I think we should go with 8 and special bridge and bump it up to 9 if the projected BPVs and ships don't meet...but they probably will.
Maybe toggle around the can/can't capitalise on negative shift to get the firepower to match the BPVs.
At any rate I think leave fooling around with that part `til last.

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 07:01 am: Edit

Poll Reopened for one week:
Please only Answer the Questions. Keep the Commentary in the Appropriate Thread.

1. What BPV should an Fed/Klink XCA have?
A. 250-275
B. 275-300
C. 300-325
D. 325-350
E. 350-375
F. 375-400
G. 400+

2. Should traditionally high BPV races (BP in general) maintain the:
A. Same relative spread on BPV
B. Shrink the relative spread on BPV
C. Undecided
D. Case by Case per race.

3. Should XCCs be____ over XCAs?:
A. A minor improvement
B. A major improvement
C. No different
D. Not decided

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 07:48 am: Edit

Some how I double posted.

By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 09:41 am: Edit

1: B
2: B or D
3: A (similar to CC improvements over CA's in the GW)

By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 12:19 pm: Edit

Ken,

I dropped a note telling people that it wasn't the place for a poll.

Note these questions have been asked before.


1. What BPV should an Fed/Klink XCA have?
B. 275-300

2. Should traditionally high BPV races (BP in general) maintain the:
B. Shrink the relative spread on BPV

3. Should XCCs be____ over XCAs?:
B. A minor improvement

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 01:50 pm: Edit

1. What BPV should an Fed/Klink XCA have?
A. 250-275

2. Should traditionally high BPV races (BP in general) maintain the:
B. Shrink the relative spread on BPV
D. Case by Case per race.

3. Should XCCs be____ over XCAs?:
B. A major improvement

By Christopher E. Fant (Cfant) on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 02:16 pm: Edit

1. A or B
2. B or D
3. A

By Mike Fannin (Daelin) on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 02:20 pm: Edit

1. A/B
2. B
3. A different class entirely.

By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 02:21 pm: Edit

My actual #3 is

B. Minor improvement.

By Mark Norman (Mnorman) on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 03:04 pm: Edit

1. D
2. A (Keep that racial flavour, which is what makes the BPV difference)
3. A, but based on new hullform

By Jeff Tonglet (Blackbeard) on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 06:20 pm: Edit

1. C-D (300-350)
2. B (should be higher, but not dramatically)
3. C (An XCA has a 10 command rating, so there's no point in making an XCC that's different. But, if a ship larger than the XCA is needed, it could be "called" an XCC.)

By michael john campbell (Michaelcampbell) on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 07:28 pm: Edit

1. What BPV should an Fed/Klink XCA have?
C&D refitted up to F&G as the tradewars treaty is found to be unworkable by the races that violate the treaty, doing so

2. Should traditionally high BPV races (BP in general) maintain the:
D. Case by Case per race.
It would be good to have some different flavours here and there.

3. Should XCCs be____ over XCAs?:
D but would go with A if I had to pick now. Probably just a Pair of Ph-6s an extra G-rack and Flag Bridges.

By Geoff Conn (Talonz) on Saturday, November 22, 2003 - 04:14 am: Edit

a
b
c

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Saturday, November 22, 2003 - 11:41 am: Edit

B
D
B


(geeze, sound like that little robot on BUck Rodgers in the 25th Centry!)

By R. Brodie Nyboer (Radiocyborg) on Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 03:23 pm: Edit

in light of recent discussions i'm now going with:

A-B (275)
D
D

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 07:26 am: Edit

The latest Poll will close Friday. So get your vote in if you want it to count.

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 09:22 pm: Edit

Poll Results:
1. What BPV should an Fed/Klink XCA have?
A. 250-275 (6)
B. 275-300 (3)
C. 300-325 (2)
D. 325-350 (1)
E. 350-375
F. 375-400
G. 400+

2. Should traditionally high BPV races (BP in general) maintain the:
A. Same relative spread on BPV (1)
B. Shrink the relative spread on BPV (8)
C. Undecided
D. Case by Case per race. (3)

3. Should XCCs be____ over XCAs?:
A. A minor improvement (6)
B. A major improvement (3)
C. No different (2)
D. Not decided (1)

By R. Brodie Nyboer (Radiocyborg) on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 09:25 pm: Edit

A majority of a minority? Still it could be indicative.

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 09:25 pm: Edit

Thanks to all the respondants.
Mike Raper
John Trauger
Tos Crawford
Christopher Fant
Mike Fanin
Mark Norman
Jeff Tonglet
Michael Campbell
Geoff Conn
Loren Knight
R. Brodie Nyboer

My Vote is included in the totals.
*Note: When more tha one choice was indicated I took the first one. MJC's vote #3 was recorded as A since that was wehat he indicated his current choice was.

By michael john campbell (Michaelcampbell) on Friday, February 06, 2004 - 12:47 am: Edit

New Poll Question.

How many Disruptors should the Klingon XCA ( the X2 D7 analog ) have?

A) 4
B) 6
C) Some other number.


If you want the X2 Klingon to be weak and then refit to keep pace with other races as the ecconomy picks up, pick B. If you want the Klingon to refit their ships into UBer ships, pick A

By michael john campbell (Michaelcampbell) on Friday, February 06, 2004 - 12:50 am: Edit

B.

I'ld like the Klingon XCA to have 4 Disruptors to start with and then refit to 6 as their ecconomy picks up. So I want the six Disruptor boat to have a good standing against all other races ( including & especially the Federation ).

By michael john campbell (Michaelcampbell) on Friday, February 06, 2004 - 12:56 am: Edit

Question Two:-

Should all Disruptor using races use the same kind of Disruptor.

A) Yes.
B) Yes but the Kzinti's Should be use DC.
C) Yes but Tholians should be able to shoot through web.
D) Yes But Kzintis should use DCs and Tholian should shoot through Web.
E) Every race should have it's own flavour.

By michael john campbell (Michaelcampbell) on Friday, February 06, 2004 - 12:58 am: Edit

C.

For historical reasons.

The C because it's Fun and A because it's easiest.

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Friday, February 06, 2004 - 01:22 am: Edit

Regarding Question Two:

Get the Tholians out of the Disruptor and Photon business. If any race should be phaser-heavy in its firepower it's the Tholians, due to the web/phaser interactions. But pure phaserboats, while energy efficient, are weak in total crunch power. Therefor the Tholians need torpedos during the GW.

After the Neo-Tholians arrive the Tholians develop the ability to produce webcasters in this galaxy. But allowing the Tholians unlimited webcaster production may introduce major balance problems. If, however, you keep webcaster production limited but allow the Tholians high-rate production of a webfist-only version, you could have Tholian X2 ships as follows.

Frigate - Updated version of PC - pure phaserboat with as much phaser firepower as can be placed on a hull that size. Primarily intended for base defense/fighting behind web. Does retain snares, which can be used as web generators in its planned role but give it some extra defense if it is forced to fight in open space.

Destroyer - Heavy weapon based on webfist. This weapon cannot cast web. Destroyer does retain snares.

Cruiser - True Webcasters.

This seems to me to give the Tholians a better racial flavor. The use of Disruptors and Photons was a stop-gap measure during the GW and X1 eras but became progressively less necessary as the Tholians developed the ability to mass produce webfists, even if they never develop the ability (in this galaxy) to mass produce webcasters.

Allowing Tholian Disruptors to fire through web seems to me unjustified. It just "feels" better to leave that a Tholian-Phaser-only capability.

By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Friday, February 06, 2004 - 04:01 am: Edit

First question - I also vote for 4 with the refit to 6.

For the second question - I would think each race would develop disruptors based on their racial flavor. Either rapid firing for the Lyran and Kzinti and more crunch power for the Klingons.

I definately agree with Alan Travor about the Tholians. His write-up is very good.

I would like to see each race more divergent as X2 goes.