| By Robert Cole (Zathras) on Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 08:51 pm: Edit |
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Quote:DFX or CFX
| By R. Brodie Nyboer (Radiocyborg) on Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 09:05 pm: Edit |
Ah sorry, Zathras not understand Zathras:
Advanced Fast Destroyer and Advanced Fast Cruiser
| By Robert Cole (Zathras) on Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 09:12 pm: Edit |
I'm tabulating a list of proposed ship classes and looking for what people want. Please email me your thoughts on these classes (I'd prefer to keep this type of "poll" off the BBS to save space).
| By Loren Knight (Loren) on Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 09:24 pm: Edit |
Tos: I'll send that X-Freighter tonight.
| By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 09:55 pm: Edit |
"I realize there will probably be quite a few variants submitted. The question I failed to convey is if variants that simply replace an existing box with a different system will share the same SSD/page or will they be expected to occupy sepearate pages? An example of what I am trying to ask is the DGX/DLX SSD which could easily share the same SSD/page. If each little variant requires a seperate SSD then it would reduce my desire to see mundane variants."
I'm not concerned about SSDs yet and how things are displayed. My mission is to identify what counters we need as they take several months of lead time. XP shouldn't have a major impact on counters so I've got a different focus for X1R.
We don't need an additional 100 X1 ships published. I put that number out there so I can start getting people to think outside the box.
| By Jeremy Gray (Gray) on Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 11:44 pm: Edit |
OK, I have to throw this one out there as a Klingon fan: Give me an X-ship with a SFG! I don't care if it is a DX or a D5X variant. Either will do.
| By Loren Knight (Loren) on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 12:39 am: Edit |
Good idea Jeremy. As scary as that is I have a hard time coming up with reason they wouldn't do it.
| By Alex Chobot (Alendrel) on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 12:43 am: Edit |
Becuase SFG ships have an alarming tendancy to blow up?
| By Jeremy Gray (Gray) on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 01:05 am: Edit |
I agree Alex. But if the Klingons would put a SFG on a unit like the C7, I figure they would give it a whirl on an X-hull of some kind. But you are right, SFG ships tend to get an awful lot of attention when they get in close.
On the other hand, just think of how hard it will be to kill a SFG on an X-ship. Get in there on a turn break, announce speed zero at a turn break, and use all that wonderful X-power for negative tractor/ECM/shield reinforcement while you put a chunk of the enemy fleet in stasis. Sounds like fun.
| By Alex Chobot (Alendrel) on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 01:17 am: Edit |
Oh, there are plenty of reasons to do it Just syaing there are reasons against, as well. I'd have no problems with actually seeing a DXA.
| By Jeremy Gray (Gray) on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 10:22 am: Edit |
Just a couple of quick thoughts...
I think the the X-fix stuff from Captain's Log should find a place somewhere in X1R. I will only take up about half a page, but it may be worth finding the space. X1 may not be reprinted/updated for a while.
A consolidated X-MSC. Normally I would not suggest this. But several ships got their BPVs changed in the X-fix, and an updated MSC would be a good way to capture those changes short of a reprint of the X1 SSD book.
| By Robert Cole (Zathras) on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 10:38 am: Edit |
I was just going to note the same things, Mr. Gray!
A few specific ships that have been mentioned in the past:
Federation NCLX, Federation DX (single engine), some have mentioned the Fed Old CL for conversion, Klingon D6DX, maybe some more "Old Series" Romulan X-ships (ala the KEX)
Keep 'em coming peoples!42
| By Loren Knight (Loren) on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 10:39 am: Edit |
Ya, that would be nice. I wouldn't die if those weren't there but would be diappointed if they weren't.
Mostly because I maintain a consolodated rule book. They would help fix the problem.
Perhaps a relacement page that allows one to pull the Phaser OL rules. I'll have to look at it.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 10:50 am: Edit |
Let me explain what's going on as I seem to have caused some fear, panic, and confusion....
sometime in May we will print counters for several products, including R8 and R9 and maybe F&E Planetary Operations and maybe a sheet to be used later in F&E ISC War. But it will also include counters for one or two or three other SFB products.
I need to make decisions on which they will be, and if I pick X1R then I have to have the counters done by May even if it isn't published until October.
What Tos is doing for me is answering one question (is there enough stuff available for X1R to make it a good product?) and to start the list of what counters need to be made (so I know if it will take 108 or 216).
Tos isn't making the final decisions on rules or ships (I will) and if you don't have time to get your idea for a X-Skiff to him, don't panic, you can send it to me later and if there is room and it's good I'll use it ... if X1R gets picked.
| By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 02:47 pm: Edit |
When the Plasma Carroande was put together, was there any discussion of X-tech's effect on the Gorns?
As the L-torp (and often the S-torp) replaces the F-torp on Gorn ships, the Gorn's own special thing gets crowded off their hulls if it's an F-torp-only thing.
Would X1R have room for some kind of "carronade refit" to keep the weapon in play?
| By Loren Knight (Loren) on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 03:28 pm: Edit |
I would think that the L-Torp should be able to Carronade.
| By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 04:23 pm: Edit |
I would too, but the rules don't allow for it.
Then we have the case of the Gorn CX, whose plasma armament is 2xM, 2xS. No L-torps in sight.
What about that?
| By Loren Knight (Loren) on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 04:46 pm: Edit |
X-Carronade refit. Allows any launcher to use Carronade as if it were a F-Torp. This would mean not a larger Carronade but more of a down loading from the larger torp.
| By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 05:55 pm: Edit |
Loren,
The way the carronade works, the first point of energy produces the carronade damage table and any energy in the plasma launcher after that becomes +1 damage. The best a F-torp can do is [carronade damage table] +4. The L-torp would go to +6, standard load S-torp to +7, M and R-torp to +8.
Are you suggesting allowing every torp to carroande but cappng the damage at [carronade table]+4? Presumably, the carronade would use all energy stored in the plasma launcher, if less efficiently than a F-torp.
That WOULD solve any issues about how to handle envelopers and shotguns that get carronaded.
| By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 08:05 pm: Edit |
"He will post his memo in this topic not later than 20 March 2004 and will then evaluate other input from players and will email me a revised memo on 25 March 2004 (not before, not after)."
Just a reminder. I have exactly one week (3/20/04) to present the Steves with an X1R proposal. The single most important component of this proposal is a list of counters and SSDs that will be required.
"216 or 108 counters.
47, 63, or 79 SSDs.
Rulebook could be 48 or if there are alot of scenarios 64."
I am assuming that we will not need to print counters for XP ships. I need your help to determine the exact distribution of those 108 counters. Then we need to narrow that list down to 79 SSDs (I guess this means we get some duplicate counters or ammunition or something, but we need to know exactly what we want).
Time is short and this week is a very tough week for me. I need all of your help.
| By R. Brodie Nyboer (Radiocyborg) on Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 09:43 pm: Edit |
I'd say (for Fed at least):
DNXP (conjectural)
BCHXP (perhaps half dozen with no variants)
CVXP (perhaps half dozen with conjectural SCSXP)
GSCXP
CFXP
NCLXP (NCA and AEGIS variants and conjectural CLXP)
DDXP (DDG, Fast, and AEGIS variants)
SCXP (lots)
FFXP (lots of variants)
XP-Tugs
XP-Corvettes
I won't speak for the other races but a conjectural Klingon B10XP design would be fun.
| By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 09:44 pm: Edit |
I'm at work right now so I don't have access to my books. Our situation is analogous to having the Basic Set in hand (X1) and wondering what to put in Advanced Missions (X1R)
...so guys, what classes would be appropriate?
We have two directions: Specialty-X ships (minesweepers, carriers[?], PFTs[?], escorts, transports, repair ships, etc)
and
More powerful X-classes. A BCHX might be over the top, but a CHX/BCX might not be. People will be clamoring for at least some kind of DNX. Whether we accede to the demand is a different question.
If the YDNs never existed, I would cite the traditional X-ship intention of "restoring the importance of the crusier", but since the adoptions of 30-warp cruisers, DNs have been a fact of life and we'd be hard-pressed to talk our way out of producing one.
Despite X1's tendecy to dress up CWXs and DWXs as CLX's and DDX's, I think additional CWXs and DWXs are probably a bad idea. I'd tend to prefer to avoid them.
| By R. Brodie Nyboer (Radiocyborg) on Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 10:17 pm: Edit |
Doh! I suppose I should've posted this in the "XP - Partial X Upgrades" thread.
| By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 10:24 pm: Edit |
A DNX is almost a nessecity. R5 and R7 are almost exclusively "Big" ships and sold rather well. Including BB variants showing that there is a demand for big ships. Make the DNXs and BCHXs Conjectural, maybe let the Lyrans make a real BCX instead of a BCHX (which should be conjectural).
I sent Robert a listing of my reasoning on various classes and I will probably get around to making a general listing of Race/Class combos to post either tommorrow or Mon morning.
Question should we include the conjectural Andro Xships in the listing?
| By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 11:20 pm: Edit |
SVC said no to Andro X-ships for X1R. They may get published as conjectural units in a SSJ-like-CL Andro Threat File. No X-Andros in X1R.
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