) even just the ability to build NFF and NDD ships with their webcasters would have allowed them to easily take over romulan space (hmm, the tholians with the romulans economy, that's a scary thought)
| By Loren Knight (Loren) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 01:16 am: Edit |
Lyran home built fighters including Jessicas twin (P-38 style) fighter.
| By David Lang (Dlang) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 01:23 am: Edit |
for the tholians, just say that instead of a provincial capitol you have a full shipyard arrive. you don't need much more then that (we just lost a NDN, oh well it took out 50 D4 cruisers so it's a good trade )
even just the ability to build NFF and NDD ships with their webcasters would have allowed them to easily take over romulan space (hmm, the tholians with the romulans economy, that's a scary thought)
| By Andy Palmer (Andypalmer) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 07:33 am: Edit |
Tos. The name is probably a parallel to the Holy Roman Empire as opposed to having any overarching religious significance.
| By Andrew Harding (Warlock) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 07:50 am: Edit |
Yes, I meant it as a riff on the HRE (which wasn't either Holy, Roman or an Empire). Would be a *much* less unified state than the historical Lyrans, with fighting partly internally generated and partly pushed by the neighboring powers. Scenarios might, for instance pit hydran-backed Enemy's Blood lyrans (LDR designs) against Klingon-backed imperials (drone fighters) with the Duke of Peladine (plasma) and a couple of Carnivon Counts (Disr Cannon) taking one side or the other.
| By John Kasper (Jvontr) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 08:40 am: Edit |
Tholian threat file:
After seeing first the C, then the D (and hearing about the BB - flavor for this depends to some extent on the article in SSJ2) the Federation (or maybe Klingon, or maybe Romulan) Intelligence Service puts together an analysis of what the Tholians could end up welding together in the way of Capital Ships.
| By John Wyszynski (Starsabre) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 09:57 am: Edit |
I've accumulated a number of ideas for "Spices from the East" article; so far this is what I have:
| By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 10:15 am: Edit |
Lots of good ideas already!
Keep it up guys!
Is there any interest in a "Monster Issue" for SSJ?
Suppose some 'powerful' but unknown race (say on a par with the Organians) decides that the galaxy would be better off without a certain race...and arranges for 12 monsters to attack the home world at the same time?!?
to make it different, the 12 monsters could be upgraded & tougher than the originals (could you see a Planet eater balanced to battleship size?!?) suppose the "target race" only had its home fleet to defend itself with? Could make a neat F&E campaign where the player has to assign missions to his ships to meet the threat...darn shame if he could defeat 11 of the 12 but the sun snake got through!
If you wanted to make it a Tholian theme, just assume the Tholians are the target! (Oh wait, thats been done already...)
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 11:33 am: Edit |
At this point (two years? from publication) I'm going to try to not comment much as I don't want to stop the flow of creativity.
| By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 12:32 pm: Edit |
I understood that the "Holy Lyran Empire" would not be a group of fanatic religious types. What I’m proposing is that we create a group of religious fanatics bent on xenocide as a new race. Think Seltorian with an ‘all other sentient races must be exterminated’ religion and no possibility of negotiation.
| By Tony Barnes (Tonyb) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 02:28 pm: Edit |
Tos, wouldn't that be the Andros?
| By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 02:33 pm: Edit |
Similar to the Andros in mission, but with the religious fervor of the Selts.
| By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 04:57 pm: Edit |
Sure, and armed with the Solar Compression Beam, to show all us unbelievers "the light". Actually sounds kind of fun.
| By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 09:59 pm: Edit |
On the "Holy Lyran Empire" thing...What limits do you have in mind?
Xenocide is a touchy subject, and I suspect that several people might be squeamish or uncomfortable with the concept.
One of the (IMO) unstated rules is that whole populations are not killed on planetary scales...for instance when the Lyrans and Klingons overran the Kzinti Hegemony the worlds are occupied and contribute to the coalition economy...the worlds were not destroyed.
When the Paravians died out it was the result of the sun snake killing the home worlds sun, not a Gorn invasion...
The Carnivons may be an exception to this (not sure about that, will have to go back to Early Years module to check)...(can't beleive that Carnivons are treated as 2nd class citizens on Lyran or Kzinti worlds...but to me that would be superior to extermination...)
Even the Hydrans (when the worlds were conqured by the Klingons and Lyrans) were "administered" and not destroyed.
when the Tholians occupied the former Klingon colonies, the implication is that the inhabitants died...but there was that Captains Log fiction piece that showed Tholians used prison labor of captured Federation and Klingon personnel (slirdarins IIRC) so its possible that the worlds are occupied and not destroyed...its just that no one knows what happened to the people.
Not wanting to get into a fight over this, but would like to point out that you'll have to address the issue in some manner before you go farther with the concept.
| By Mike West (Mjwest) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 12:16 am: Edit |
While we are rehashing our old SSJ suggestions, I would like to mention one more:
The Direct-Fire Federation (aka Drone-Less Federation). No drones are used. Instead, their secondary weapon is an ADD-like weapon that works against both drones and plasma.
| By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 12:40 am: Edit |
The proposed race bent on Xenocide doesn’t succeed. They over extend due to religious fervor and the surrounding races team up beat them back to the stone age.
| By Christopher E. Fant (Cfant) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 12:43 am: Edit |
Sounds like the Centauri from the 5th season of B5.
| By Alexander Pitman (Dassadec) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 12:53 am: Edit |
How about a Size class 1 ship for those that do not have them. Or even scarier, a size class 0 ship for the seltorians. (Size class 0 ships = 1000 - 5000 BPV ships)
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 01:21 am: Edit |
Based on the engineering, I cannot think of a add that works on plasma. A phaser-3 would work on both drones and plasma.
| By Christopher E. Fant (Cfant) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 01:29 am: Edit |
Perhaps giving the Frax AFD to the Feds,
| By Nikolaus Athas (Nycathis) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 01:39 am: Edit |
Not to stamp on creativity but WHY whould you have plasma armed Feds Vs the Romulans?
IF you were to split the Fed fleet logistically to plasma and drone classes, wouldnt it be better to do the exact opposite?
Put the plasmas on the WESTERN front and laugh at the klingons trying to use their ADDs against them....
Swarm the Romulans with drones against their limited phaser suites....
Oh and Mike West - YAH I agree 100% Just say no to Federation Drones
Always loved your articles/SSDs of droneless Feds.
My personal twist on drones as a possible SJ look at technologies is that
1) Kzinti are the only race that use spd 32 drones - and thats what they ALWAYS used - ie EY designs and all - this would have the effect of limiting the 'C' series refits cause hey they have FAST drones - who needs more disruptors?
2) Klingons being the secondary drone users use spd 20 drones except for limited availablilty spd 32 2 turn endurance "dash" models
3) everyone else uses speed 8 drones (Feds experimented with them and didnt like them - enter the droneless feds aka Mike west - Orions find that speed 8 drones do the job of damaging slow freighters just nicely thanks very much, other types bought as rare availability)
hey its a thought ok!
| By Loren Knight (Loren) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 01:49 am: Edit |
If the Anti-Ship Missle isn't going to be considered for real then it could go here.
Also, there is the Plasma Gatling.
Two write ups you asked me to do from long ago (was a sort of experement)
| By Mike West (Mjwest) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 08:55 am: Edit |
SVC,
While my original proposal had the Direct-Fire Feds (DF Feds) using actual ADDs with anti-plasma ammo, I would change this to a weapon works like an ADD, but is different. The new weapon would damage both drones and plasma (and fighters).
The reason I don't use P-Gs is that I wanted to take ship P-Gs away from them, too. Besides, I wanted the Hydrans to stay "unique" with their use of P-Gs.
The reason I don't use more P-3s is that by adding two or four additional P-3s to Federation ships really screws up the DAC.
So, what I need is a system that is not a phaser, can damage both drones and plasma, and is destroyed by "drone" hits.
I think the operation of the system I described is OK (though I will eliminate the two different ammo types into one ammo type that works both ways). I just need to call it something besides an "ADD".
| By Robert Cole (Zathras) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 09:02 am: Edit |
The FRA in Omega uses the "Short Ranged Cannon" which does exactly what you desribe, Mike. Food for thought.42
| By Stephen W. Fairfield (Sfairfield) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 09:16 am: Edit |
For the drone-less feds, you could use a varient of the Ph-G (Ph-G-?). Works as a Ph-G, but can only fire one pulse per turn at SC 4 or larger targets, and has a 360o arc. Good vs. drones and plasma, but doesn't significantly increase anti-ship firepower. Just drop in as a 1:1 replacement for G-racks. Bonus: no ammo requirement; negative: another thing for a Fed to spend power on, less useful offensively. If it causes a problem on the DAC, could just define it as being a special system that is destroyed on Drone rather than Phaser hits.
Fed fighters would be a little trickier.
| By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 09:34 am: Edit |
This may be a silly question, but why do the droneless Feds have to have a system that will work against drones and plasma? Except for phasers, every defensive system is anti-drone or fighter only, and even the dedicated plasma races like the Roms and Gorn don't have an anti-plasma defense system; they just get more P3's. Just replace any drone on the SSD with a P3, and there you go.
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