I'm willing to take a stab at the Klingons.

Shouldn't be to hard to modify the existing SSDs for 1X tech.

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 09:19 am: Edit

1) There are 124 ships listed and I doubt there will be room for more than 95 SSDs in the booklet.

2) On a scale of 1-6 NDX and NFX are listed as a 4, which makes them borderline units in my eye. The 6 is reserved for previously published in a non-X R module. The 5 is reserved for known conjectural ships such as the BCHX class.

3) I believe the Tholians had X ships in their home galaxy, but I may be wrong. That makes the NDX and NFX likely historical, but in a galaxy far, far away.

4) I think these ships would provide some useful depth to the Tholian fleet therefore providing the players with more options.

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 09:21 am: Edit

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By Chad Carew (Blackhawkckc) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 10:14 am: Edit

I asked Mike Raper to make an X conversion of a Hydran Iriqois NCA. Worked really really well. If he can find it it might fit in here someplace.

By Charles E. Leiserson, Jr. (Bester) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 10:48 am: Edit

Tholian NDXs and NFXs would be very useful for campaigns in which the Tholians manage to keep their NDDs and NFFs alive until X-tech. Our Tholian player is very conservative with them and will likely have them around for quite some time.

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 10:54 am: Edit

Anyone who had built an Andro War freighter idea or SSD e-mail me with it, even if you have previously done so. SVC has asked me to consolidate a brief brief.

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 10:55 am: Edit

Does anyone want to volunteer to host the various designs we assemble so we can get them to live all in one place?

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 11:08 am: Edit

Tos;

I posted some comments on Tholian X1R ships but posted them in the "Tholian-Seltorian Home Galaxy + War" topic by mistake.

Charles Leiserson;

NDDX and NFFX published under those conditions do make some sense, but they would also be conjectural. And I would rather see the limited amount of space the Tholians will likely get in X1R used for ships they could historically use. It's not as though there are no gaps to fill in the historical Tholian X-fleet.

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 01:05 pm: Edit

It is oft stated that Web Caster production was limited. While this is known to be true, it is unknown if this situation ever changed. Furthermore I can't think of any historical reference to the ISC or Andros making a major play to eliminate the Tholians. To me that means the Tholians are not losing many ships after the Klingons go on the defensive. This lack of attrition continues for 20 years of builds. Either way the number of web casters in the field will grow rather significantly. Significantly enough to spare a few for an NDX program.

Has anyone compiled enough history on Tholian build schedules to estimate a web caster build rate?

By Christopher E. Fant (Cfant) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 01:14 pm: Edit

They can create 2/year with build and conversion included, starting in Spring 179.

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 01:32 pm: Edit

Cfant;

I believe you will find that under SFB rules (maybe there's a conflict between them and F&E) you will find that Tholians cannot build new web casters before Y184. Any Archeos with webs prior to that date use web casters salvaged from wrecked Neos. See the description of the CCX in Module X1, for example.

By Christopher E. Fant (Cfant) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 01:41 pm: Edit

Must be a conflict there.

By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 01:49 pm: Edit

Tos,

Sure, I'll host 'em. I can also help produce any that anyone has in mind. Just email stuff to me, and we'll go from there.

I also have a possible Fed that would be a good candidate; a strike-cruiser X. There was one built, and we don't know what happened to it, so it could have been converted. Even if not, as a conjectural unit, it's pretty sweet.

Anyway, let me know what you need. And if anyone has something they want to do, and needs help, just ask!

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 01:53 pm: Edit

Cfant;

I can't post the rule number off the top of my head, but I will be able to when I get home tonight. And as I mentioned, the CCX description in X1 specifically says that the first CCX was built with a web caster salvaged from a wrecked Neo but by the time the second one was ready for fitting out, the Tholians were able to produce new web casters.

By Christopher E. Fant (Cfant) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 02:21 pm: Edit

Alan, X1(R7.201) says the first CCX was made with a Web Caster salvaged from wrecked Neo-THolian hull, but production was up to par by the time the second CCX rolled off the assembly line.

The YIS of the CCX is Y183. CAW and CCW have a YIS of 184. So it looks like Web Caster production in SFB started in late 183. It is 179 in F&E. Not really sure of the big difference there.

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 04:11 pm: Edit

Probably production just kept up with WC's that had been destroyed beyond repair in combat before Y184.

By Christopher E. Fant (Cfant) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 04:12 pm: Edit

That's a good idea.

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 05:06 pm: Edit

I think if we looked at all Tholians with Web Casters known to be in service during some of the early years we would be forced to assume the Neo fleet brought an entire freighter filled with the things. But I haven't done the math to validate that assumption.

If we assume 2/year from Y185 to account for earlier losses that's 40 new production WC added to whatever the Neo brought with them. How big is the Tholian fleet?

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 05:07 pm: Edit

Feel free to add any SSDs you like to the list and send them to Mike. Post a link here and we will critique.

By Christopher E. Fant (Cfant) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 05:18 pm: Edit

Well, the Tholian Fleet in 181 was:

2xDNH,DN,2xCC,2xCA,2xCW,3xDD,12xPC
2xNDN,3xNCA,4xNCL
1xCVA+2xPCE,2xBW+PCE,CWV+2xPCE
3xSC,6xCPC,LTT,PFT,PFW.

Also, the tholians only build 2xPC and one other ship per year when at Peace.

By Daniel Knudtson Thompson (Brezgonne) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 06:02 pm: Edit

SSDs I have and/or have submitted to SVC over time:

Tholian:

NCHX, NCMX, NDDHX, NFHX, NCLX, NDDX, NFFX
ANDDX (looks like a scaled back C hull thats DDish size)

I can send SSDs to Mike but I'm sorta hesitant since last I knew anything posted up on the web isn't likely to be published under a "They already have it" logic.

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As far as a X-ship between the DDX and the CCX, I do agree there should be something there. The CW type hull seems logical even if it wouldn't nessicarily be easier to build than a full CCX.

I'd say something smaller than a CW but bigger than a DD. I'm gonig to try and make one but I can't think of the movement cost for the world of me.

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 06:22 pm: Edit

I expected some hesitation on that point.

Perhaps we should use one of the password required login sites like:
photos.yahoo.com
groups.yahoo.com
and make people request access.

By Jeff Tonglet (Blackbeard) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 06:28 pm: Edit

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By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 08:14 pm: Edit

Nah, it's okay to post stuff to a link; I just can't post them on my site for anyone to get at and leave them up. Every SSD I submitted that's been published was on my site at one time or other. But, if someone wants to create a Yahoo group and invite those of us on the board to join, that'd work too.

I will still help make anything anyone is interested in.

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 08:24 pm: Edit

I'd say its up to Daniel. Do you feel comfortable placing something on Mike's page with the knowledge that the only link to it was from this site?