Jeff, no X2. This covers the time period from Y186-Y204; Andro War. There may be some non-X support ships necessary to make OpU a success, or those could land in R11. The anti-RTN strike PFT may land in K2. IMO this module would include XP rules and an updated OpU. Perhaps a new campaign called OpU Logistics Command.

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 09:01 pm: Edit

Cfant and Kludge;

Well, I'm home now, and the rule I was looking for is R7.R2 in Module C2. (Note - I have the 1991 Edition.) Direct quotes from R7.R2 are as follows.

"The Tholians were able to produce a very limited number of web caster weapons beginning in Y184." - (First sentence of R7.R2.)

"The construction rate for new web casters is one WC per six-month campaign turn." - (Production Note from same rule.)

As I said, I have the 1991 Edition of C2. Is there something more recent that specifically changes this? If so, could you cite the specific reference? If nothing more recent does change this, than production starting in Y184 and only one produced every 6 months still seem the definitive answers.

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 09:16 pm: Edit

P.S.

I can't find a specific date for web caster production in this galaxy in the Master Rulebook. But the MRB does list Y183 as the date the Tholians can start modifying web generators into snares (E13.0). This seems to me to give indirect support to the proposition (though it obviously doesn't prove it) that web caster production starts in Y184, or very close to that date.

By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Monday, September 27, 2004 - 01:14 am: Edit

Some heavy Rom SSDs

Novahawk-X

Regalhawk-X


And some BCHXs

Shadowhawk-X

Blackhawk-X

By Joseph R Carlson (Jrc) on Friday, October 01, 2004 - 03:16 pm: Edit

Another Romulan ship. I created an improved Skyhawk Super Skyhawk). I have a PFT and LTT version I am working on.

http://www.vorlonagent.com/sfb/x1/joecarlson/ROM_SKX-SUPER%20V2.GIF

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Friday, October 01, 2004 - 03:27 pm: Edit

COMMENTS ON JRC SKX

Why are the Pseudo torps for A marked M?

Since they are X-batteries six is pleanty. Eight is over the top IMO.

Sensor, scanner and Dam Con tracks should be expanded by two boxes each.

Sens and Scan add one redundant first box and one middle box.

Dam Con add two "4" boxes.


IMHO

By Joseph R Carlson (Jrc) on Friday, October 01, 2004 - 03:40 pm: Edit

Loren,

Thanks for your suggestions. I orginally had M torps but changed them back to S torps at John's suggestion. With M torps I guess it would qualify for a small scary ship.

By Joseph R Carlson (Jrc) on Friday, October 01, 2004 - 10:14 pm: Edit

For X1R tugs when does the tug-pod combination become a SC2 and get into the "no X tech on SC2" area. The FED tug + battle pod is an SC2. Are there other SC2 combinations?

Can an X tug carry a GW pod?

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Friday, October 01, 2004 - 11:01 pm: Edit

I would say an X-tug can operate a non-X pod, but a non-X tug could not operate an X-pod.

Build what you like, we can argue out 'the line' with an SSD in front of us.

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Friday, October 01, 2004 - 11:38 pm: Edit

I would think the power systems would be incompatable except through the tugs pod interface so you would have to have either all X-pods or all non-x-pods.

Some pods should be able to recieve the XP refit that would have the added benefit of making them compatable with either.

By Joseph R Carlson (Jrc) on Sunday, October 03, 2004 - 11:03 am: Edit

A new idea for a fast resupply freighter. It uses a frigate forward hull, three cargo pods, and miltary grade warp engines. It is a concept ship. The YIS is probably late GW. The one use I was thinking when I designed it was OpU. The other though I had is ships like this one but without most of the weapons, could have helped start the trade wars.

Perhaps it could be used in F&E to accompany off map raid groups?

Comments are welcome
http://www.vorlonagent.com/sfb/x1/joecarlson/FED%20Fast%20Freighter_v2.GIF

By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Monday, October 04, 2004 - 10:17 pm: Edit

Does anyone have a sparrowhawk-X SSD and/or a ROC SSD they can send me?

By John Erwin Hacker (Godzillaking) on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 03:06 pm: Edit

John Trauger:
I have one for you. How do you want me to mail them to you.
Thanks, John.

P.S. You planning on doing x-tech versions?.

By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 03:32 pm: Edit

John,

Yep. Certainly a ROC-X. I'm pretty sure Module X1 has a Sparrowhawk-X in it.

I'm hoping to get specifically a Sparrowhawk-X SSD so I can simply modify it. I don't have the stats for it and my X1 SSD book is permanently MIA. (I ordered another one today from the ADB)

send to jt@otfresno.com

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 06:18 pm: Edit

John you could modify the XSP SSD on the 2X web page that I did. It's pretty close to the original.

By John Erwin Hacker (Godzillaking) on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 06:44 pm: Edit

John Trauger:

I was just thinking about the outcome of a Romulan ROC DN with x-technology on it.

WHAT A NIGHTMARE, GOING TO SCARE CHILDREN TO BED WITH IT (HEHEHEHEHEH!!!!!!).

Just joking about the children. What a sight it will be. I'll send it Thursday, that is the first chance I will have.

Use it in GOOD taste. That coming from a looooooooong time GORN player.

By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 08:04 pm: Edit

John,

Got that right.

The version I'm putting together is a monster without me really trying to make it one. No wonder DNXs are banned.

I have all the SSDs I need for the moment.

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 11:34 pm: Edit

Did you keep the 3xR?

By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 03:38 pm: Edit

You bet. I never throw anything away.

By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 07:43 pm: Edit

Per Tos' List: The Romulan contingent.

SC2:

"ROX" Dreadnought - Based on the ROC design, X-tech and a few extra phasers turns it into a killing machine.

ROX-B "RTN Buster" version - Optimized to find and kill Andro bases.


While not labelled "Conjectural", it's a safe bet these ROC-X designs were never built.


SC3

Shadowhawk-X BCHX
Blackhawk-X BCHX

To free up a small but critical amount of space, the modules were built into the hull. These ships were the only Third-generation Romulans to completely abandon the "module" concept in an effort to increase usable interior space. The "modules" used by the BCHX's cannot be used by any other ship as they are extensions of the hull, not actual modules. The BCHX hulls mark the absolute upper-limit the Romulans could push X1-technology to on a SC3 hull.

Novahawk-X Command Cruiser - A modest improvement on the Firehawk-X

SuperHawk-X Command Cruiser
Thunderhawk-X SCS and RTN Hunter

Fitting everything onto the Superhawk SSD was trouble, but the Thunderhawk was insane. I think an hour's work when into make the Superhawk work and another one for making room for the scout functions table on the Thunderhawk.

King Eagle MK. 2 - Rolandus' conversion of the King Eagle to X-technology was optimized for speed of conversion, not combat strength. The final KEX, Fabled Legend, was still in the conversion docks when the Romulan Civil War ended. The new government determined it was too far along to be scrapped so it was finished with more care than its predecessors. Any additional King Eagle conversions would use this design. Primary changes to warp power, nacelle plasmas, and FA+R/L phasers.

Sparrowhawk-EX SCS and RTN Hunter
Sparrowhawk-FX Mauler
Sparrowhawk-HX Priority Transport

The three new faces of the Sparrowhawk. The FX mauler uses the mauler capacitor system discussed on these boards.


XP Ships

Tos Crawford independently produced almost-identical designs. Mike Raper is hosting Tos' versions.

War Eagle-XP - Given that the engines aren't X, I didn't think the normal X-ship upgrade of F-torps to S-torps was appropriate (I made that change for the KEX MK2 above) so L-torps were used. The aft P-3's convert up to P-1s but aren't converted to double P-1s as the KEX's did. I consider that to be unique to the KEX.

Battlehawk-XP - The WE engines give it a better kick than a normal destroyer but not X-grade engines.

Snipe-B-XP - I guess I could have updated the F-torps to S-torps, but as with the WEXP, I decided the F-torps only should get a single step-up to L. As with the Battlehawk, the G-torp got kicked up to a S-torp. The added warp has got to make a huge difference for the hull when the third-turn of plasma arming comes along.

There was a small amount of discussion, in that the Snipe itself has a MC of 1/4 and the two 7-box warp engines make it a little rich. The solution was to kick it up to 1/3. since I edited a command version of the snipe from SFT, mine was already 1/3.

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 10:21 pm: Edit

Shouldn't the SPEX have 6 PFT links and be listed as a PFT not an SCS?

I can't wait to see the smaller more common designs. I would expect the Romulans to have the economy to support very few Cruiser-X.

By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 11:08 pm: Edit

duplicate post

By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 11:14 pm: Edit

Tos,

I put the SPH-EX and the Thunderhawk-X up on the blocks and added the needed mech links.

The SSD lists the SPH-EX as a PFT not a SCS, I just got the post wrong. It's too late to edit the post.

You may need to hit your "refresh" to see the changes.

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 10:30 am: Edit

John;

I like most of the ships, but don't see the purpose to the NovaHawk-X if either the BlackHawk-X or ShadowHawk-X is built. The NovaHawk-X is clearly inferior to those ships and I'm not sure it's enough of an improvement over the FireHawk-X to be worth it. On the otherhand, if the BlackHawk/ShadowHawk aren't built, I think the NovaHawk-X makes a lot of sense.

The other ship I'm not sure of is the King Eagle Mark-2. It's only 15 BPV more than the standard KEX, but has 6 more warp engine boxes, 2 more ph-1s, and has 2 L-torps upgraded to S-torps. My first impression was that this is a really good deal for only 15 BPV. But then, I've considered 240 BPV to be a little too high for the KEX for a while now. I'm still convinced that the Mark-2 is more than 15 BPV better than the standard KEX, but maybe 255 is about right, and it's the 240 BPV for the KEX that is off.

By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 05:19 pm: Edit

Alan,

The KEX2 BPV needs to be higher. Probably more like 275.

You may remember that a BCHX is not possible with first-generation X-technology until later tech advances allowed them, giving the NHX a good run as the heaviest allowable Rom X-ship.

Moreover, they're all on Tos' list of rom ships he wanted SSDs for. Except for the KEX2. i threw that in on my own.