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Archive through April 18, 2020
Nope; the Utopia Planitia yards were always located at Mars, with some portions on the surface and others in orbit.
It is dark but DS9 gave us the war the Klingons which probably killed tens of thousands followed by the war with the Dominion which probably killed millions.
Reboot trek had 6 billion Vulcans sucked into a black hole and crashed a starship into a city.
I guess I just have trouble seeing Gene Roddenberry taking trek in that direction.
Of course, he did have ww3 occurring in the main time line... so it’s possible...
I think many writers hate the traditional trekkers (and their values) and the universe GR created. They want to remake it in their own image.
Well, they did reject the original Star Trek Beyond script because it was "too Star Treky".
/sarcasm mode:on.
Star Trek, as a franchise, has got to have been one of the most successful franchises in history. (Most certainly, in Hollywood.)
Of course you have to change it so the fan base can not possibly recognize any part.
/sarcasm mode:off.
Jeff
I think people nowadays like 'darker' programs - probably started with Babylon 5 and bad things happened to the Good Guys.
In Star Trek (Original) - no senior crew ever died - if you was in a red shirt, you was toast.
ST - Next Gen, you had 1 senior person (Tasha Yar) killed - and that was more due to her personal life IIRC, rather than the character.
All nice warm and fluffy.
Battlestar Galactica (reboot) though showed what you could so and because of that darkness, it was much more enjoyable?
I think the writers have tried to make it more gritty and realistic (yes, I know we are talking about Sci Fi 
), as that's what the modern viewer wants?
Paul:
No doubt, some people have always wanted “dark” stories. But the number of movies that have “bombed” at the box office tells me that the greater number of movie patrons are more discriminating in what they want to watch. The success of Tom Hanks movies (the mr. rogers bio thing, for example) shows that a successful movie does not require a horror tag, or a R rating.
The failure of the jj Abrams trek movies to ignite the fans supports the idea that the public does not hunger for more dark movies.
Paul Howard:
Red Shirt equals death became a meme, even though Montgomery Scott only came near death a couple of times rather than being killed.
While fewer of them, blue shirt and yellow shirts also died, along with a few "coveralls" types.
So, yes, a lot of people wearing red died (like the two security types Nomad vaporized) but wearing a red shirt did not always mean death (like Ensign Garroway who survived even though the other members of his security team did not).
Deep Space Nine had more "dark" episodes than any of the other Trek shows if I recall correctly (at least before "Picard"). Note, "shows," not "films." Even at that, remember that original Trek had a very high "off screen" death count. Entire planetary systems rendered lifeless. (The Immunity Syndrome, and the Nomad episode for some examples, but there were others). So you cannot really complain about all the Vulcans (and later Romulans) wiped out in the recent JJ Abrams Trek movies.
I thought Scotty was killed by Nomad (who then subsequently 'repaired' him), so he was not immune to the red shirt syndrome.
Nick Blank:
Since he did not "remain dead" (quote marks are for emphasis, not denoting the term has been used previously in this discussion by anyone) I was covering that with "near death." There are real people (as opposed to actors 'acting') who have come back from "death."
Scotty was only "Mostly Dead."
There's a difference between "Mostly Dead" and "All Dead." If someone is "All Dead," there's just one thing you can do; go through their pockets and look for loose change. On the other hand, "Mostly Dead" means still slightly alive...
(Billy Crystal as "Miracle Max" in "The Princess Bride." Fun movie, even if the director was a Meathead... )
Jeff Anderson:
And it had probably the best sword fight ever filmed, to include the various musketeer films.
Heck, even the animated series killed a few Kzintis and had that cloud creature that had been consuming planets before Kirk and crew convinced it to stop. You know some of them were likely inhabited.
I think people are getting tired of the nihilistic/dark viewpoint of most movies/tv shows. The constant churning of conspiracy theories is so self-destructive, that people just don't wan't to live in such a dark space and is unsustainable. If everyone and everything is out to get you, you live in a pretty bleak place and need psychiatric help.
To help counter those dark ideas, I recommend "Joe Pera Talks With You" series on Adult Swim (which is pretty unique since AS usually is a garbage heap of nihilism and negativity). It is the most beautiful and comforting show EVER on television.
For lack of a better place to post this:
This is the list of "stars" on the Federation map as published in the Franz Joseph Tech Manual. I hand-copied them, and if I counted right, I got them all. Still, it is possible I missed one.
Ahzdar, Alam'Ak, Alfeaz Hajj, Alfr, Altair, Androcus, Annobon, Astrad
Behr'Ak, Caspan, Czar'Ak, Ekinus, Elohim, Esabl, Eskiis, Fomalhaut
Galina, Ghar, Ghondr, Hiemdal, Horok, Jassan, Jenshahn, Kars, Kasimar
Kep Salu, Kestral, Ketoi, K'Hotan, K'Ushui, Maat, Mazda, Mengen, Mizazh
Mondoloy, Mongo, Nakarat, Ndele, Oblik, Oomaru, Pari, Peagan, Pelione
Phardos, Pilar, Procyon, Qal'At, Qizan, Quindar, Rigil, Salayna
Samaara, Shaandra, Shahr, Sinuiji, Sirius, Tajarhi, Tali, Temir, Thelonii
Tholus, Tikopai, Tulan, Tutakai, Xanthii, Yaan, Zaahm, Za'Faran, Zindar
Garth L. Getgen
In some translations it’s pronounced and spelled Zendar
This is awesome! 1:25-scale Galileo Shuttle model
Garth L. Getgen
I wonder if Emperor Ming is still in charge at planet Mongo...
Probably not. "Mongo only pawn in game of life!" (to quote from "Blazin' Saddles")
Say what you will about Ming, but at least he was an "equal opportunity employer" (remember General Carla for example) and did not let nepotism get in the way of being even handed (the "bore worms" were used to question his daughter with his sanction).
I mean, in some ways he was "the good guy."
From a certain point of view...
Hey, look.
Ming never fell for that old saw about proving how evil you are by killing henchmen that failed him. And he offered Gordon a deal even after Gordon had killed Klytus. And Ming was "keeping the peace" on Mongo. And he was not lilly-livered about doing the dirty work himself when called for. He even allowed his subordinates to take initiative and was not a micro-manager. I mean, General Carla opened fire on Gordon on her own initiative and even dispatched War Rocket Ajax without bothering to ask Ming if she should do so, and even opened fire on Ajax when it returned on the wrong vector without bothering Ming.
Ming was a great leader who inspired his subordinates!
I think her name was Kala.
Ming liked to play with things a while... before annihilation.
Maybe Ming was trying to establish a proper, civil order that might eventually morph into a dynasty after he passed?