Archive through July 09, 2018

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By Will McCammon (Djdood) on Saturday, February 24, 2018 - 02:30 pm: Edit

Maybe it's just because I live in a world of Star Trek and blueprints, but I think this is a really clever and graphically striking retelling of the best Trek film, in 6 minutes.
Blueprints and Particles- Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan, A 35th Anniversary Tribute

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Saturday, February 24, 2018 - 11:31 pm: Edit

Very cool. Great find, Will.

Here's another good one: "Death of the Valiant" - The Fate of Earth's First Starship


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By Mike Bennett (Mike) on Sunday, February 25, 2018 - 07:33 pm: Edit

The Valiant video was interesting. I thought sure the creator of it would find a way to make the survivors the progenitors of the Talosians.

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Tuesday, February 27, 2018 - 01:31 am: Edit

This one is AWESOME: Star Trek "The Doomsday Machine" behind the scenes.


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By Larry Lawhon (Elkhunter358) on Sunday, April 22, 2018 - 03:07 pm: Edit

A different take on ST2:TWOK....top view. The end brings a tear again as always.

Blueprints and Particles: Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan, A 35th Anniversary Tribute

By Larry Lawhon (Elkhunter358) on Sunday, April 22, 2018 - 03:08 pm: Edit

Forget the last one...didnt see it had been already posted.

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Sunday, June 03, 2018 - 08:25 am: Edit

Reality Check - A Star Trek Fan Film

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By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Tuesday, June 05, 2018 - 07:33 pm: Edit

This is flipping hilarious!

The USS Millennium Falcon


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By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Wednesday, June 13, 2018 - 05:20 pm: Edit

You HAVE to watch this one. Set your drink down first.

The Adventures of the U.S.S. Parkview: A Star Trek Fan Production


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By Gregory S Flusche (Vandor) on Wednesday, June 13, 2018 - 05:46 pm: Edit

Garth You just made my day. Was a hard rough one and that just made me laugh.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, June 13, 2018 - 06:24 pm: Edit

Nope, no laughs, just groans. Painful ones.

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Wednesday, June 13, 2018 - 09:33 pm: Edit

Call the medic! Steve's funny-bone is broken.


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By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Wednesday, June 13, 2018 - 10:46 pm: Edit

lol

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Thursday, June 14, 2018 - 09:22 am: Edit

Dude. Awesome!

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Thursday, June 14, 2018 - 04:24 pm: Edit

I can appreciate that the Kids put in a lot of effort at the behest of adults, but no Klingon gives up without a fight, and the punishment of having their ship infested with tribbles is thus their own fault.

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Wednesday, June 20, 2018 - 11:35 am: Edit

1/24 Scale N-Type Shuttlecraft

video of model


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By Will McCammon (Djdood) on Wednesday, June 20, 2018 - 04:21 pm: Edit

That's Bill Krauss' work.

The man has rapidly achieved legendary status among scale model-builders. His scratch-building skills are incredible and he has a keen eye for design. His USS Sentinel and other ships he's done are beautiful designs, incredibly executed.

By Mark Hutton (Trynda1701) on Thursday, June 21, 2018 - 08:26 pm: Edit

Wow, that is some amazing work from Bill. :)

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Monday, July 09, 2018 - 07:50 am: Edit

Oh Dear God. I just watched four YouTube videos by "Trekyards" talking about SFB ships. These videos were all done back in February & March 2018. They picked the B-10, the Andro Dominator, the Romulan SparrowHawk, and the Gorn dreadnaught-cruiser. Personally, I would have picked the FireHawk and the Gorn BC.

Would it have killed the self-proclaimed SFB expert to refreshed himself on the game and the ship backgrounds before talking about them?? I can forgive his partner because he didn't know the game at all.

Seriously, the guy didn't know where the shuttle bay is on the Gorn ship, or what the landing pads were. He got so many things wrong it stopped being funny. What he got right, he didn't explain very well. For example, he never explained that there were three generations of Romulan ships, which led to a lot of his partner's confusion.

Another annoying thing was they used Adam Turner's artwork almost exclusively. I love Adam's art. It's great eye-candy. But come on, we all know that Adam did his own thing and went off the rails occasionally. His Gorn ships are both gorgeous and awful at the same time. They're beautiful to look at, but they don't match anything from ADB published data. In that regard, they make me cringe. Now, to his credit, the video host did say that the images were Adam's interpretation and there were many other different versions out there by other artists.

The sad part is, the Trekyards guys said they plan to do more SFB videos in the future. They want to do a whole series on them. {sigh}


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By Mike Bennett (Mike) on Monday, July 09, 2018 - 09:01 am: Edit

Perhpas someone should tell him?
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By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Monday, July 09, 2018 - 09:28 am: Edit

I dunno, at least it's advertising for SFB.

By Marc Michalik (Kavik_Kang) on Monday, July 09, 2018 - 12:15 pm: Edit

Yes, things like Trekyards is a good thing for SFB. Trekyards is pretty popular, both the hosts are good, have good personalities, and are likeable. They both love space ships, from more of a modelers perspective than gaming. Stuart loves SFB and used to mention it often, he talks about SFB pretty regularly in older episodes.

Trekyards is popular with modelers and gamers. "Modeling" is a major aspect of making computer games, so there are many people who have an interest in Trekyards because they are modelers. And modeling has always been tied to gaming.

Any exposure SFB can get to modern gamers, and Trekyards is a really good one, is good for the SFU and ADB. Almost nobody under 40 has ever heard of SFB before, and today there are at least 100 million gamers in them the world. Only a literal handful of the modern gaming community would need to take an interest in SFB for that to be a nuclear explosion of sales from ADB's perspective.

It is a huge, global audience of gamers who have never heard of the best, most massive, and most complex game ever made. It wouldn't take much interest on the part of modern gamers for there to be an explosion of interest in SFB from the perspective of the comparatively tiny gaming audience that existed in SFB's glory days.

So any exposure to the modern gaming audience is advertising to a truly massive audience of gamers. I've always said that ADB's "attitude" in advertising SFB to modern gamers should be to dare them to play it. Only the most hardcore of them will have an interest in it anyway. Imply it's probably too much for computer game players to understand... and the people who will like it will learn to play it just to prove too themselves that they can.

By Will McCammon (Djdood) on Monday, July 09, 2018 - 12:46 pm: Edit

I reached out to the Trekyards guys in various forums and ways and offered them input on anything they would want. They never replied.

They're going to do what they do, which they do do well but, yes - the glaring lack of current knowledge of SFB and the errors about it they put in their videos are painful for those who do know the actual facts.

By Marc Michalik (Kavik_Kang) on Monday, July 09, 2018 - 12:52 pm: Edit

Oh... if a "you probably can't understand it" campaign were combined with a new version of SFBOL made in a modern version of Vassal (there are several of them)... that would be a force multiplier.

Will: There are very few people out there like the ones who are still here in the ADB forums today. It's obvious that Stuart was a casual SFB player in the early days, who hasn't played in years and still uses Commander's Edition when he occasionally does play. If you watch some of their older videos you'd see that the loves SFB as much as any of us, but was never more than a casual player.

We are the 1% of SFB players and since nobody else will ever get to relive having been a part of the evolution of the game, we always will be. Being as massive as SFB is, the vast majority of players will always be people who love it but only half understand it. Those are the people that everyone should be the nicest, and most supporting too. Those are the people who would keep SFB alive if it ever came back too life among young people.

EDIT: Also, those more modern versions of Vassal are 3D. Modern gamers won't get into a "spread sheet" looking game like Vassal, although the EA form is classic and still fine. It's very simple math. And, of course, 3D means you use the Shapeway's minis as ships instead of just counters. And you just package the PDF version of either Basic Set, or maybe BS, AM, and tournament, with SFBOL to be providing a complete game.

By Marc Michalik (Kavik_Kang) on Monday, July 09, 2018 - 03:05 pm: Edit

And then, of course, if it became popular you have all of SFB's expansion material to sell as DLC to continue to make money from and expand SFBOL. SFBOL would essentially give modern gamers a way of actually using the PDF version of SFB that is already available online.

There is also a concept called MTX that is widely used and commonly accepted these days. As long as it is not "pay to win". Not only would ADB's version of this not be "pay to win", it is not questionable at all because it is not even related too the game.

SFBOL's version of MTX would be providing a link on the SSD to the Shapeways mini for that ship. It's not even directly related to the game, and even players not interested will appreciate the "coolness" of a physical miniature of the ship being available for people who want it. This is downright "honorable MTX" according to the ethics of that.

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