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Star Fleet Universe Discussion Board: Company-Conventions-Stores-Ideas: About the Company: Compiling a list of out-of-print products 2: Archive through February 26, 2006
By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 11:33 am: Edit

Updated list

===== SFB POCKET EDITION (1979) =====
1004 Star Fleet Battles

===== SFB DESIGNER'S EDTION (1979) =====
5001 SFB Boxed Designer's Edition. 1979
1015 SFB Designer's Edition: Expansion #1
1022 SFB Designer's Edition: Expansion #2
1025 SFB Designer's Edition: Expansion #3

===== COMMANDER'S EDITION (1983) =====
5001 SFB Commander's Volume I
5008 SFB Commander's Volume II
5009 SFB Commander's Volume III
3002 SFB Commander’s Rulebook
3003 SFB Commander's Supplement #1
3013 SFB Commander's Supplement #2 X Ships
3019 SFB Commander's Supplement #3
3015 SFB Commander's Update #1
3032 SFB Commander's Update #2
3014 SFB Reinforcements #1
3024 SFB Reinforcements #2
3000 Introduction to Star Fleet Battles
3005 SFB Commander's SSD Book #1
3006 SFB Commander's SSD Book #2
3007 SFB Commander's SSD Book #3
3009 SFB Commander's SSD Book #4
3016 SFB Commander's SSD Book #5
3018 SFB Commander's SSD Book #6
3020 SFB Commander's SSD Book #7
3021 SFB Commander's SSD Book #8
3023 SFB Commander's SSD Book #9
3025 SFB Tactics Manual
3001 Battle Damage: Code Red
Nexus Magazine #1
Nexus Magazine #2
Nexus Magazine #3
Nexus Magazine #4
Nexus Magazine #5
Nexus Magazine #6
Nexus Magazine #7
Nexus Magazine #8
Nexus Magazine #9
Nexus Magazine #10
Nexus Magazine #11
Nexus Magazine #12
Nexus Magazine #13
Nexus Magazine #14
Nexus Magazine #15
Nexus Magazine #16
Nexus Magazine #17
Nexus Magazine #18
3004 Captain's Log #1
3008 Captain's Log #2
3010 Captain's Log #3
3012 Captain's Log #4
3026 Captain's Log #5
3027 Captain's Log #6
3028 Captain's Log #7
? SFB Hat
? SFB Patch (round white one)
5555 SFB Doomsday Edition Rulebook
5556 SFB Doomsday Edition SSDs
1.25" hex maps to use with miniatures.

===== SFB CAPTAIN'S EDITION, starting 1990 =====
5500 Star Fleet Battles: Captain’s Edition – Rulebook
3030 SFB Module A: Battle Cards
3031 SFB Module B: Terrain Maps
3551 Module D1 Veterans Master Ship Chart
3552 SFB Module D2 Tournament Tactics
3553 SFB Module D3: Booms & Saucers
5752 SFB Module G1: Master Annex Files
3033 Module H1: Megahex
3034 Module H2: Megahex
MO1 SFB Module MO1: Master Ship Chart
MO2 SFB Module MO2: Commando Manual
MO3 SFB Module MO3: Ship Name Registry
3501 SFB Module P1 Rules Preview
3502 SFB Module P2 X-Ships Preview
3503 SFB Module P3 Scenarios Preview
3504 SFB Module P4 Marines Preview
3505 SFB Module P5 LDR Preview
5751 SFB Module P6: Galactic Smorgasbord
3500 SFB Module T 1991 Edition
5611 SFB Module T 1993 edition
5611 SFB Module T 1996 Edition
0020 SFB Module W: Miniatures
5701 Captain's Log #8
5702 Captain's Log #9
? SFB Keychain
Embroidered SFB Patch (Rectangular: Black, white or grey)
Embroidered SFB staff patch
Embroidered SFB Judge patch
Starletter #1-92
Star Fleet Times #1-50
3601 Stellar Shadow Journal #1
5201 SFB Dice Set #1
5202 SFB Dice Set #2
5401 SFB Captain’s Lapel Pin
5901 Star Fleet Missions card game.
AoG-1 F&E Total War Preview
AoG-2 Tournament Update
AoG-3 SSD Upgrade
AoG-4 Ship Name Index
AoG-5 Minutures Rules
AoG-6 Judges Errata
AoG-7 Master Ship Chart
MO# 1 Master Ship Chart
MO# 2 Commando Manual
MO# 3 Ship Name Registry
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By Trent Telenko (Ttelenko) on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 08:20 pm: Edit

Are we ever going to see a reprint of this product:

3027 Captain's Log #6

It is the Romulan Day of the Condor issue and the Fiction stories that framed the scenarios were what I liked about the issue.

I have been looking for a copy for years since mine was lost in a move.

By Ed Crutchfield (Librarian101) on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 10:15 pm: Edit

Trent, CL 6 was B-10 Briefing, sure you dont mean CL 5 Day of the Eagle. If that is the one contact me I have 2

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 11:12 am: Edit

We plan to use those stories (and the macedonia story done later) as the core of a paperback book.

By Trent Telenko (Ttelenko) on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 11:34 pm: Edit

>sure you dont mean CL 5 Day of the Eagle.

Yep.

By Robert Russell Lender-Lundak (Rusman) on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 08:51 am: Edit

Is this topic any indication that there will at some point be any reprinting of some of the products or material?

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 03:03 pm: Edit

It wasn't supposed to be, but given the Kyocera it is possible to reprint more or less anything. The problem is that it takes X hours to do that and you have no idea what sales would result, and we can't get the new products worked on.

By Robert Russell Lender-Lundak (Rusman) on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 01:40 am: Edit

Kyocera ?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Kyocera%20

Sorry the only place I have ever heard of that word before is the name of a Cell Phone/Electronics company.
http://global.kyocera.com/

What does the word "Kyocera" actually mean?

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 02:12 am: Edit

Rusman: Where have you been Pal? The Kyocera is the machine that put ADB in the self printing business! It's been all the talk of the boards this year.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 10:15 am: Edit

RRL: We have two Kyocera-9520 print engines, each capable of doing 13,000 copies a day (max 300,000 in a month). That allows us to do all kinds of things. We have a number of products...

Master rulebook
G2
F1
R9
C3 (SSD reprint)
GPD
GK
GR
G1 Deck Plans
CL30
Planetary Operations

which are printed on the Kyocera.

The "old" way of doing the wargame business was...
1. buy minimum print run from print hours, 3,000 or 5,000 copies
2. sell some the first day (500-1000)
3. stack the rest in the warehouse
4. sell some out of that stack every month
5. pay inventory taxes and insurance on the stack
6. have the stack counted by the IRS as "value" meaning you end up with a warehouse full of paper that counts as taxable profits.

The new way is somewhat different.
1. Print as many copies as you need.
2. Sell as many as you printed.
3. print some more each month as they sell.
4. nothing is stacked in the warehouse.
5. no inventory taxes or insurance.
6. stack money in the bank account instead of paper in the warehouse.

Now, one aspect of the Kyocera is we can print things that would never sell enough copies to be sold through the stores. And one example of that is to reprint out of print captain's logs. Just haven't had time to do that yet.

By Robert Russell Lender-Lundak (Rusman) on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 10:26 am: Edit

AH....
I see said the BAT.

Well I HAVE heard about the printing machine that SVC picked up for ADB but did not know it was made by Kyocera. Thanks for filling me in guys. (and I thought my vocabulary was beginning to slip).


Quote:

The new way is somewhat different.


Of course a down Kyocera means bad news for ADB. That must be why you have two print devices there.

And I would tend to presume that the reprinting of pre-Captains Log #8 would mean that they would be first updated to the Captains Edition rules?

By Michael Powers (Mtpowers) on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 10:28 am: Edit

And the very next year, the IRS started putting an annual tax equal to 100% of the purchase price on printers used for business purposes by businesses other than print shops...and print shops were charged a $20,000-dollar-per-year 'license fee'...

By Robert Russell Lender-Lundak (Rusman) on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 10:38 am: Edit

What a crock

By Michael Powers (Mtpowers) on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 12:27 pm: Edit

(PS I was being cynically satirical, not actually suggesting that this happened, or will happen...)

edit: RE: Updating early CL. Actually, I almost think it might be fun to see the evolution of modern SFB, through the Captain's Logs. (Remember how the Vudar were the "Vudavians"? And how J2 was just going to be a big book of carrier squadrons with all three SSDs crammed onto a single sheet?)

By Kevin Howard (Jarawara) on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 02:36 pm: Edit

I agree with MtPowers. If we reprint the early stuff, Captain's Logs and the like, I would only want to see corrections done to typos (where a section of the story got lost or something). All the game related material I'd like to keep old and out of date, because it was correct for the time it was printed. Especially the commentary and "upcoming products".

If we want to see the scenarios and ships updated, they should go into a future product.

By Robert Russell Lender-Lundak (Rusman) on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 03:30 pm: Edit


Quote:

If we want to see the scenarios and ships updated, they should go into a future product.


(Or both)
Like how a couple of ships from a new race (or set) gets printed first in a CL, then the whole line of stuff gets released in the main Expansion Book.

By Kirk Knapp (Captain_Kirk) on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 08:20 pm: Edit

What happened to dice set #1? Will it be back?

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 11:47 pm: Edit

We ran out of them. I have no current plans to bring them back, but that doesn't mean it's not possible.

In theory, we'd google "custom dice" and get a quote or two and then decide whether to market them or not. I would want to go into stores with them, and that means a package (read: price) high enough for the stores to bother (around $10). No idea how many dice that might buy. Of course, when is a guy who can't get CL32 finished going to have time for this?

But of everything we CAN do, there isn't much room between what we HAVE to do and the total amount we CAN do.

By Cristopher Johnson (Nsg2002) on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 04:36 pm: Edit

ever given any thought to out sourcing your printing requirements. What I mean is a second location to print but not sell. Maybe even internationally to take away some burden?

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 08:45 pm: Edit

Outsourcing "printing" wouldn't help much (indeed would make things worse). It's not printing that's a problem. It's file preparation. Take for example CL12. We could put this back into print in about an hour after the files are prepared, but it could take one of us a dozen hours to prepare files. Ken can't do it (he doesn't know the mac technology) and it's a little beyond SPP and while Leanna or I could it, she's working overtime on mail orders and can't catch up and I'm so far behind on NEW products that getting CL12 back into print isn't even on the cold stove list.

In the specific case of custom dice, it's a lot more complicated. You have to find places to do them (several hours of google and Email and while Ken can help here he tends to go to the one guy he knows who can do them and not check other sources, which is why the pencils in FC are the ones Leanna took an entire day to find, not the much more expensive ones that Ken found in five minutes). Then you ask them for samples and maybe over two weeks some of the samples show up. Then you have to check costs, project sales, define and locate packaging, and determine the total number of dollars that will be spent (minimum print runs) and how many of those dollars will come home in the short term (you hope all of them but probably not) and then check the master budget (the only document in the office that is more complicated and less precise than the SFB rulebook) to see if we can afford to tie up that many dollars and then go back to the sales projections and see whether or not the whole thing is worth doing at all (and that step is about 80% SVC and 20% LMC and we are the busiest two people and nobody else can do it). Then you have to prepare the graphics and while Ken hails as a graphic hero in fact it takes me longer to fix what he does than do it myself (indeed, if we use the same graphics as before they're already done and I just have to pull them off the archive disks, something Ken can't do as he can't grok "old mac" like I can).

So, no, there is nothing that can be outsourced that isn't already being outsourced (at least nothing that would actually save time or money).

By Cristopher Johnson (Nsg2002) on Thursday, December 29, 2005 - 02:16 pm: Edit

I guess what I mean Steve, was to take some of the burden away from your printing requirements. Something like taking the core rulebooks, for ex. Basic, A.M., and the C Modules to someone else, so that the machines needed to produce the materials that are behind schedule a chance to print. Something that doesn't need revisions, or babysitting... know what I mean?

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, December 29, 2005 - 03:08 pm: Edit

Chris: The printing plant in this building isn't behind schedule and sits idle most of the time. "printing" just isn't an issue. "preparation" is.

The "materials that are behind schedule" are behind schedule because they are not ready to be printed, not because the printers cannot keep up.

By Cristopher Johnson (Nsg2002) on Thursday, January 05, 2006 - 03:08 pm: Edit

sorry, hope i didn't ruffle any feathers, just anxious for new products like the millions of others.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 06:39 pm: Edit

No ruffled feathers at all. Just another chance to educate people how this industry works.

By Brian J. Brusky (Killerbee) on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 07:49 pm: Edit

Steve,

On your list of out of print items, I did not see Module E1 (or E2?) Not sure about those two being totally out of print.

I do have some more for your out of print items. I recently found all my old copies of newsletters I thought I had lost. There were SubSpace Messages/News #1-5 and Mail Order Bonuses #1 and #2.

Speaking of our of print: great job on Module H1! Looking forward to H2 again. (Let's see.. that would be when? J/K) Thanks for the latest order too! Your beautiful bride did wonderful again!

Do any of these count on your list? *G*

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