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None listed at the original printing. Some will need to be added for those other duties that they are well suited, in the rear echelon out of danger. (i.e. Shipyard construction, Conversion Yard construction, Colony construction)

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 09:26 am: Edit

Agreed.

Would it be agreeable to say:

Convoys Tempest Start:
Klingon: 2 (1 each Sector A and B)
Lyran: 2 (1 each Sector A and B)
Hydran: 1
Kzinti: 1
Fed: 0

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 02:53 am: Edit

After several days of trying to figure out how to maintain balance and stay true to the original scenario, here is how I have broken-up the GHQs for the Coalition:

Klingon GHQs

Sector A
Free Placement: D7, D6, F5L, 2xF5, E4
Klingon Territory Only: D7, D6, D5, F5

Sector B
Free Placement: D7, D5, F5L, 2xF5, E4
Klingon Territory Only: D7, D6, D5, F5

Sector C
Free Placement: D6, D5, F5L, 3xF5, 2xE4, [FV+E4A], MB
Klingon Territory Only: C8, D7C, D6, D6M, 5xD5, F5L, F5, [FV+E4A]

Sector D (MAIN EFFORT)
Free Placement: C8, D6, D5, 2xF5L, 3xF5, F5S, 2xE4, [FV+E4A]
Klingon Territory Only: D7C, D7, D6D, 5xD5, F5L, F5, TGB, FRD, 2xMB

==========

Lyran GHQs

Sector A
Lyran Territory Only: DD, FF, TGP, FRD
Klingon Territory Only: CC, CL, 2xCW
Non-Klingon Space: DN, BC, 2xCA, 2xCW, 2xCL, 2xDW, 2xFF

Sector B (MAIN EFFORT)
Lyran Territory Only: CL, FF, TGC, FRD, MB
Klingon Territory Only: CW, 2xCL, SC
Non-Klingon Space: DN, BC, CC, CA, STT, CW, CL, DW, FF, SC, [CVL+CWE+DWE]

========

In the event that the Coalition chooses NOT to go to war with the Federation on turn-7 the Coalition may use the GHQ Forces from sectors C&D to bolster forces in sectors A&B:

Klingon Sector C GHQ forces will merge with Klingon Sector B forces.
Klingon Sector D GHQ forces will merge with other Klingon Sector A forces.
Sector A will then be the Klingon "MAIN EFFORT" until it declares war on the Federation. At such time the Klingon "MAIN EFFORT" will be Sector D.

Victory conditions WILL need to be modified to reflect the advantage of having MORE ships in a given sector if the Coalition chooses not to fight the Feds.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 02:55 am: Edit

Will someone on the Team check and account for the above forces against the OOB under (602.57).

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 06:17 am: Edit

Lyran forces are correct. All GHQ forces listed as Klingon territory only are accounted for from 602.58 forces in Klingon Territory. All forces listed as Lyran Territory are accounted for in forces in Lyran Territory. Non-Klingon Space GHQ forces are from forces in any except Klingon. Their is one additional SC available in the forces available anywhere. (COMMENTS: Possble add this to the Sector A Non-Klingon Space GHQ).

Klingons were a little more difficult.

I did not use any ships from the Eastern Fleet or Imperial War Reserves. Since if the Feds aren't invaded they aren't available.

All ships were taken from forces listed as being in that territory. The only exception in the D7C for Sector C came from forces in or at adjacent bases. (COMMENT: Maybe change this to a D7)

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Saturday, May 20, 2006 - 02:57 pm: Edit

Thanks Ryan.

============

Here is the corrected Coalition GHQ Balance:

Klingon GHQs

Sector A (Alternate Main Effort if not at war with the Federation)
Free Placement (6 Ships): D7, D6, F5L, 2xF5, E4
Klingon Territory Only (6 Ships): D7C, D6, 3xD5, F5

Sector B
Free Placement (6 Ships): D7, D5, F5L, 2xF5, E4
Klingon Territory Only (6 Ships): D7, D6, 3xD5, F5

Sector C
Free Placement (10 Ships): D6, D5, F5L, 3xF5, 2xE4, [FV+E4A], MB
Klingon Territory Only (14 Ships): C8, D7, D6, D6M, 6xD5, F5L, F5, [FV+E4A]

Sector D (Main Effort)
Free Placement (13 Ships): C8, D6, D5, 2xF5L, 3xF5, F5S, 2xE4, [FV+E4A]
Klingon Territory Only (11 Ships): D7, D6D, 6xD5, F5L, F5, TGB, FRD, 2xMB

==========

Lyran GHQs

Sector A
Lyran Territory Only (3 Ships): DD, FF, TGP, FRD
Klingon Territory Only (4 Ships): CC, CL, 2xCW
Non-Klingon Space (13 Ships): DN, BC, 2xCA, 2xCW, 2xCL, 2xDW, 2xFF, SC

Sector B (Main Effort)
Lyran Territory Only (3 Ships): CL, FF, TGC, FRD, MB
Klingon Territory Only (4 Ships): CW, 2xCL, SC
Non-Klingon Space (13 Ships): DN, BC, CC, CA, STT, CW, CL, DW, FF, SC, [CVL+CWE+DWE]

========

In the event that the Coalition chooses NOT to go to war with the Federation on turn-7 the Coalition may use the GHQ Forces from sectors C&D to bolster forces in sectors A&B:

Klingon Sector C GHQ forces will merge with Klingon Sector B forces.
Klingon Sector D GHQ forces will merge with other Klingon Sector A forces.
Sector A will then be the Klingon "MAIN EFFORT" until it declares war on the Federation. At such time the Klingon "MAIN EFFORT" will be Sector D.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Sunday, May 21, 2006 - 04:19 am: Edit

Team:

Since this scenario is going to be 'sectorized' I'm looking for a way to split the Klingon & Fed forces in the C&D sectors. One factor we must take into account is that the the Fed Third & Klingon Eastern Fleets deployment areas overlap with the C/D sector boundry.

Here's my thinking...

Klingon:
1. Split the K-Eastern Fleet ship-types evenly between C&D with any odd types going to the Main Effort.
2. Activating Mothballed (12 remaining + 6 IWR) D6s: first turn at war with Feds - two D6s to Sector D, then; Falls-One D6 to Sector C&D; Springs-One D6 each Sectors A&B
3. IWR: All to sector D less one E4 to sectors A/B/C each of the three activation turns.

Feds:
1. Mothballs; Falls - CA,DD,CL,FF to Sector D, remaining balance to Sector C; Springs - CA,DD,CL,FF to Sector C, remaining balance to Sector D; (if playing beyond turn 9 then split remaining balance of mothballs between Sectors C/D/E).
2. Home fleet chops to Sector D less CA,CL,DD,2xFF,TG to Sector C;
Fifth Fleet detachment chops to Sector C (but the Reserve Marker goes to sector D);
Seventh Fleet chops to Sector D;
Second Fleet splits 2xCVL to Sector C; CVL & COV to Sector D.
3. A GHQ will be formed from Third Fleet assigned to Sector C but must be in placed in the Third Fleet deployment zone: CC,CA,CL,DD,3xFF,NCL,FFS,CF.

What might I be overlooking?

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Sunday, May 21, 2006 - 04:47 am: Edit

That looks good.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Sunday, May 21, 2006 - 04:55 am: Edit

Raider,

Don't know if you've seen or decided this. From Planet Ops pg9.

Sector Scenario Raid Allotments
Lyran: 1 to A, 1 to B, (Y176+, 1 to C); command, blockade, and special to B.

Klingon: 1 to B, 1 to C, 1 to D. (Y176+: +1 each to A, C, D). Command, blockade, and special to D.

Federation: 1 each to C, D, E. (Y176+: +1 each to C, D, E). Command, blockade, and special to D.

Romulan: 1 each to E and F. (Y176+: +1 to F and +2 to E). Command, blockade, and special to F.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Sunday, May 21, 2006 - 06:31 am: Edit

What does Hurricane show for the Federation Mothballs. The copy I have on this system says:

(603.U18) MOTHBALL RESERVES AND ACTIVATIONS: The Klingons have 12xD6 in mothball reserves; these are allocated to Sector D. The Federation has the following ships in mothball reserves allocated to Sector D: 3xCA, 9xCL, 9xFF. The Romulans Imperial War Reserve is divided evenly between sectors E & F; one ship may be activated per sector per turn.

I think we should remain consistent from Tempest to Hurricane.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Sunday, May 21, 2006 - 10:39 am: Edit

Ryan:

"From Planet Ops pg9" - there is this and a few more sector allotments in PO, CO and FO (I was the guy who suggested them )

Hurrican Mothball Allotments - Good catch and point out for me to fix in Hurricane. The mothball numbers are correct as the Klingon at start in Tempest begin with 12xD6 but add six from the IWR which allows for two D6 activations over the three turns of the scenario, leaving 12xD6 for Hurricane.

In Tempest & Hurricane I'll just assign a mothballs to the sector OOB and give an activation allotment per sector

Klingons: Falls-One D6 activation each to Sectors C&D; Springs-One D6 activation each to Sectors A&B

Feds:
Tempest Falls - CA,DD,CL,FF to Sector D, remaining balance to Sector C; Springs - CA,DD,CL,FF to Sector C, remaining balance to Sector D;
Hurricane Falls - 1xCA, 3xCL, 3xFF to each Sector C/D/E

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 02:11 am: Edit

Okay Team -- here's a rough-cut of the proposed sector division and module adds...

GW7-F171	16 Apr v1.0	Unit Hulls	Units	EP Value	Total EPs	Adj AF	Total AF			A#	Adj AFs			B#	Adj AFs			C#	Adj AFs			D#	Adj AFs
SUMMARY		Unit Hulls	Unit Ratio	EP Ratio	Total EPs	AF Ratio	Total AF			A				B				C				D
Alliance	2K	174	34%	40%	1336.0	35%	1106	2K	27%	56	412	31%	46%	118	670	44%	0%	0	0	0%	0%	0	0	0%
	AO	35	34%	40%	277.5	30%	161	AO	32%	12	52	28%	47%	23	109	43%	0%	0	0	0%	0%	0	0	0%
	CO	32	33%	36%	255.5	32%	174	CO	37%	17	99	39%	45%	15	69	40%	0%	0	0	0%	0%	0	0	0%
	FO	4	31%	38%	36.0	34%	29	FO	0%	0	0	0%	44%	4	29	52%	0%	0	0	0%	0%	0	0	0%
	PO	1	33%	33%	3.0	33%	1	PO	0%	0	0	0%	50%	1	1	50%	#DIV/0!	0	0	#DIV/0!	#DIV/0!	0	0	#DIV/0!
	Totals	246	34%	39%	1908.0	34%	1471		29%	85	563	32%	46%	161	878	44%	0%	0	0	0%	0%	0	0	0%
.														46%	44%			0%	0%			0%	0%
Coalition	2K	342	66%	60%	2006.5	65%	2077	2K	73%	149	901	69%	54%	139	863	56%	100%	26	157	100%	100%	28	156	100%
	AO	68	66%	60%	424.2	70%	368	AO	68%	26	137	72%	53%	26	146	57%	100%	8	42	100%	100%	8	43	100%
	CO	66	67%	64%	451.0	68%	370.0	CO	63%	29	153	61%	55%	18	103	60%	100%	8	43	100%	100%	11	71	100%
	FO	9	69%	62%	59.5	66%	57	FO	100%	1	4	100%	56%	5	27	48%	100%	1	9	100%	100%	2	17	100%
	PO	2	67%	67%	6.0	67%	2	PO	100%	1	1	100%	50%	1	1	50%	#DIV/0!	0	0	#DIV/0!	#DIV/0!	0	0	#DIV/0!
	Totals	487	66%	61%	2947.2	66%	2874		71%	206	1196	68%	54%	189	1140	56%	100%	43	251	100%	100%	49	287	100%
.										A				B				C				D
RACE		Unit Hulls	Units	EP Value	Total EPs	Adj AF	Total AF			#	Adj AFs			#	Adj AFs			#	Adj AFs			#	Adj AFs
Kzinti	2K	2	DN	16.0	32.0	12	24		0					2	0
Kzinti	2K	6	CV	24.0	144.0	16	96		0					6	96
Kzinti	2K	5	CVL	18.0	90.0	12	60		0					5	60
Kzinti	2K	5	CVE	14.0	70.0	9	45		0					5	45
Kzinti	2K	3	CC	9.0	27.0	9	27		0					3	27
Kzinti	2K	11	BC	8.0	88.0	8	88		0					11	88
Kzinti	2K	5	CM	5.0	25.0	7	35		0					5	35
Kzinti	2K	7	MEC	6.0	42.0	6	42		0					7	42
Kzinti	2K	12	CL	6.0	72.0	6	72		0					12	72
Kzinti	2K	3	DD	6.0	18.0	6	18		0					3	18
Kzinti	2K	18	FF	2.5	45.0	4	72		0					18	72
Kzinti	2K	16	EFF	3.5	56.0	2	32		0					16	32
Kzinti	2K	7	DF	4.5	31.5	4	28		0					7	28
Kzinti	2K	4	SF	3.5	14.0	3	12		0					4	12
Kzinti	2K	1	TGC	8.0	8.0	8	8		0					1	8
Kzinti	2K	2	TGT	6.0	12.0	4	8		0					2	8
Kzinti	2K	1	FRD	10.0	10.0	1	1		0					1	1
Kzinti	2K	6	VP	7.0	42.0	3	18		0					6	18
Kzinti	2K	4	BP	6.0	24.0	2	8		0					4	8
		118			850.5		694							118	670
	.
Kzinti	AO	2	DNL	16.0	32.0	11	22		0					2	22
Kzinti	AO	3	FKE	4.0	12.0	4	12		0					3	12
Kzinti	AO	3	FFK	3.0	9.0	5	15		0					3	15
Kzinti	AO	2	BF	10.0	20.0	7	14		0					2	14
Kzinti	AO	5	CLD	9.0	45.0	8	40		0					5	40
Kzinti	AO	5	FCR	9.5	47.5	2	10		0					5	10
Kzinti	AO	1	LAD	12.0	12.0	8	8		0					1	8
Kzinti	AO	3	SAD	8.0	24.0	5	15		0					3	15
Kzinti	AO	1	LAS	6.0	6.0	3	3		0					1	3
Kzinti	AO	1	SAS	4.0	4.0	2	2		0					1	2
Kzinti	AO	-9	CL	6.0	-54.0	6	-54		0					-9	-54
Kzinti	AO	4	CLE	7.0	28.0	4	16		0					4	16
Kzinti	AO	2	SP	3.0	6.0	3	6		0					2	6
		23			191.5		109							23	109
	.
Kzinti	CO	2	SDF	5.5	11.0	5	10		0					2	10
Kzinti	CO	1	CLG	6.0	6.0	3	3		0					1	3
Kzinti	CO	2	FFG	2.5	5.0	2	4		0					2	4
Kzinti	CO	2	LAV	16.0	32.0	13	26		0					2	26
Kzinti	CO	3	SAV	8.0	24.0	6	18		0					3	18
Kzinti	CO	1	FTL	6.0	6.0	5	5		0					1	5
Kzinti	CO	2	FTS	3.0	6.0	2	4		0					2	4
Kzinti	CO	1	MON	8.0	8.0	10	10		0					1	10
Kzinti	CO	1	M-PAL-V	8.0	8.0	6	6		0					1	6
Kzinti	CO	-4	FF	2.5	-10.0	4	-16		0					-4	-16
Kzinti	CO	-3	CM	5.0	9.0	7	-21		0					-3	9
Kzinti	CO	2	MSC	8.0	16.0	8	16		0					2	-4
Kzinti	CO	1	LTT	5.0	5.0	6	6		0					1	-10
Kzinti	CO	4	TP	2.0	8.0	1	4		0					4	4
		15			134.0		75							15	69
	.
Kzinti	FO	2	CD	11.0	22.0	9	18		0					2	18
Kzinti	FO	1	DDE	7.0	7.0	4	4		0					1	4
Kzinti	FO	1	MDC	7.0	7.0	7	7		0					1	7
		4			36.0		29							4	29
	.
Kzinti	PO				0.0		0		0						0
Kzinti	PO	1	PRD	3.0	3.0	1	1		0					1	1
		1			3.0		1							1	1
	.
Hydran	2K	2	PAL	22.0	44.0	17	34		0	2	34
Hydran	2K	1	LB	11.0	11.0	11	11		0	1	11
Hydran	2K	1	LM	11.0	11.0	11	11		0	1	11
Hydran	2K	4	DG	10.0	40.0	11	44		0	4	44
Hydran	2K	10	RN	10.0	100.0	10	100		0	10	100
Hydran	2K	1	CV	32.0	32.0	14	14		0	1	14
Hydran	2K	1	UH	24.0	24.0	10	10		0	1	10
Hydran	2K	4	HR	8.0	32.0	8	32		0	4	32
Hydran	2K	2	DE	8.0	16.0	7	14		0	2	14
Hydran	2K	1	TR	5.0	5.0	7	7		0	1	7
Hydran	2K	2	KN	6.0	12.0	6	12		0	2	12
Hydran	2K	5	LN	6.0	30.0	6	30		0	5	30
Hydran	2K	2	TG	12.0	24.0	5	10		0	2	10
Hydran	2K	2	CR	3.5	7.0	5	10		0	2	10
Hydran	2K	3	CU	2.5	7.5	4	12		0	3	12
Hydran	2K	4	AH	3.5	14.0	3	12		0	4	12
Hydran	2K	3	SC	3.5	10.5	3	9		0	3	9
Hydran	2K	3	HN	2.5	7.5	3	9		0	3	9
Hydran	2K	1	FRD	10.0	10.0	1	1		0	1	1
Hydran	2K	2	VP	14.0	28.0	6	12		0	2	12
Hydran	2K	2	BP	10.0	20.0	9	18		0	2	18
		56			485.5		412			56	412
Hydran	AO	0	LGE	22.0	0.0	17	0		0		0
Hydran	AO	1	THR	12.0	12.0	10	10		0	1	10
Hydran	AO	3	PGS	7.0	21.0	5	15		0	3	15
Hydran	AO	2	FCR	9.5	19.0	2	4		0	2	4
Hydran	AO	1	LAS	6.0	6.0	3	3		0	1	3
Hydran	AO	2	SAS	4.0	8.0	2	4		0	2	4
Hydran	AO	1	SP	4.0	4.0	4	4		0	1	4
Hydran	AO	2	DDS	8.0	16.0	6	12		0	2	12
		12			86.0		52			12	52
Hydran	CO	2	LNG	5.0	10.0	3	6		0	2	6
Hydran	CO	1	HNG	2.5	2.5	2	2		0	1	2
Hydran	CO	2	LAV	16.0	32.0	13	26		0	2	26
Hydran	CO	3	SAV	8.0	24.0	6	18		0	3	18
Hydran	CO	1	FTL	6.0	6.0	5	5		0	1	5
Hydran	CO	2	FTS	3.0	6.0	2	4		0	2	4
Hydran	CO	2	MON	8.0	16.0	10	20		0	2	20
Hydran	CO	0	FCP	4.0	0.0	0	0		0		0
Hydran	CO	1	FSP	10.0	10.0	9	9		0	1	9
Hydran	CO	2	AP	4.0	8.0	2	4		0	2	4
Hydran	CO	1	LTT	7.0	7.0	5	5		0	1	5
Hydran	CO		TR	5.0	0.0	7	0		0		0
		17			121.5		99			17	99
Hydran	FO				0.0		0		0		0
Hydran	FO				0.0		0		0		0
		0			0.0		0			0	0
Hydran	PO				0.0		0		0		0
Hydran	PO				0.0		0		0	0	0
		0			0.0		0			0	0
.
Coalition		Ship Hulls	Units	EP Value	Total EPs	Adj AF	Total AF
Klingon	2K	4	C8	16.0	64.0	12	48		0	1	12			1	12			1	12			1	12
Klingon	2K	5	D7C	9.0	45.0	9	45		0	3	27			2	18				0				0
Klingon	2K	14	D7	8.0	112.0	8	112		0	4	32			8	64			1	8			1	8
Klingon	2K	2	D7V	22.0	44.0	13	26		0	1	13			1	13				0				0
Klingon	2K	15	D6	8.0	120.0	7	105		0	8	56			4	28			2	14			1	7
Klingon	2K	8	D6D	11.0	88.0	9	72		0	2	18			5	45				0			1	9
Klingon	2K	4	D6M	10.0	40.0	10	40		0	1	10			2	20			1	10				0
Klingon	2K	1	D6V	18.0	18.0	12	12		0		0			1	12				0				0
Klingon	2K	42	D5	5.0	210.0	7	294		0	12	84			16	112			7	49			7	49
Klingon	2K	2	D5V	19.0	38.0	12	24		0	1	12			1	12				0				0
Klingon	2K	4	AD5	6.0	24.0	6	24		0	2	12			2	12				0				0
Klingon	2K	2	D5S	8.0	16.0	5	10		0	0	0			2	10				0				0
Klingon	2K	17	F5L	4.0	68.0	6	102		0	6	36			6	36			2	12			3	18
Klingon	2K	34	F5	3.0	102.0	5	170		0	13	65			13	65			4	20			4	20
Klingon	2K	7	FV	12.0	84.0	8	56		0	1	8			3	24			2	16			1	8
Klingon	2K	4	F5E	4.0	16.0	4	16		0	2	8			2	8				0				0
Klingon	2K	7	F5S	4.0	28.0	3	21		0	4	12			2	6				0			1	3
Klingon	2K	27	E4	2.5	67.5	4	108		0	13	52			10	40			2	8			2	8
Klingon	2K	9	E4A	3.5	31.5	2	18		0	1	2			5	10			2	4			1	2
Klingon	2K	2	TGA	8.0	16.0	8	16		0	1	8			1	8				0				0
Klingon	2K	2	TGB	8.0	16.0	4	8		0	1	4				0				0			1	4
Klingon	2K	3	FRD	10.0	30.0	1	3		0	1	1			1	1				0			1	1
Klingon	2K	4	VP2	6.0	24.0	2	8		0	1	2			1	2			1	2			1	2
Klingon	2K	2	DP	6.0	12.0	3	6		0		0			1	3				0			1	3
Klingon	2K	4	BP	4.0	16.0	2	8		0	1	2			1	2			1	2			1	2
		225			1330.0		1352			80	476			91	563			26	157			28	156
Klingon	AO	2	C5	16.0	32.0	11	22		0		0			1	11				0			1	11
Klingon	AO	2	FD7	10.0	20.0	7	14		0	1	7				0			1	7				0
Klingon	AO	2	D6J	9.0	18.0	6	12		0	1	6			1	6				0				0
Klingon	AO	4	F5J	4.0	16.0	4	16		0	1	4			1	4			1	4			1	4
Klingon	AO	4	SAF	10.0	40.0	10	40		0	1	10			1	10			1	10			1	10
Klingon	AO	4	F5S	4.0	16.0	3	12		0	1	3			1	3			1	3			1	3
Klingon	AO	2	F5E	2.0	4.0	4	8		0	1	4				0			1	4				0
Klingon	AO	0	E4A	3.5	0.0	2	0		0		0				0				0				0
Klingon	AO	5	E4R	9.5	47.5	1	5		0	1	1			1	1			1	1			2	2
Klingon	AO	0	E4	2.5	0.0	4	0		0		0				0				0				0
Klingon	AO	4	D5	5.0	20.0	7	28		0	1	7			1	7			1	7			1	7
Klingon	AO	4	D5S	8.0	32.0	6	24		0	1	6			1	6			1	6			1	6
Klingon	AO	3	F5	3.0	9.0	5	15		0	1	5			2	10				0				0
		36			254.5		196			10	53			10	58			8	42			8	43
Klingon	CO	2	D7A	11.0	22.0	6	12		0	1	6				0				0			1	6
Klingon	CO	3	D6G	8.0	24.0	5	15		0	1	5			1	5				0			1	5
Klingon	CO	3	F5G	3.0	9.0	3	9		0	2	6				0				0			1	3
Klingon	CO	5	D6S	12.0	60.0	8	40		0	2	16			1	8			1	8			1	8
Klingon	CO	2	LAV	16.0	32.0	13	26		0	1	13				0				0			1	13
Klingon	CO	2	SAV	8.0	16.0	6	12		0		0			1	6			1	6				0
Klingon	CO	2	FTL	6.0	12.0	5	10		0		0			1	5				0			1	5
Klingon	CO	3	FTS	3.0	9.0	2	6		0	2	4				0			1	2				0
Klingon	CO	4	MON	8.0	32.0	10	40		0	1	10			1	10			1	10			1	10
Klingon	CO	4	TP	2.0	8.0	1	4		0	1	1			1	1			1	1			1	1
Klingon	CO	1	D5A	8.0	8.0	5	5		0	1	5				0				0				0
Klingon	CO	3	D5D	7.0	21.0	7	21		0	1	7			1	7				0			1	7
Klingon	CO	3	MD5	7.0	21.0	7	21		0	1	7				0			1	7			1	7
Klingon	CO	2	D5G	5.0	10.0	3	6		0	1	3				0			1	3				0
Klingon	CO	2	LTT	5.0	10.0	6	12		0	1	6				0			1	6				0
Klingon	CO	1	M-PAL-V	8.0	8.0	6	6		0		0				0				0			1	6
Klingon	CO				0.0		0		0		0				0				0				0
		42			302.0		245			16	89			7	42			8	43			11	71
	.
Klingon	FO	1	D6S	12.0	12.0	8	8		0		0				0				0			1	8
Klingon	FO	3	D6D	11.0	33.0	9	27		0		0			1	9			1	9			1	9
Klingon	FO	-1	D6V	20.0	-20.0	11	-11		0		0			-1	-11				0				0
Klingon	FO	1	D6Y	15.0	15.0	8	8		0		0			1	8				0				0
		4			40.0		32			0	0			1	6			1	9			2	17
	.
Klingon	PO				0.0		0		0		0				0				0				0
Klingon	PO	1	PRD	3.0	3.0	1	1		0		0			1	1				0				0
		1			3.0		1			0	0			1	1			0	0			0	0
	.
Lyran	2K	4	DN	16.0	64.0	12	48		0	2	24			2	24				0
Lyran	2K	1	STT	10.0	10.0	10	10		0		0			1	10				0
Lyran	2K	2	CVL	19.0	38.0	10	20		0	1	10			1	10				0
Lyran	2K	3	BC	10.0	30.0	10	30		0	2	20			1	10				0
Lyran	2K	3	CC	9.0	27.0	9	27		0	2	18			1	9				0
Lyran	2K	9	CA	8.0	72.0	8	72		0	5	40			4	32				0
Lyran	2K	2	CWE	6.0	12.0	7	14		0	1	7			1	7				0
Lyran	2K	21	CW	5.0	105.0	7	147		0	16	112			5	35				0
Lyran	2K	2	DWE	5.0	10.0	6	12		0	1	6			1	6				0
Lyran	2K	18	DW	4.0	72.0	6	108		0	14	84			4	24				0
Lyran	2K	10	CL	6.0	60.0	6	60		0	3	18			7	42				0
Lyran	2K	7	DD	5.0	35.0	5	35		0	1	5			6	30				0
Lyran	2K	4	SC	7.0	28.0	4	16		0	2	8			2	8				0
Lyran	2K	23	FF	2.5	57.5	4	92		0	15	60			8	32				0
Lyran	2K	2	TGC	8.0	16.0	8	16		0		0			2	16				0
Lyran	2K	2	TGP	6.0	12.0	4	8		0	2	8				0				0
Lyran	2K	2	FRD	10.0	20.0	1	2		0	1	1			1	1				0
Lyran	2K	2	BP	4.0	8.0	4	8		0	1	4			1	4				0
		117			676.5		725			69	425			48	300			0	0
Lyran	AO	1	DNL	16.0	16.0	11	11		0		0			1	11				0
Lyran	AO	2	CF	10.0	20.0	7	14		0	1	7			1	7				0
Lyran	AO	2	JGP	7.0	14.0	7	14		0	1	7			1	7				0
Lyran	AO	1	SP	5.0	5.0	4	4		0	1	4				0				0
Lyran	AO	1	HDW-COG	10.0	10.0	5	5		0		0			1	5				0
Lyran	AO	4	CW	5.0	20.0	7	28		0	2	14			2	14				0
Lyran	AO	4	DW	4.0	16.0	6	24		0	2	12			2	12				0
Lyran	AO	8	FF	2.4	19.2	4	32		0	4	16			4	16				0
Lyran	AO	4	DWS	6.0	24.0	6	24		0	2	12			2	12				0
Lyran	AO	2	KSP	3.0	6.0	2	4		0	1	2			1	2				0
Lyran	AO	1	DDE	6.0	6.0	5	5		0	1	5				0				0
Lyran	AO	1	DWG	4.0	4.0	5	5		0	1	5				0				0
Lyran	AO	1	FCR	9.5	9.5	2	2		0		0			1	2				0
		32			169.7		172			16	84			16	88			0	0
		.
Lyran	CO	2	DDG	5.0	10.0	4	8		0	1	4			1	4				0
Lyran	CO	1	LAV	16.0	16.0	13	13		0		0			1	13				0
Lyran	CO	2	SAV	8.0	16.0	6	12		0	1	6			1	6				0
Lyran	CO	1	FTL	6.0	6.0	5	5		0	1	5				0				0
Lyran	CO	2	FTS	3.0	6.0	2	4		0	1	2			1	2				0
Lyran	CO	2	SAF	10.0	20.0	10	20		0	1	10			1	10				0
Lyran	CO	2	MON	8.0	16.0	10	20		0	1	10			1	10				0
Lyran	CO	1	A-PAL	4.0	4.0	2	2		0	1	2				0				0
Lyran	CO	2	T-POD	2.0	4.0	1	2		0	1	1			1	1				0
Lyran	CO	1	DWE	5.0	5.0	6	6		0	1	6				0				0
Lyran	CO	1	CWG	5.0	5.0	4	4		0		0			1	4				0
Lyran	CO	2	KBP	2.0	4.0	2	4		0	1	2			1	2				0
Lyran	CO	2	KVH	8.0	16.0	3	6		0	1	3			1	3				0
Lyran	CO	2	LTT	7.0	14.0	6	12		0	1	6			1	6				0
Lyran	CO	1	STJ	7.0	7.0	7	7		0	1	7				0				0
Lyran	CO	0	VP+	14.0	0.0	6	0		0		0				0				0
		24			149.0		125			13	64			11	61			0	0
		.
Lyran	FO	1	CWE	6.0	6.0	7	7		0		0			1	7				0
Lyran	FO	1	CL	6.0	6.0	6	6		0					1	6
Lyran	FO	3	FF	2.5	7.5	4	12		0	1	4			2	8				0
		5			19.5		25			1	4			4	21			0	0
		.
Lyran	PO				0.0		0		0		0				0				0
Lyran	PO	1	PRD	3.0	3.0	1	1		0	1	1				0				0
		1			3.0		1			1	1			0	0			0	0

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 02:22 am: Edit

Note to Team:

The above chart is intended to show a good faith effort to maintain hull count, EP and AF ratios using the F&E2K units from the original scenario as a the basis.

The AFs used above are really a composite of AF+FF+EW+G factors.

Some units are replaced with like-hull variants from follow-on modules.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 07:33 am: Edit

Since Pods are included, should the chart also include some of the items like convoys, POL, MMG, ADM, PT, etc. (even though they are proposed by us as a team to be added to the scenario)? They do have value but not necessarily AF value. Does it matter from a balance standpoint?

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 03:40 pm: Edit

These type of special items have been handled via special scenario rules due to limits and deployment restrictions; see how I did these in the updates of "Hurricane" and 4PW in FO.

It is also difficult to put an "AF" and "unit" value on these types of things. SAFs are a good example of this kind of SWAG that was difficult to measure in terms of "AF" and "unit".

By Trent Telenko (Ttelenko) on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 11:54 pm: Edit

IIRC, the Kzinti are only allowed to construct two SAD aux-drone bombardment ships and the OB shows three.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 12:51 am: Edit

Trent:

Where does it state that? Are you only citing Annex (762)? If so, I believe Nick ruled that the OOB was correct.

The Kzinti OOB (705.0) shows 3xSAD and 1xLAD.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 09:31 am: Edit

Rule 526.5 says nothing specific regarding production limits. It further says that all relavent data is on the SIT. I checked the AO SIT (where these ships officially appear and no limits given). Rule 526.51 gives a limit of "counts against prod limits for AuxCVs of same size (442.9)". (442.9) No limits (total numbers) given. (705.0) in AO shows 1xLAD, 3xSAD at start and refers to Annex 763.0 for total limits which in AO incorrectly shows 1xLAD & 2xSAD.

I can add it into the warbook file to include a corrected Annex (763.0) [or to include my Race Charts (which compile all relevent data for each race for the GW.]

By Trent Telenko (Ttelenko) on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 05:55 pm: Edit

>Are you only citing Annex (762)?

Yep.

More specifically this:

> Annex 763.0 for total limits which in AO
>incorrectly shows 1xLAD & 2xSAD.


Which was OCBE, I see.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 09:58 pm: Edit

Yeah 762...sorry...

What is OCBE? sorry...been sniffing paint fumes all weekend.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 01:52 am: Edit

OCBE...Overcome By Events

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Saturday, November 29, 2008 - 07:14 pm: Edit

Jean: Please retain this topic.

Ryan: Please archive just-in-case...

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Sunday, November 30, 2008 - 06:00 am: Edit

Done.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 09:06 pm: Edit

Chuck, I make the following observations on the basis of this being integrated into the 2010 Rule Book.

A quick read through of this topic suggests that with the exception of the Klingon D7N, Diplomats, APTs, PTRs, and Theater Transports listed in the at start OOBs are not accounted for. Also I did not see any mention of Commercial Convoys (443.0). I did see mention of Convoys, but assume those to be Civillian Convoys pressed into service to provide supply or other related activites of convoys under (414.0). Also there is no mention of any Klingon or Lyran colonies being built/established in what I read through.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 10:24 pm: Edit

Additional Information to the above post.

WYN trade (449.0) is not accounted for in the sense of EPs in the WYNCOVIA accounts available at the start for pickup. This includes ships possibly sold to the WYN.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, March 04, 2021 - 08:26 am: Edit

This would be a great scenario to do sometime (CL55?) but not before Civil Wars and Tactical Operations are completely finished and shipped to customers. Until then, the staff needs to be gazelle intense and laser focused on getting the scenarios for CW and TO and nothing else.