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Do Federation monitors have NCC numbers?

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Monday, June 01, 2020 - 02:49 pm: Edit

It does not appear so. I don't even see names for them in any of these three PDFs:

Fed_NCC_Numbers.pdf
Starship_Name_Index.pdf
Starship_Name_Registry.pdf


Garth L. Getgen

By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Monday, June 01, 2020 - 03:03 pm: Edit

There is at least one named in the second Juggernaut story, and one light monitor in a scenario at least. But no numbers. Looking to finish my shapeways miniature.

By Jeff Anderson (Jga) on Monday, June 01, 2020 - 03:58 pm: Edit

Nick, I think NCC stands for Naval Construction Contract. If I'm right, then a Monitor would have one.

The one you referenced was named Dien Bien Phu.

By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Monday, June 01, 2020 - 04:01 pm: Edit

Yes, I believe they do too. Looking for official number for my miniature.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Monday, June 01, 2020 - 06:00 pm: Edit

They should have an NCC number as they are Star Fleet ships. Doesn't look like any have been numbered.

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Monday, June 01, 2020 - 07:59 pm: Edit

I wonder if Monitors share a characteristic with Dreadnought class ships? For example, the original DN write up in the R Module rules indicated that DNs were seldom activated during peace time. But when war was declared, they were activated from the mothball reserve.

Monitors are no longer one single class, there was a light monitor published, and IIRC there was a fast monitor proposed, and an even lighter colonial version proposed.

Between assignments the MON (the larger version with DN armament on a cruiser size frame) might well be too expensive to keep on active duty. Particularly if the smaller / cheaper versions could do the job. Why not mothball the MON units until a mission requires the additional firepower?

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, June 01, 2020 - 08:44 pm: Edit

Someone email me. If they have numbers, I have them.

By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Monday, June 01, 2020 - 09:51 pm: Edit

I don't think maintenance is as much an issue with the monitors, who spend most of their time in a system.

By Jeff Anderson (Jga) on Monday, June 01, 2020 - 10:15 pm: Edit

Excerpt from (R2.2) "... but during peacetime the dreadnought is usually docked at a starbase because it is too expensive to operate."

Excerpt from (R1.22A) "Whenever a system was threatened, a starship was dispatched to provide protection. If the threat persisted, a monitor was assigned, freeing the starship for duty elseewhere. If the threat vanished or defenses were built, the monitor was reassigned."

Implication (for me) is that monitors were far less expensive to operate than Dreadnoughts. As far as "Mothballing" them goes, I suspect that there were never enough of them to keep all of the more mobile starships relieved of guard duty.

Also, Nick, I must respectfully disagree with maintenance being less of an issue with them than with other ships. While you are correct in your assessment that they're not using their warp drive as much as other starships, they're still operating in open space and the various non-mobility systems, life support, sensor sweeps, and what-not, are under the same stresses as other ships.

As far as them using their warp drives less, I suspect they're also using their shuttles more than other ships; their lack of mobility and need to "Stand" guard on planets means they have to use their shuttles to check out any anomalous sensor contacts more often than other ships, and depressurizing and repressurizing the shuttle bays places considerable stresses on the life support systems, so the deep maintenance needed there is probably considerable.

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Monday, June 01, 2020 - 10:50 pm: Edit

Jeff Anderson:

For what it’s worth, in F&E monitors are assigned One to a planet. IIRC the Situation is, all of a planets must be guarded by a monitor before they (the monitors) can be doubled up.

Also, monitors are slow, about that of merchant ships. That does not mean they can not move or that their warp drives are unreliable. Monitors, according to the history did have combat while in convoy... the implication being the pirates/raiders were not aware of the monitor being present. Must have been a very rare event.

I am not aware of any rule concerning maintenance of monitors shuttle bays, or that the shuttle bay is particularly weak in any respect.

By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Monday, June 01, 2020 - 11:38 pm: Edit

Monitors have too much value, even in peacetime, to be in mothballs (pirates, monsters, privateer raids). Dreadnoughts are just waiting for wars. This should probably continue in the back ground topic.

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Tuesday, June 02, 2020 - 07:54 am: Edit

Nick, I think you may very well be correct that it might be better to continue the discussion in the back ground topic...

But getting a definite answer on the registry numbers should happen first. It’s important for history, fiction writers as well as for miniatures (as In decals).

By Mike Grafton (Mike_Grafton) on Tuesday, June 02, 2020 - 12:42 pm: Edit

Dreadnaughts are "in service" during peacetime. But they are docked wherever the sector admiral hangs out. I'm sure they are fully manned, not least because the Admiral has to travel around his sphere of operations.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, June 02, 2020 - 01:19 pm: Edit

Yes. Fed monitors have had hull numbers for many years.

3301 Bastille
3302 Dien Bien Phu
3303 Leningrad
3304 Stalingrad
3305 Monte Casino
3306 Vicksburg
3307 Tobruk
3308 Alamo
3309 Tientsin
3310 Eban Emael
3311 Lucknow
3312 Fort Sumter
3313 Gibraltar
3314 Fort Niagara
3315 Atlanta
3316 Malakof Bastion

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Tuesday, June 02, 2020 - 03:02 pm: Edit

If I may suggest a name for a Monitor:

Fuerte de San Lorenzo, at the mouth of the Chagres River, on the Atlantic side of Panama. For early 150 years, it protected the river-route and overland trails across the isthmus of Panama.

I've actually been there in 1989, when the ruins were still part of Fort Sherman US Army garrison.


Garth L. Getgen

By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Tuesday, June 02, 2020 - 03:34 pm: Edit

Thanks for the numbers, SVC.

By Jeff Anderson (Jga) on Tuesday, June 02, 2020 - 04:12 pm: Edit

A lot (make that MOST) of you know military history better than I do, but the monitor names in question read like a list of famous sieges. Am I totally off base?

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Tuesday, June 02, 2020 - 05:53 pm: Edit

3310 Eban Emael

Should be Eban-Emael according to various history articles on the battle.