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The problem with upgrading the Federation Destroyer is that it's only true drawback is it's lack of power, and any conversion which addresses that issue turns it into a NCL or a ship which effectively is a more powerful NCL. What I find suprising is that a design with paired Destroyer Warp Nacelles like the one from SSJ wasn't selected as the New Light Cruiser, since it's performance should be exemplary.

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Saturday, February 10, 2007 - 11:20 pm: Edit

William, that was the problem with the DDQ variant, IMO.

It was too good for the "normal" SFU.

(See Captains Log#28 for details.)

By William J Gauthier (Emperorvortia) on Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 12:24 am: Edit

It would have been a powerful but not unbalancing War Cruiser if it was treated as an SC3 vessel and had War Cruiser Move Cost, however. It would be neat to see that as an alternative to the NCL.

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 01:38 pm: Edit

Even with the changes you suggest (SC3, MC 2/3) it would still be better than the NCL IMO.

At speed 30, both the DDQ and the NCL would require 20 points of warp power, leaving the NCL with 4 points of warp energy while the DDQ would have 10.

That is a huge advantage... and it only gets better if the DDQ received the plus refit and the AWR refit.

IIRC, the ship yard report said something about the DDQ that "nothing in its size class could survive it" (or words to that effect).

You are trying to fit the equal of a CA (which is what the DDQ is) into a hole sized and shaped for a NCL... its just not the same kind of thing.

By Ed Crutchfield (Librarian101) on Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 03:01 pm: Edit

If I remember correctly the DDQ would retain the shields of the DD, that would be the only real weakness it would have.

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 03:39 pm: Edit

That's right, #1 sh = 20 boxes, #2&#6 sh = 18 and #3, #4 & #5 all had 16 shield boxes.

But the ability to zip around at speed 31 and carry full overloaded photons or reload standard photons at the same speed makes for a very powerful combination.

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Thursday, December 27, 2012 - 06:18 pm: Edit

I think this discussion is at an end, might extract some of my points about refits for an article.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, December 27, 2012 - 09:26 pm: Edit

JEANWEBMOM, STEVE NEEDS TO EXTRACT THE RELEVANT DATA AFTER CL46 IS DONE.