This product began in a discussion of what products we could do quick, soon, eventually, and someday for each product line. At the end of the list was Star Fleet Marines, and I said something about not needing or having any idea for a new product. I considered the product line complete.

Jean said that people on line had asked for PDF counters for empires without counters, such as the Gorns, Kzintis, and Tholians.

This was instantly seized upon for various reasons.

1. It was doing graphics which I love more than any other part of my job.

2. It could be done quickly.

3. It would be a new product which I had thought SFM would never get.

4. It would tie into another project that involves doing armored vehicles for SFU, something tentative titled Zvesdaya Flotte Bystrokhodny Tanko.

So I designed new tanks for the Gorns, then Kzintis, then Tholians. Then I took the weekend off.

At this point I will move the various samples from the other topic down here.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, July 24, 2020 - 06:23 pm: Edit

Preview of the new....

By Shawn Hantke (Shantke) on Friday, July 24, 2020 - 11:18 pm: Edit

AWESOME!

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, July 25, 2020 - 12:33 am: Edit

Jean designed the Gorn tank.

By Mike Grafton (Mike_Grafton) on Saturday, July 25, 2020 - 03:30 pm: Edit

The pics of the GCV/ Tank/ CFV/ GAV all look alike.

Cool. But identical.

(Look closer. They are NOT identical.--SVC)

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, July 25, 2020 - 04:40 pm: Edit

And then

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By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, July 25, 2020 - 04:44 pm: Edit

You mean the Gorns?
GCV has a smaller cannon than the Tank.
The GAV has two smaller guns.
The CPV is supposed to be the APV (no gun) but I got the wrong icon into the box.

As for the Kzintis, I think you can tell the tank and GCV apart.

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Saturday, July 25, 2020 - 07:27 pm: Edit

Will this also include new rules, or just counters?

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, July 25, 2020 - 08:36 pm: Edit

Right now it's a PDF pack of counters. Later, things may change.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Sunday, July 26, 2020 - 10:09 pm: Edit

In years I haven’t thought of a new rule SFM needs.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, July 27, 2020 - 03:10 am: Edit

The question in my mind now is just what are we trying to accomplish and how much of my time is this worth when I need to be working on CL54, GURPS Klingons Revised, GURPS Romulans Revised, Tholian MSSB, Module R4T, Shadow of the Eagle, Module R##, updated Module J Rulebook, F&E Civil Wars, FC X-Ships Attack, ACTA Reinforcements #1, and Starmada Rumors of Wars?

Note for record that there are actually plenty of counters for Feds, Klingons, Roms, Lyrans, and Hydrans.

Specifically...

Lowest Level: New counters/vehicles for Gorns, Kzintis, Tholians, ISC.

Medium Level-A: New counters/vehicles for Gorns, Kzintis, Tholians, ISC PLUS Orion, WYN, Vudar, LDR.

Medium Level-B: New counters/vehicles for Gorns, Kzintis, Tholians, ISC PLUS Feds, Romulans, Lyrans, Hydrans, Klingons.

High Level: New counters/vehicles for Gorns, Kzintis, Tholians, ISC, Feds, Romulans, Lyrans, Hydrans, Klingons, Orion, WYN, Vudar, LDR, Paravian, Carnivon.

Ultimate Level: Hard copy, scenarios, maybe one or two printed die cut sheets of counters.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, July 27, 2020 - 03:10 am: Edit

Thoughts?

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, July 14, 2020 - 05:45 pm: Edit

Jean said that I should, sometime, create a PDF pack of print-your-own counters so that every empire has a complete set in their own colors.

I figured out a preliminary format, each empire getting 140 counters as follows:
36 Marine squads
9 engineer squads
9 commando squads
9 weapons squads
3 snipers
1 prime team
3 company HQ
1 Battalion HQ
10 trucks
14 tanks
12 Ground combat vehicle (APC)
3 Ground Assault vehicles
2 command post vehicles
2 combat engineer vehicles
6 gunboats/skiffs
6 fighters
10 shuttles
4 ground assault shuttles
I think that's the full count of 140.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, July 14, 2020 - 06:15 pm: Edit

Now I am thinking of deleting 3 engineer, 3 weapons, 3 commandoes and adding 3 GWV and 6 APC.

I might also want to replace some shuttles with ground bombardment shuttles and heavy transport shuttles.

I did all of this.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Monday, July 27, 2020 - 04:43 am: Edit

What? No recon vehicles...

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, July 27, 2020 - 09:14 am: Edit

Too many other ways to do recon, existing vehicles can cover the need. The US Army uses slightly modified Bradleys for recon. But it is a thought.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, July 27, 2020 - 06:01 pm: Edit

STAR FLEET MARINES: COUNTER-ATTACK
After much discussion, it was decided that this PDF product will have 840 counters divided into six identical sets of 140: Federation, Klingon, Romulan, Kzinti, Gorn, and Tholian. These will be the first Gorn and Tholian counters for this game system. In comparison, the two existing products include at most 60 counters for each of six empires. This PDF product will include only these six sets of counters and nothing else. At some later point, we will do STAR FLEET MARINES: COUNTER-STRIKE with counters for six more empires. It is not impossible that some day STAR FLEET MARINES: COUNTER-PUNCH will appear with six more empires. We expect to get COUNTER-ATTACK posted sometime next week.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, July 27, 2020 - 06:03 pm: Edit

Counter-Attack is finished and has been emailed to Jean (who is busy with Shapeways) and Leanna (who already left for the day). Like I said, sometime next week.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Monday, July 27, 2020 - 07:38 pm: Edit

Cool. Do a lot of people play SFM?

I always thought that it could somehow be incorporated into a future flung version of F&E Garrison/Ground Combat rules in Planetary Operations.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, July 27, 2020 - 07:53 pm: Edit

I have no way to tell how many people play anything, only how many we sell.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Monday, July 27, 2020 - 09:46 pm: Edit

Oh yeah I guess I meant is there a lot of activity (sales and interaction from players for things like the CLog articles/stories)?

Just curious, I have been cleaning out the garage, bought new tables and clearing space for either a few new games or updating a few old games.

This one always had my eye as an old TSR Star Frontiers player.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, March 06, 2021 - 11:33 am: Edit

Counter-Strike and Counter-Attack were put on the PDF stores some weeks ago.