3 - New Worlds III
01-Jan-93 01-Jan-93 Module D3 Booms & Saucers
26-Jul-93 26-Jul-93 Captain's Log #12
01-Jan-94 01-Jan-94 Module X1: The X-Ships
01-Jan-94 01-Jan-94 Module F1 The Jindarians
01-Jan-94 01-Jan-94 Captain's Errata Book
01-Jan-94 01-Jan-94 Module S2 Scenario Book 2
22-Jan-94 22-Jan-94 Captain's Log #14
23-May-94 23-May-94 Captain's Log #15
14-Nov-94 14-Nov-94 Captain's Log #16
01-Jan-95 01-Jan-00 Module R 6: The Fast Warships
01-Jan-95 01-Jan-95 Module C4 - Fleet Training Centers
01-Jan-95 01-Jan-95 Module P6 The Galactic Smorgasbord
01-Jan-95 01-Jan-95 Module M Star Fleet Marines
14-Jun-95 14-Jun-95 Captain's Log #17
01-Jan-96 01-Jan-00 Campaign Designer's Handbook
01-Jan-96 01-Jan-96 Cadet Training Handbook
09-Jun-96 09-Jun-96 Module G1 Master Annexes
01-Jan-99 01-Jan-99 Module R 7: Dreadnoughts At War
01-Jan-99 01-Jan-99 Module Omega 1
01-Jan-00 01-Jan-00 Module Omega 2
01-Jan-00 01-Jan-00 Module T Tournament Battles
01-Jan-00 01-Jan-00 Module Omega 3 - The Omega Wars
01-Jan-01 01-Jan-00 Module Y1 The Early Years
01-Jan-01 01-Jan-01 Module E2 The Triangulum Galaxy
20-Jun-02 20-Jun-02 Captain's Log #24
02-Jun-03 02-Jun-03 Captain's Log #26
01-Jul-03 01-Jul-03 Module R10: The New Cruisers

By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 07:04 pm: Edit

Based on above list I believe we should start with R7 and work forward to update the tech blocks.

Ken

OriginalPrinting CurrentPrinting Name
01/01/1999 01/01/1999 Module R 7: Dreadnoughts At War
01/01/1999 01/01/1999 Module Omega 1
01/01/2000 01/01/2000 Module Omega 2
01/01/2000 01/01/2000 Module T Tournament Battles
01/01/2000 01/01/2000 Module Omega 3 - The Omega Wars
01/01/2001 01/01/2000 Module Y1 The Early Years
01/01/2001 01/01/2001 Module E2 The Triangulum Galaxy
06/20/2002 06/20/2002 Captain's Log #24
06/02/2003 06/02/2003 Captain's Log #26
07/01/2003 07/01/2003 Module R10: The New Cruisers

By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 07:14 pm: Edit

The only item in R7 that needs to be added to the tech blocks would be the Operations Base.

I would think that this should fall either after the BS or BATS. How about a cost of 2 the same as the MB.

Comments?

By A. David Merritt (Adm) on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 10:31 pm: Edit

DNLs wshould also be added to the Tech blocks, in my opinion.

ADM

By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 11:07 pm: Edit

ADM,

Where would you put the DNL's in the list.

Ken

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 12:02 am: Edit

Wow, that list really give one an appreciation for just how BIG this game is (even with out Captains Logs).

By A. David Merritt (Adm) on Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 09:53 am: Edit

From Nov. 12
"Insert DNL block between DN and BCH, cost 2."

ADM

By Ken Humpherys (Pmthecat) on Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 06:48 pm: Edit

Most DNL's are also fast ships. I would require a seperate line linked to DN's and Fast Ships.

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56

Light Dreadnaughts

2

6 13

By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 07:53 pm: Edit

I believe the consensus is to add the DNL between DN's & BCH's for 2 points. I will update my table.

Is there any opinion on the operations base?

By Ken Humpherys (Pmthecat) on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 12:33 pm: Edit

IMHO, An Operations Base (OB) is seperate from the BS->BATS line, but is a Precurser of the SB. So SB should need OB and BATS, but a OB does not need BATS. It should require Freighters or Tugs, as an OB is a big Supply point.

By Ken Humpherys (Pmthecat) on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 12:51 pm: Edit

The problem of making DNL's a requirement for BCH's is that Lyrans get BC's before they get DNL's. As the only Tech block that would fit for Lyran BC's is the BCH block, it could not use DNL's as a requirment. BTW I give Lyrans BCH's in the Super Heavy Cruiser block, but require PFT's first.

By Ed Crutchfield (Librarian101) on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 02:04 pm: Edit

I am not sure I see a connection between the BCHs and the DNLs, in the ship description of the Federation BCHs that they are an outgrowth of the cruiser type rather than the DN, the CDH does show it as an outgrowth of the DN, but that seems to be the only link. The DNL would seem to need both DN technology and fast ship technology. The BCH and DNL would both seem to merit seperate links out of the DN block, but not connected.

By Andy Palmer (Andypalmer) on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 03:09 pm: Edit

BCH should be from CC block (or NCA?); DNL from DN block.

By Ed Crutchfield (Librarian101) on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 03:24 pm: Edit

I think you are right, probably from the CC block, it appears to be an out growth of the CC, with the NCAs an out growth of the NCL development.

By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 07:17 pm: Edit

>>An Operations Base (OB) is seperate from the BS->BATS line, but is a Precurser of the SB.

The history does not support this.

R1.45 - most races which operated "Mibile Bases" developed the larger "Operations Base"...

so this shows the OB is after the MB but not part of the MB -> BS -> BATS -> SB path.

By A. David Merritt (Adm) on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 08:21 pm: Edit

DNL; I selected between the DN and BCH blocks for the DNLs because of the timeline. When looking at the MSC the DNLs are generally developed after DNs and Before BCHs, Combining this with current Early DNs->DNs->DNHs, I felt that the ability to up gun the DNs led to the ability to up gun CCs/BCs->BCs/BCHs.

The Lyran BC is an oddity, I'm not sure where it would fit, but I would expect as a BCH since it gets the full weapons upgrade, Declaring that the BCH falls under Super Heavy Cruiser Block is probably a good idea.

ADM