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Without wishing to bring up any acrimony, I would note that the 24 points to make the fighter go away can end up considerably less than 24 if you play the minus point game, so they are a little more vulnerable than that.

By Andy Palmer (Andypalmer) on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 10:35 am: Edit

Jeff. My point is that PDU ground bases have the same Range 5 protection that a ground based SB would have yet their is no discussion of requiring BIR=4 to target them.

By Christopher E. Fant (Cfant) on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 02:41 pm: Edit

Yeah yeah. Old argument, lets not get into it again shall we.

By John Doucette (Jkd) on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 03:40 pm: Edit

If a qualitative effect was in place, I think it would be an either/or situation. Either regiments or brigades get the bonus, but not both. It actually would make more sense to give Regiments a +1 and Brigades a +3 (and so on), as the qualitative increase is not linear as higher organizations take the field.

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 05:10 pm: Edit

Woah up the big fella!

take the prior example of a cap world and 20 btns.

10 regiments gaining +1 COMPOT would be +10 total,

5 brigades of 10 regiments would be +15 COMPOT.

2 1/2 CORPS (5 brigades with the 0.5 fraction rounded up per normal rule convention) would be what - +5?!? or another +15 COMPOT?

3 corps (again because of the rounding up of the fraction) combined to 2 army groups, at what +7 each would be +14 COMPOT,

10+15+15+14=54 COMPOT!!!!!!!!!!

the whold 20 btns only amounted to 60 COMPOT so the "quality improvement" would almost double the effect of the 20 btns?!?

or did you have something else in mind!!!!

By John Doucette (Jkd) on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 12:42 pm: Edit

Obviously I had something else in mind.

Only the largest higher organization would have an effect, thus, battalions could be organized into either regiments or brigades, but not both, and the decision would have to be made during group formation.

Given a capital stocked to the gunwales with PDUs, and assuming the current 2 batt/regt, 2 regt/bde was followed, would allow 10 regts to be formed, each receiving a +1 attack (in the same manner as the leader rule for ships), or 4 bde, each receiving a +3 (or +2), or some other combination.

If divisions and corps were allowed, then I imagine the organization would look something like 2 bde/div and 2 div/corps, thus allowing a max of 2 div or 1 corps on a capital planet. A division might get a +8 and a corps +16, maybe even +18.

A full capital planet with 10 regts would receive a +10 compot as long as all 10 regts remained intact; the moment a regiment lost a battalion, it would lose the bonus. If 4 bdes and 1 regt were present, the bonus would total 13, assuming +3/bde.

The main point is that bonuses do not apply to the sub-units of higher organizations, as the size of the bonus is tied directly to the highest organization present.

By Clell Flint (Clell) on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 02:18 pm: Edit

wouldn't it be easier to state that each higher organization adds a +1.
so 20 battalions makes 10 regiments +1 ea, makes 5 brigades an additional +1 ea, makes 2 1/2 corps (only 2 full corps)additional +1 ea.
so you get +10+5+2=+17 bonus.
If you lose a full 4 battalions you would lose 2 for each regiment lost, 1 for the brigade lost but you haven't lost any corps yet so your new extra bonus would be +8+4+2=+14

By Clell Flint (Clell) on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 02:22 pm: Edit

Personally I don't think larger formations should give a bonus against space combat at all. The extra assets available do the higher organizatons should however be useful in defending against marine assaults.

By John Doucette (Jkd) on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 04:25 pm: Edit

All depends what those assets are, Clell. My assumption about PDUs is that they represent what used to be called coastal artillery, so larger formations definitely could gain a bonus, as the presence of such organizations might represent bigger or better guns and/or better coordination, or any combination.

Your idea for calculating abonus works, too, Clell, and certainly is easier (and more playable), if not as realistic. There's something to be said for playability, though

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 01:21 pm: Edit

´Y´? Clell, why not write up the idea as a proposal?

It works better than what I proposed, and I'd say there was room for it in this thread, if you didnt want to start a new one...just be sure to put your names on for any potential credit that might happen if published. (as I said before, I dont care if my name gets included, so long as it improves the game.)