I have an SIT dated January 28 2008. It says:

UH 8+16
DE 5+3
AH 3.5
AH 3.5

So total is 20+19=39. Subtracting off 12 for free fighters, we are left with 27.

For the tug, it says 8+2. Free fighters were used, so that comes to 10.

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 03:35 pm: Edit

William - I can't see a SIT for 28th Jan - my one of 26th Jan shows the Tug as 6+2 = 8 - so I agree with Michael in that you have 2 more Ep's to spend!

I agree with the 4UH cost though!

(The UH might have dropped to 6, as the LN costs 4+2, so the UH logically would be basic 4, plus 2 for Carrier, plus fighters - but the SIT does show 8+16).

By Michael Lui (Michaellui) on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 07:10 pm: Edit

Oops. That's right, you only had 6 factors on Turn 3 since it is a Fall turn. My mistake on that part.

But if you convert a LN instead of building it directly it will still be 2 EPs cheaper, 25 instead of 27.

Are you guys using the "new" yearly fighter factors instead of the turn based ones?

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 03:59 am: Edit

Michael

Nope on Annual Fighters - as that was introrudced in AO (IIRC!).

It should balance out - although the Kzinti and Klingons might have problems buying a CVA (as they will have to pay for 6 fighters).

The Lyrans also lose out - as they only get 3 a turn - so have to buy 3, for even their CVL/CV (as will the Gorn).

Also, as you can't save factors, it's use them or lose them (I forgot the carry over rule wasn't in 2K, and so the Klingons did lose 1 Free Fighter on turn 1 - since then I have had to buy a FV group!).

The Kzinti are least effected - 6 fighters nicely sit on a CV - and from turn 4 - the Klingongs get D5V's - so, will be OK too.

On the Hydrans - I remember the conversion problem.

If you have Ep's - you can get what you want - or you can convert and lose your Conversion slots (William has used up 3 SB's with conversions, so it's probably down on where he wants the hulls - i.e. currently the SC conversion has to be built in the Old Colonies, so it's less useful there).

By Michael Lui (Michaellui) on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 06:24 am: Edit

I think you're wrong on which SBs he has used. He has used 3 SBs for conversions counting the HN->SC. The Expeditionary SB and the 2nd Fleet SB converted the LBs and the 1st Fleet SB converted the SC. The SC on his build list can be "subbed" for a HN normally at the Capital (1 per turn per 432.41, page 43) to preserve the Home SB for converting the 2 LNs and 2 HNs from the Home Fleet into the UH CV group as a Major Conversion. And he still has the Old Colonies SB available if he wants to convert something else.

And he can still put FFs directly into the 1st and 2nd Fleets, one each if he builds them at the SBs instead of at the Capital.

By Robert Padilla (Zargan) on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 06:30 am: Edit

The Lyrans and Gorn get 6 free fighters per year in base 2K. They were the only races at the time that recieved their fighter allotment all at once. Not that it helps the Lyrans any, as they have to wait until turn 6 before they get to use any of those factors anyway.

By Michael Lui (Michaellui) on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 06:37 am: Edit

Yes, but also by the base 2K rules they "must be used immediately" so the Gorns and Lyrans must make their CVs on their Spring Turns when they get their free fighter factors.

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 07:59 am: Edit

Ooops - miscounted the number of on map SB's (for some reason I temporarily thought it was 2....don't ask why or how )

I better not be the one teaching my son to count

By Robert Padilla (Zargan) on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 11:50 am: Edit

Michael, it does say that, but since it also says they get their six per year, it would make sense that they can choose if they get them in the Spring or in the Fall. I think the rule is worded that way to let the player know that any unused factors for that turn (be it Spring or Fall) are lost if not used in that turn. 431.74 does not say you get them only in the SPring turn if you only get them once a year.

By William Jockusch (Verybadcat) on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 11:55 am: Edit

It has recently come to the Sultan's attention that His Royal Shipyards have failed to plan production in the most efficient way possible. This has resulted in a tremendous waste of His resources.

The Sultan has assigned the Inspector General to investigate this matter and to report back to Him personally. The Sultan wishes it to be known that He will be lenient with administrators who have made honest mistakes, provided that they give the Inspector General's Office a complete and honest accounting of their mistakes within the next three days.

Anyone who tries to cover up their mistakes will be dealt with more severely. Corruption, such as use of the Royal Shipyard for personal profit, will be handled most severely of all.

By William Jockusch (Verybadcat) on Friday, June 20, 2008 - 05:58 pm: Edit

Dear Ambassador Kahless,

The Sultanate has no territorial claim against the Empire. However, we cannot ignore this unprovoked assault on our battle station, which is in place to support trade between the Sultanate and the Lyran Democratic Republic.

If your fleet kills one single Hydran, even a fighter pilot, a state of war will exist between the Sultanate and the Empire.

If your fleet does not leave Hydran territory within the next 24 hours, a state of war will exist between the Sultanate and the Empire.

By William Jockusch (Verybadcat) on Friday, June 20, 2008 - 10:25 pm: Edit

The Hydrans and Kzinti have discovered that they have something in common -- they both hate Lyrans! This resulted in an interesting turn, with both Alliance powers attacking aggressively.

The Hydrans, having studied German history, are anxious to avoid a two-front war and therefore attacked Enemy's Blood Duchy with great force. The BATS at 102 and 212 were both lightly defended and fell easily.

The Hydrans sent the cream of their fleet (12 very strong ships and two scouts) to the EB starbase. The starbase was almost undefended but was within range of a Lyran reserve. The outcome of this will be explained below.

A battle at the 413 BATS remains to be fought. Each side has 30-odd ships, and the battle will probably go to whoever wants it more. Obviously it would be nice for the Hydrans to get rid of the last Southern Lyran BATS, but it is unclear if it matters much in the long run as his main focus is on the Kzinti. Unless he makes a big turn South, the BATS is probably doomed sooner or later anyway.

The Kzinti sent a fleet from the Count's SB to attack the Red Claw SB. This starbase had a few ships (some crippled) and was in range of the same Lyran reserve that could defend the EB starbase. He had to choose.

If he reserved the EB starbase, the result would have been two reasonably close battles -- one at EB and the other at Red Claw. In each battle, the Alliance would have been slightly favored to kill the SB while taking either a lot of crips or a few ships killed. But depending on dice and dirdam decisions, each battle could have gone either way.

If he reserved the Red Claw starbase, then the Kzinti would have no chance of killing it, and EB would fall easily to the Hydrans.

He chose to reserve Red Claw. So the Hydrans killed EB easily, suffering only a crippled scout. From his point of view, since he is going after the Kzinti, one advantage of reserving this way is that the reserve fleet is in the North and can attack the Kzinti on his turn.

The Kzinti also sent province raiders to the two Northernmost Lyran provinces.

The Kzinti front still needs to be resolved. As he reserved Red Claw SB, the Kzinti will not try to take it. The Kzinti sent a small fleet to try to retake 1105. But he reserved the hex, and this Kzinti fleet is going to get beat up. There are some open space battles which are likely to work out to Kzinti advantage. And there is an FRD battle in 803. The Lyrans towed the FRD there as part of his plan to take Kzintai. The Kzinti are trying to kill the FRD as a small measure of revenge. And if they win the battle, the Kzinti will probably also get to pursue the crips that are waiting to be repaired at the FRD. This battle could go either way, depending on dice, dirdam decisions, and how badly he wants to win it.

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Saturday, June 21, 2008 - 05:55 am: Edit

William - excellent summary!

Bascially, I used the bulk of the 'Coalition' reserves to cover the Kzinti front and Hydran/Federation direct route to stop the Expedition - so something had to give.

I should have had a few more ships at 411 - although, it's easier to say that now (413 forces can reach 617.....411 can't).

It would have still gone done - but hopefully would have caused a couple more losses.

So far, Lyrans have lost

SB, CC (direct killed at SB), MB (was in boxes at said SB), 2 x BATS

Hydrans have lost - CU direct killed, HN crippled, SC direct crippled.

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Saturday, June 21, 2008 - 04:42 pm: Edit

Priority News - Issued for General Galactic Wide release.

Due to the unprovoked attack on our Lyran allies, which was after the generous offer of trade had been made - the Klingon Empire has found itself at war with the Hydran Empire.

Should the Hydrans compensate the Lyrans for the damage and unprovoked attack, the Klingon empire will be happy to return to a peaceful state.

It is also hoped the Federation will see the Hydrans for what they are, and will cease all trade and Diplomatic contact with the Dispotic nation of the Hydrans.

Currently, no offer of compensation has been made and therefore until it is made and accepted, the State of War will remain in force.

Klinshai, Fall 169

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Saturday, June 21, 2008 - 04:53 pm: Edit

Combat on the Hydran front has concluded.

At the Battle of 413, the Hydrans withdrew afrer only two rounds.

The Coalition met the Hydrans in the outer reaches of the system, killing the KN 'Majestic' and several fighters, and the Coaltion suffered 2 D5's crippled and a DW crippled.

(Coalition for once rolled well and Won the battle, although the Lyrans did spend 1 Command Point and overcrippled by 5).

Noticing significant Hydran elements still coming in, the Coalition withdrew the the BATS and Tug setting up the Klingon MB.

The Hydrans prceeded to attack the inner systems, but suffered of their Hellbore Systems (rolled badly again) - and 3 Lyrans CL's was crippled. A significant number of Hydran pilots died, and the UH 'Cavalier' and DE 'Vanguard' was crippled.

The Hydrans then withdrew from the system, and was not persud.

Losses at 413
Coalition 2 x D5's crippled, 3 x CL's crippled, DW crippled - 1 Lyran CP expended

Hydrans KN killed, UH and DE crippled

At 714, the Coalition fleet rapdily overcame the BATS defences, killing it in the intial salvo and suffered 5 fighter losses in exchange.

It is believed that combat is reported on the Kzinti front - but no details are yet known.

By William Jockusch (Verybadcat) on Saturday, June 21, 2008 - 06:07 pm: Edit

Basically, he wanted to win 413 a lot more than I did. I wasn't willing to put my rangers on the line, and he spent a command point, so even with normal dice I would not have come close to killing the BATS or MB setup.

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Sunday, June 22, 2008 - 07:51 am: Edit

Well, thats just it - I was happy to kill some RN's in exchange for the BATS/Tug & MB - alas they never went on the line

By William Jockusch (Verybadcat) on Sunday, June 22, 2008 - 11:52 am: Edit

Hydran Final Economy:

Left at end of Economic Phase: 11
CEDS 3
Other (Specify)
Left at end of Alliance turn: 8
Command Points 1

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Monday, June 23, 2008 - 03:46 am: Edit

Well the dice gods continued their dislike of the Coalition.

Where the Coalition could do real damage to the Kzinti...the Gods said No - and where the Kzinti could deal damage, the Gods said Yes.

At 1105 - a reserve turned up, and without any carriers, the Kzinti could have lost several major ships in persuit - but I rolled a 6 and they escaped (I think thats two failed persuits on 6's now).

At 1205 - where the Kzinti had an advantage, the dice went the wrong way again - and rather than suffer a very uneven (William has only failed 1 persuit so far, and that was on a 4+) persuit battle, I had to self kill 2 x D6 and an F5.

Elsewere - at 803, the Lyrans lost an FRD and an already crippled SC, plus suffered a couple of cripples - the Kzinti lost a EFF, and also suffered a couple of cripples.

Atleast the Mauler didn't self shock this time - I didn't risk it and Self crippled it after mauling.

Kzinti Front summary - No Kzinti planets was re-captured by the Kzinti - although they gave alot better than they took.

So, one is still hoping the dice gods return the favours....although they are now starting to build up.

By William Jockusch (Verybadcat) on Monday, June 23, 2008 - 04:08 am: Edit

Combat has been completed. The Kzinti were able to blow up an FRD. The attack on the starbase was not pressed, but the Kzinti move did force him to retreat off the starbase in order to protect his BATS at 504. This in turn disrupted his repair plans, as the crips that were at the starbase are now at the BATS.

Several Kzinti CVS groups have crippled and/or missing escorts. It looks like starting the shipyard was a mistake. The Kzinti would be better off if they had another 15EP to spend on CEDS.

The Kzinti and Hydrans have retroed back to their starbases to await the next assault.

For the first time, the Alliance is raiding provinces -- three in Lyran space.

By William Jockusch (Verybadcat) on Monday, June 23, 2008 - 04:29 am: Edit

The Inspector General's Report is complete. The Sultan has read it with interest.

The former Commander of the Tug Construction Dock was selling spare parts to the Guild for his personal profit. Naturally, this resulted in the Royal Shipyard overpaying for new tugs. Losses were approximately 2EP.

The former Commander confessed immediately and has been executed. Due to his quick confession, the Sultan has decided to spare his wives and children. They will be sold at auction tomorrow. Additionally, the Sultan has siezed all of the former Commander's lands. These are also being sold, resulting in a return of 2EP to the Royal Treasury.

The situation with the overpayment for the new UH group is more complicated. The conversion bay at the First Fleet Starbase has sat unused for the past six months. The initial error that led to this unfortunate result was a planning/allocation error in the Office of the Shipyard Administrator. Because of this error, a frigate fitted with scout sensors at the Home Starbase. This should have been done at First.

The former Admiral of the First Fleet Starbase was aware of the situation and attempted to so inform the Shipyard Administrator. However, the First Fleet Starbase encryption office coded the message incorrectly. Therefore it was never read, and the former Admiral received no reply.

Contrary to long-established protocol, the former Admiral failed to resend the message when no reply had been received over the course of 3 days. Also contrary to ]rotocol, he failed to raise the issue at last month's Liason meeting.

The Starship Conversion Command should still have caught the error. However, members of this command were suffering from "groupthink". They were also inadequately staffed, as was the Office of the Shipyard Administrator. The responsibility for this inadequite staffing lies with the Sultan, who did not put a sufficiently high priority on these activities.

Based on the above, it is clear that no single Hydran can be blamed for the error. However, it pains the Sultan greatly that three mistakes were made at the First Fleet Starbase -- two of them by the former Admiral himself. Therefore, the former Admiral has been demoted to the rank of Private. His present responsibilities include the sanitary facilities at the First Fleet Starbase. The Sultan wishes him well in his future endeavours.

The Commander of the Office of the Shipyard Administrator has graciously agreed to work for 50% pay for the next two years. His staff will work for 75% pay for the next year. The Sultan has approved ten additional full-time employees at the Office. The Sultan wishes all of these workers, who have toiled long hours under difficult conditions, well in their future endeavours.

Lastly, the former Commander of Starship Conversion has been demoted to the rank of Vice Commander in charge of Conversions at Hydrax. The Sultan wishes him well in his future endeavours.

As a result of the above, the final Hydran Treasury has increased to 10EP. Central records have been updated to indicate this fact.

By William Jockusch (Verybadcat) on Monday, June 23, 2008 - 04:39 am: Edit

Hydran Final Economy (revised)

Left at end of Economic Phase: 11
CEDS 3
Refund on Tug -2
Left at end of Alliance turn: 10


Kzinti Final Economy
Left at end of Economic Phase: 10.4
CEDS 20

Left at end of Alliance turn: -9.6

By William Jockusch (Verybadcat) on Monday, June 23, 2008 - 07:32 am: Edit

In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful

Once again, the Apostates are correct. The reason for our joy, and their sorrow, is the favor of Allah.

Islam is the best religion, as it knows all of the Prophets, including Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed. And unlike other religions, whose Books have been corrupted by changes, the Holy Koran has been passed down, unchanged, through the generations. Today it is the same as when Allah revealed it.

We repeat our suggestion to the Apostates. Let them return to Allah, and worship Allah alone. And there will be peace between us.

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Wednesday, June 25, 2008 - 07:47 am: Edit

Coalition Turn 4 economics has started (but only just!)

Klingons Roll 11 for Survey (hurrah an above average roll) : Total 20 points, 1 Province found (average per D6 is 3.33)

Klingon B10 #1 - Roll is 6 : Total 8 points (average 4)

Lyrans Roll 8 for Survey : Total 47 points, 2 Provinces found (average 3.91)

It looks like something will not get repaired...$$$$ is in Short supply!

By Michael Lui (Michaellui) on Wednesday, June 25, 2008 - 08:01 am: Edit

Klingon or Lyran? Whichever it is it is easy to fix:

Lyran: Stop giving the Klingons all those EPs and use them yourselves.

Klingon: Don't attack so much, or scrap a few extra crippled ships for the EPs.