Fed CVA Zhukov repaired and converted after Pleiades repairs.
[SVC will mention this to SPP but he didn’t seem interested.]
[SPP will look at this for CL44 or R13, but fails to understand the point and is dubious. He thinks this is just an excuse for a new ship, not a needed ship. Anyway, the topic is the place to discuss the ship.]
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Generic Jumbo Armed Auxiliary Cruiser (3 freighter pods)
[Sounds plausible to SVC, but decision is up to SPP.]
[About as exciting as mashed potatoes, but needs done.]
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Generic PRD (Planetary Repair Dock) with rules.
[Sounds plausible to SVC. Concerned over time to write "rules" for this.]
[SPP says he doesn’t have time to research what this is.]
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Gorn HDD that replaces its Pl-S with two Pl-F
[Is this the much-discussed "carronade" ship?]
[SPP says this IS the much-discussed carronade ship, and he does not think that this ship is necessary, and is overspecialized.]
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Hydran X-frigates are listed in X1R as unpublished carrier escorts
[Sounds plausible to SVC, but decision is up to SPP.]
[Petrick says we already have a Hydran ship in CL43 and need variety. Maybe CL44.)
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ISC BBP (plasma only, no PPD), BBT (two PPD, two plasma-S)
[SPP asks if such minor modifications have any point, but says he will review them for R13.]
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Romulan fast carrier and fast escort
[SPP says that the Roms might have made a fast carrier and a fast escort by using existing modules on fast raider hulls, and will consider it for R13. He is lukewarm at best to the concept of fast carriers an escorts for everybody.]
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By Shawn Hantke (Shantke) on Sunday, May 22, 2011 - 08:19 pm: Edit

How about an Aracheo-Tholian Battleship, 5? welded PC hulls?

By Mike West (Mjwest) on Sunday, May 22, 2011 - 09:32 pm: Edit

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Gorn HDD that replaces its Pl-S with two Pl-F
[Is this the much-discussed "carronade" ship?]
[SPP says this IS the much-discussed carronade ship, and he does not think that this ship is necessary, and is overspecialized.]

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By Mike West (Mjwest) on Sunday, May 22, 2011 - 09:38 pm: Edit

Oh, and while requesting other ships for SPP to hate, I would like a Federation NCL with two photons replaced by Pl-F.

And before this request gets labelled as "unnecessary" and "overspecialized", too, I would like to highlight the already published NAL. If the NAL was worthy of print, I fail to see how an NCL with the exact same modification would be unworthy of print.

(Again, I would not sully SFB discussions with either of these ships, except that the only way the people who want this ship in FC can ever get it is for it to appear in SFB.)

By Terry O'Carroll (Terryoc) on Sunday, May 22, 2011 - 09:39 pm: Edit

A Tholian pinwheel variant that joins several PCs together in the shape of a giant robot?

By John Wyszynski (Starsabre) on Sunday, May 22, 2011 - 09:41 pm: Edit

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How about an Aracheo-Tholian Battleship, 5? welded PC hulls?

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By Jon Berry (Laz_Longsmith) on Sunday, May 22, 2011 - 10:31 pm: Edit

(edit - removed by author as no BBS topic exists. Will ponder opening a topic later.)

By Stewart W Frazier (Frazikar2) on Sunday, May 22, 2011 - 10:32 pm: Edit

Hmmm, could ask for the Lyran CS (a JGP with [near] max combat potential) though it may be better when its stablemate (CSH) can be added as well...

By Xander Fulton (Dderidex) on Sunday, May 22, 2011 - 10:49 pm: Edit

While I understand that the Romulan War Raptor I proposed over yonder is rather idling as an idea, I think that's more a failure of my specific implementation than the idea, itself.

The underlying idea is that there is a 'gap' in the Romulan Eagle-series lineup in the 'heavy cruiser' BPV range.

They have a match for destroyers (85 bpv for the Battlehawk correlates well to the Gorn DDF and Tholian DD), a match for light cruisers (100 bpv for the War Eagle corresponds well to the Gorn CL+ and Tholian CL), and a good match for command cruisers (the 140 bpv for the King Eagle in alignment with the Fed CC, Gorn CC, and Tholian CC). However, while all their bordering empires have a ship in the 'heavy cruiser' range at 120-ish BPV (Fed CA - 125 bpv, Gorn CA - 120 bpv, Tholian CA - 128 bpv, heck even the Orion CA - 127 bpv)...the Eagle Romulans have nothing in this scale in their fleet.

So...if not the War Raptor proposal I'd made, something else in this range for the Eagle-series would be greatly appreciated!

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Monday, May 23, 2011 - 01:25 am: Edit

Xander, what "Tholian CL" in the 100 BPV range are you talking about?

By Xander Fulton (Dderidex) on Monday, May 23, 2011 - 01:35 am: Edit

Ah, a typo, sorry. Meant the Fed CL for that ~100bpv slot.

FWIW, it's worth pointing out that another data points are in alignment, too. The frigate is in alignment with other empires (the Snipe-A at 65bpv not far off from the Fed FF, Gorn DD...which is well accepted as 'actually a frigate', Tholian PC, Orion LR, etc).

So you've really got a ships spaced pretty evenly in bpv...

Snipe - 65
Battlehawk - 85
War Eagle - 100
??? Missing heavy cruiser - 120
King Eagle - 140
King Vulture - 170

(And, yes, I am aware this won't work as a regular production unit - would mess with established history far, far too much. Ergo, the proposal in the other thread to make have made the design 'what the Romulans HOPED Smarba would do' for the aging Warbirds. IE., the resulting *desired* lineup would be maybe something like:

Snipe-A (Snipe warp conversion) - 65
Battlehawk (Hawk warp conversion) - 85
War Raptor (Warbird warp conversion) - ?110/120? [proposal*]
King Eagle (Kingbird warp convesion) - 140
King Vulture (Vulture warp conversion) - 170

...IE., a 'hoped for' lineup, with more appropriate spacing between ship capabilities as defined by point values - and no major 'gaps'.

*Depends if the existing War Eagle should be kept as an 'easier to make light-cruiser-like conversion' in this lineup, or just supplanted in this projected variant by the preferred upgrade path...as to whether this proposal should be 'a heavy cruiser' at 120 with the War Eagle as an easier-to-make conversion at 100...or just have this proposal as 'THE...hoped for...cruiser' at 110)

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Monday, May 23, 2011 - 03:12 am: Edit

Maybe a WE with move one and 28 warp would fit that spot (none of the other KE improvements), would sort of explain why they never built it (or at least not many).

By Michael C. Grafton (Mike_Grafton) on Monday, May 23, 2011 - 09:40 am: Edit

Lyran CL based SRL and/ or tug.

Reasoning: Lyrans came "late to the Theater Tactical Transport" concept and they REALLY need to be able to move their pallets around.

http://www.starfleetgames.com/discus/messages/12031/22096.html?1265590478

By Dixon Simpkins (Dixsimpkins) on Thursday, May 26, 2011 - 09:24 pm: Edit

Speaking of Lyran survey ships, I would like an SSD for the Lyran SRV survey carrier (R11.32A). This ship is a historical configuration and has its own rule number and counter but there is no SSD printed for it. (At least as far as I can tell.) Considering the number of other SSDs for specific Tug & Pod combinations it wwould be nice to have one for this ship too.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - 02:39 pm: Edit

I don't have a particular ship with its own thread that I would suggest above any other*; but I would ask that there be room for at least one non-Alpha ship per year (not necessarily per issue).

With the exception of the OGR and OGD, there has been a lack of new non-Alpha ships put into the magazine in recent years. Not one Magellanic ship has been added to the setting since Module C5 was released; nor have any new SFB Omega ships been published in Captain's Log in nearly a decade.

It's hard to get non-Alpha releases of any sort onto the product schedule; which is unfortunate, with so many ship types and classes still to be added for those settings (especially in Omega, where none of the empires are as well-developed logistically as the three Magellanic Powers).

At least one new ship per year, for whichever setting it would be most useful, would be better than continuing the non-Alpha drought.


*It would be neat to see what an SSD or Ship Card for a "wingless" Nebuline CA would look like, but there's no thread for that empire yet.

By Dal Downing Rambler (3deez) on Sunday, June 19, 2011 - 01:42 am: Edit

Been thing about this one a lot lately.

What about a Heavy Battle Cruiser type conversion of a Gorn Strike Cruiser (The Plasma R armed one not the 2 Plasma S Armed one.) Reasoning is that the gorns might consider such a ship as a new R armed Capital Assult Ship. The Armament could be one Type R Launcher, 2 Type F Launchers and 2 Plasma D Racks. Instead of one R, one S, two Fs. And of course a upgraded Phaser Suite for the ship regaurdles of which torpedo arrangment it settles on.

By John Pepper (Akula) on Monday, July 02, 2012 - 10:41 pm: Edit

I'm not sure if you are looking for ship suggestions but a few I would still like to see published include:

A version of Mike Raper's 4 nacelle federation heavy frigate akin to Klingon F6

Super Heavy Cruisers for the Klingons and Federation, a number of concepts would work here:
-DN rear hull + CB Saucer
-Simply a bigger BCH
-NCL hull based BCH like the one that someone made a miniature of on the FedCom forums
-A deckhouse BCH

A Fed NDD which was the precursor to the DDX mentioned in X1

Light Destroyer lots of different versions in the Federation proposals board. Maybe a FF with a DD engine, or a FF with a small secondary hull, or a FF with a squared off rear hull

DNJ

Could you add a NCA module to the bottom of an old CL? If you can it might make an interesting ship.

Could you add a U shaped warp to a fed CA rear hull? It might be another interesting idea for a literally "large cruiser".

Another early A10 carrier (opposed to the CVA) based on either the NVL or CVS design.

A version of the F101 & F111 that replaces the bay with a single photon reloadable at the carrier only

CVD with one squad replaced with F15s. Might be more of a SSJ item

A side advantage of doing more combat variants is that you may get another miniature out of them for Mongoose or at the very least another ship that can be used in Federation Commander.

By Michael C. Grafton (Mike_Grafton) on Tuesday, July 03, 2012 - 04:03 am: Edit

Proposed again:

Half sized pods that can be carried by the smaller tuglets (FFT and DWT) in active configuration. So a half sized commando pod, cv pod (maybe only optimized to carry GAS for support of commando raids? etc.

By Terry O'Carroll (Terryoc) on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 02:44 am: Edit

I'd like to see an article converting the D7H to Sharkhunter technology...
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...resulting in a bomb-throwing Anarchist.

By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 - 11:47 am: Edit

Seltorian BBL that was in Communique a few issues back. But for SFB.

By Jon Berry (Laz_Longsmith) on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 - 05:58 pm: Edit

With the C5 races as well, I submitted Command variants for the Baduvai CS (to CC), Eneen CA to CC and a Command Destroyer/Command Carrier for the Maghadim some time ago. It would be nice to have something like those available.

By John Wyszynski (Starsabre) on Thursday, December 13, 2012 - 10:13 pm: Edit

Another historical ship that has not been published is the Lyran LDD (Local Defense Destroyer). It is mention in (R11.83) as the basis for the LPF (Local Defense PFT).

As I recall, it was actually in the Module R11 Preview file.

(It seems likely the LCL (Local Defense Light Cruiser) would also exist, but I don't know of a reference.)

By Matthew Potter (Neonpico) on Friday, December 14, 2012 - 11:02 pm: Edit

I like the idea of a Tholian BC. Their development seemed to stop once the 312th showed up and they pushed out the CW designs. After that, it's just putting WCs on anything that they could drag into the yards.

By John Pepper (Akula) on Saturday, December 22, 2012 - 06:32 pm: Edit

A version of Mike Raper's 4 nacelle federation heavy frigate akin to Klingon F6

Super Heavy Cruisers for the Klingons and Federation, a number of concepts would work here:
-DN rear hull + CB Saucer
-Simply a bigger BCH
-NCL hull based BCH like the one that someone made a miniature of on the FedCom forums
-A deckhouse BCH

A Fed NDD which was the precursor to the DDX mentioned in X1

Light Destroyer lots of different versions in the Federation proposals board. Maybe a FF with a DD engine, or a FF with a small secondary hull, or a FF with a squared off rear hull

DNJ

Could you add a NCA module to the bottom of an old CL? If you can it might make an interesting ship.

Could you add a U shaped warp to a fed CA rear hull? It might be another interesting idea for a literally "large cruiser".

Another early A10 carrier (opposed to the CVA) based on either the NVL or CVS design.

A version of the F101 & F111 that replaces the bay with a single photon reloadable at the carrier only

CVD with one squad replaced with F15s. Might be more of a SSJ item

A side advantage of doing more combat variants is that you may get another miniature out of them for Mongoose or at the very least another ship that can be used in Federation Commander.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 01:32 am: Edit

Would like to see Hydran first generation X-ship versions of their FFs.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 03:16 pm: Edit

Thanks for the thread.


Under the "SFB feature" heading, I'd request for an early look at advanced technology in the Lesser Magellanic Cloud, with a pair of playtest ships apiece for the Baduvai and Eneen. (I had a go at some rules intended to explore what first-generation X-tech might look like in the LMC, or at least for these two powers in particular. But I'm not going to claim that they are worth pursuing; if Magellanic X-ships needed some other ruleset to be viable, well and good.)

While Omega X-tech would also be welcome, I figured that it would need to wait until more of the speed-30 ships get published first.


Under the "SFB ships drawn from the BBS" heading, I'd stick with the Magellanic Cloud and ask for a pair of stablemates for the Jumokian NDD; a New Frigate and New Light Cruiser.



I'm not trying to be greedy here; I just wanted to clarify which category each request is aimed at. But either way, there hasn't been a new SSD published for the LMC since Module C5. While a second Magellanic module might not be on the cards any time soon, some sort of fresh look at the Cloud as a setting would be welcome.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 05:36 pm: Edit

I don't see much chance of Omega X-tech being ready for prime time in only 3 months. I think printing a little piece of it without developing all of it would be a waste of time and a bad way to do the project.

By Dal Downing (3deez) on Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 08:07 pm: Edit

Okay I will put this one up for consideration now since there is plenty of time. Every knows what the WYN-PBB looks like and since it is published in SFB and FC it is what it is. What I am is wondering in Captain Log 18 you did a Wyn PBK (D5 PBB) design and a PBZ (Kzinti CM PBB). Now that we have seen what NCAs look like is it possible these designs have changed from the earlier concep and what would the base hull D5 and CM look like in WYN service.

Or even what would a F5 or F6 look like in WYN service.

By A. David Merritt (Adm) on Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 09:00 pm: Edit

Perhaps some more three engine Barbarians?

By Dixon Simpkins (Dixsimpkins) on Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 11:00 pm: Edit

Speaking of WYN pocket battleships, I'd like to have more PBBs based on other races war cruisers. Make them into a standard class, I suppose. Ideally, one for every race would be great but the ones I'd particularly like to have converted are the Fed NCL, Rom SP, and Gorn HDD.

(Although, that might be a better suggestion for "Ships That Never Were.")

By John Wyszynski (Starsabre) on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 03:37 pm: Edit

Additional ISC system ships, ala NCA, NCS, NDD, and NFF:

Heavy System Cruiser (NCH): CA with an underbelly with 2xPPD, boosting it to dreadnought fire power.
System Carrier (NCV): A CVF with a NCA underbelly or a CSF with a NCS underbelly.
System PFT (NPF): A PFT with a NCA underbelly.
System Scout (NSC): A SC with a NDD underbelly.

By Dal Downing (3deez) on Sunday, January 27, 2013 - 03:28 pm: Edit

I would be curious to see the unbuilt KC10R. I am sure the Romulans thought about upgrading the Behemoth just time and money never allowed it. What would it have looked like? Would they have mounted Plasma Racks?

By A. David Merritt (Adm) on Sunday, January 27, 2013 - 03:37 pm: Edit

There is a K10R in Module R5, is this what you are asking for?

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Sunday, January 27, 2013 - 03:43 pm: Edit

I think Dal's asking for the Rom version of the Klingon C10 Heavy Dreadnaught.

By Dal Downing (3deez) on Sunday, January 27, 2013 - 04:16 pm: Edit

Yes C10 not B10 conversion. I am sure it will wind up being a ship that never was but I am sure some Romulan Admiral dreamed about it.

By Andrew Granger (Captaincf) on Saturday, April 06, 2013 - 08:10 am: Edit

I always wondered what Romulan ships would look like if they kept the War Eagle shape and built their "War cruisers" like that. Like a War Eagle with 12 box warp engines, 1 plasma-r and phaser-1s on the engine or some such. I know the Eagle hulls were essentially maxed, but maybe widened hulls.

By Dal Downing (3deez) on Saturday, April 06, 2013 - 10:18 am: Edit

Actually by the time you pulled the Armor off of it and swapped the R out for a S (this is a war cruiser right) and installed the 2-Fs it would like a slightly thicker war Eagle with slightly larger diameter nacells.

In effect rearranging the Sparrowhawk SSD to look like a Warbird Hull Form I would think.

By Andrew Granger (Captaincf) on Saturday, April 06, 2013 - 02:43 pm: Edit

Exactly what I was thinking, though I would not mind seeing one wrapped around an R torpedo.

By Michael C. Grafton (Mike_Grafton) on Sunday, April 07, 2013 - 02:13 am: Edit

Dunno. I'd be more likely to accept a Hawk with "King Eagle" kind of refit.

So take that Hawk Cl equivalent, add a few warp plus some F torps on the engines and TA DA>

PLUS the Sparrowhawk is in many ways the BIGGEST of the War Cruiser hulls. And the Eagle is the smallest of the cruisers (more or less).

I don't think starting with a Sparrowhawk is the way to go.

By A. David Merritt (Adm) on Sunday, April 07, 2013 - 11:42 am: Edit

Starfleet Times #34 has an upgraded Battlehawk, it only gains one pl-F due to already having two pl-Gs. There is also a King Falcon and other Eagle hull variants, and can be purchased in .pdf form from e23.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Wednesday, April 10, 2013 - 03:58 pm: Edit

How about a Klingon first generation conversion of an F5D?

By John Pepper (Akula) on Wednesday, April 10, 2013 - 09:32 pm: Edit

•CVS or NVL with A-10s (This is really a playability thing, A-10s rarely get used because they are only on the CVA)

•NDD - Much mentioned precursor to the DDX. Lots of folks have done ideas for this. Had a neat scenario idea for this guy involving a disrupted fly off (think YF-22 vs. YF-23) between a prototype NDD and NCL.

•DNJ

•NBC

•Mike Raper's Heavy Frigate from way back

•Federation Light Destroyer (FF/DD) mix. Mike West and Jeremy Gray did versions see.
http://www.starfleetgames.com/discus/messages/12031/14046.html?1155921618