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By Alan De Salvio (Alandwork) on Tuesday, August 22, 2023 - 01:17 pm: Edit

20 PDUs and Turn 6 are the problem. Too late if you are attacking the Feds on Turn 7. If you delay the attack on the Feds, take the PDUs this turn and take the capital next turn (and hope your opponent directs on you this turn - in fact I would offer up some juicy Lyran BCs just for that, maybe a couple of Klingon tugs (but not the drone pods)). If you are short on repair capacity up there, things may get dicey. But if you retreat adjacent south and stay there, and the Kzinti are in the capital, you should be able to bottle them up on 6A. You may have to temporarily abandon 1502, and fresh repairs in the Barony can likely wreak some havoc, but scrape together a couple of reserve fleets and you should be fine.

I will say that attacking the Feds T7 with a Kzinti fleet in being on 1401 is no party.

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Tuesday, August 22, 2023 - 01:43 pm: Edit

Well, if 20% of the Kzinti are already crippled, that perhaps does give the Coaliton a small chance of taking it?


As most have said though - the timing is just wrong for the Coalition - they can't afford the pain now - which 2 turns ago might have been acceptable.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Wednesday, August 23, 2023 - 08:07 pm: Edit

What Alan says is mainly what I was thinking. There is no rush to open the front against the Feds and limited war is a given at this point. We could have hung around on T5C a round or two more to hit the PDUs and soften it up but we had taken a little more damage in the south than we wanted and decided to not take a couple of battle lines worth of losses on top.

I think we can still get there. The Alliance dice have been streaky

By Charles W Popp (Captnchuck67) on Sunday, September 24, 2023 - 09:31 pm: Edit

can you do a double down build(substitution)? ,ie instead of building a C8 can you build a F5.A double
downbuild?

By Benjamin Lee Johnson (Jedipilot24) on Monday, September 25, 2023 - 06:13 am: Edit

I don't see how that would be considered a "double down build" since the Klingon OOB notes specifically permits that downgrade substitution.

By Kevin Howard (Jarawara) on Monday, September 25, 2023 - 10:43 am: Edit

Earlier versions of the ruleset I don't think allowed it, but in the current rules, yes, you can direct downsub a C8 down to an F5.

By Charles W Popp (Captnchuck67) on Monday, September 25, 2023 - 01:31 pm: Edit

im talking about above the 2 anydowngrade. In the Klingon OOB for example that is not listed as a legal one

By Charles W Popp (Captnchuck67) on Monday, September 25, 2023 - 01:32 pm: Edit

yup see it now

By Mike Erickson (Mike_Erickson) on Monday, September 25, 2023 - 03:04 pm: Edit

I think this is allowed when using PO via 450.4. I do not think that the base FE2010 game allows this type of substitution?

Although I have observed that in a number of the FE games played here online players do use the "house rule" of "can swap a frigate in for anything bigger" -- which is close to but not exactly the same as 450.4.

--Mike

By Graham Cridland (Grahamcridland) on Tuesday, October 10, 2023 - 01:46 pm: Edit

With respect to the Kzinti Capital situation above, I think there's no question that trying to take the capital on T7 is a mistake. Even if you succeed, you are going to be 2-3 turns behind against the Feds. This looks (devastated outer planets, still 20 PDU) like a Hydran first, so hopefully you have Hydrax. If that is the case, redevastate the planets T6, see if you can fight any Kzinti, if they don't come out, okay, and mostly just position yourself to overrun the Marquis area and Fed space on T7.

If you -don't- have Hydrax, then that's another problem, but it probably doesn't change anything. It's too late to take 1401 now.

By Ahmad Abdel-Hameed (Madarab) on Friday, November 10, 2023 - 06:30 am: Edit

Is it really true that the Hydrans have no ships they can turn into extra survey ships when they start their part of the war?

By Warren Mathews (Turtle) on Friday, November 10, 2023 - 06:39 am: Edit

The Hydrans can convert a LN or KN to an SR. The question is can they afford the trade off of a taking a ship on map and moving it off map. Research done by Dale Fields on the topic of adding survey ships suggests that it does pay off. However actual in game data is currently not available in a large enough data pool to support his research at this point in time.

I would suggest that if you do add an extra survey ship for the Hydrans you send a Prime Team off map for survey duty with it at you will get an faster return on investment per my research on this point.

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Friday, November 10, 2023 - 07:06 am: Edit

IIRC, the "obsolete hull" restriction on survey ship conversions was rescinded at some point, if that's what you're referring to.

By Warren Mathews (Turtle) on Friday, November 10, 2023 - 07:19 am: Edit

Jason, you are correct. The obsolete hull restriction was rescinded in the latest version of SO.

By Tom Lusco (Tlusco) on Friday, November 10, 2023 - 08:40 am: Edit

Did not know the obsolete hull restriction was removed. We house-ruled around it anyway, and in our current game (C31) the Hydrans built a single SR and sent it off-map in the early game. That ship has been responsible for ~95 survey points, which has yielded ~30 EPs or so.

If you know the capital is going to fall, seems worth it to me.

By Ahmad Abdel-Hameed (Madarab) on Friday, November 10, 2023 - 01:22 pm: Edit

Thanks, Jason and Warren. I must have older versions of SO. I wasn't aware of the change.

By John Christiansen (Roscoehatfield) on Sunday, December 03, 2023 - 02:14 pm: Edit

What does "Jumbo Eighty" refer to?

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Sunday, December 03, 2023 - 04:19 pm: Edit

It's 80 counters of Heavy and Jumbo Auxiliaries.


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