14-LDR SIT

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By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 07:10 pm: Edit

Here is the preliminary LDR SIT. Chuck did it in word and I had to get it into excel, which is much more tredious than "cut and paste" since excel and word handle "multiple items in same cell" very differently. Anyway, it's here, and you can do reports and comments on it as you will. The bottom 1/3 is a copy of the Lyrans since I don't like the way Chuck formats "all t he junk at the bottom".

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By Trab Kadar (Trab) on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 02:39 am: Edit

Thanks for posting this Steve. I look forward to the Civil Wars module ---- someday. :)

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 10:43 am: Edit

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. We're never going to get civil wars done if we don't start building a SIT.

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 10:51 am: Edit

... a single step and already my feet hurt.


:)

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Saturday, May 30, 2009 - 02:22 pm: Edit

LDR MPT: Add to SIT; Ref 46; factors 4-5U/2-3; product CW; CR3; Available Y169; Hull MP (4); Conversion From MP: 1; Build For MP: 3; Salvage 0.75; Notes- Theater Transport, Carry 5 EPs § . STRONG - 30 May 2009

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Sunday, May 31, 2009 - 01:12 am: Edit

LDR CWX: Add to SIT. Ref 204; factors 9-8/4; product CW; CR7; available Y183; From CW: 2; For CW: 8; salvage 2.0; Notes X-Ship §. STRONG - 30 May 2009

LDR MPX: Add to SIT. Ref 205; factors 7/4; product CW; CR4; available Y183; From MP: 4; For MP: 7; salvage 1.75; Notes X-Ship §. STRONG - 30 May 2009

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Monday, December 28, 2009 - 08:41 am: Edit

LDR FFT add U to Factors Thomas Mathews 28 Dec 09 LDR FFT is the same base ship as the Lyran FFT

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Sunday, March 28, 2010 - 09:25 pm: Edit

LDR BCV: The SIT states the factors are 11-10(6) for the non-crippled side. Should this be 12-11(6) to match the BCH 12-11 and BCS 12-11(3)P combat factors as all 3 are based on the BCH hull?
STRONG: Yes. Factors should be 12-11(6)/5P.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Sunday, March 28, 2010 - 09:47 pm: Edit

LDR PV 2-3(3)/1-2(1.5) Thomas Mathews 28 Mar 2010
All other crippled carriers lose half of their fighter strength when crippled.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Monday, September 20, 2010 - 10:12 am: Edit

LDR PV 2-4(3)/None Thomas Mathews 20 Sep 2010 The Lyran PV is 2-3(3)/None. This is the same hull with LDR modifications. Previous PV post By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Sunday, March 28, 2010 - 09:47 pm: was incoorect

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Monday, December 27, 2010 - 07:59 am: Edit

LDR CWM 7+ Thomas Mathews 27 Dec 2010. Uncrippled factors have wrong mauler symbol

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Monday, December 27, 2010 - 08:13 am: Edit

LDR FFT 2-4U/1-2 Thomas Mathews 27 Dec 2010 Uncrippled side incorporates U factor from previous post. Crippled side should match Lyran FFT factors as LDR hulls are Lyran base hulls.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 09:36 pm: Edit

The SIT entry for the DNL is incorrect after comparing the Lyran BCH, and LDR BCH. and taking the Lyran DNL and applying the factory unathorized modifications to the Lyran DNL.

LDR DNL 12-11/6 Thomas Mathews 4 Jan 2011 Defense Factor incorrect. The DNL cannot absorb enough punishment to justify a 12-12 rating.
STRONG: CONCURS

LDR DNLP Future 12-11FP/6P CW? 9 Y178 DNL (2) From CA/CC 8+PFs (2 Step Conversion), From DNL 3+PFs NA 4 Fast Dreadnaught (525.1), conjectural, True PF Tender Thomas Mathews 4 Jan 2011
STRONG: CONCURS

By Stewart W Frazier (Frazikar2) on Friday, January 06, 2012 - 11:33 pm: Edit

LDR FP Conv From POL: 3 double conversion / From MP: 4 (Min) SWFrazier 120106 [POL/FP follows Lyr DD/NCA model]

LDR MPV Conv from POL: 2+6 SWFrazier 120106

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 - 09:36 pm: Edit

LDR: Gunboat Flotillas: CPF: Cost (524.112) 3 The cost listed under (524.112) specifically states that a causual PF group costs 3 EPs. Thomas Mathews 12 Dec 2012
STRONG: CONCURS

LDR: Gunboat Flotillas: CPX: Cost (524.112) 3 The cost listed under (524.112) specifically states that a causual PF group costs 3 EPs. Thomas Mathews 12 Dec 2012
STRONG: CONCURS

By Eric Smith (Badsyntax) on Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - 01:00 pm: Edit

LDR APT: SFB Ref # should be R1.8 - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR ASC: Recommend removing note (526.46) from notes column, it is already in the substitution column - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR ASC: SFB Ref # should be R1.31 - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR BATS: SFB Ref # should be R1.2. Add "From OPB: 11+6+PFs" to conversion costs. Change build cost column to "Upgrade Only". Change notes column to "Battlestation. See EW Chart. See (433.41), (441.0), and (510.3). Module Limits: 2FTM or 1FTM + 1PFM." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR BS: Change build cost column to "Upgrade Only". Change notes to "Base Station. See (444.0). Alternative upgrade at undevastated planet without tug (444.22). Module Limits: 2FTM or 1FTM + 1PFM. See EW Chart" - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR BSX: SFB Ref # should be R1.202B. Change build cost column to "Upgrade Only". Change notes to "X-Base Station. See (444.0). See EW Chart. 50% of conversion cost is paid in XTPs. Module Limits: 2FTM or 1FTM + 1PFM." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR BTX: SFB Ref # should be R1.202. On counter front and rear, remove P from within the () used for fighters. Change conversion cost to "From BATS: 18, From MB: 27+6, From BS: 22, From BSX: 6+6XTP" to match other races. Change build cost column to "Upgrade Only". Change notes to "X-Battlestation; see EW Chart. 50% of conversion cost is paid in XTPs., Module Limits: 2FTM + 1PFM." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR Colony: Change build cost to "(446.13): 1+1+1" to match all other races. - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR CONVOY: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.5". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR FHL: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.62". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR FRD: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.10" - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR FRD+: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.10". Change conversion cost to "From FRD: 2+6" to match all other races. Change notes to "See (441.433) With fighter modules; (421.0) without." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR FTL: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.19". Change build cost to "(521.23): 6 (1/yr)". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR Ftr-Depot: Change notes to "Fighter Depot. See (443.0)." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR Ftr-Module: Change designation to "FTM (Ftr-Module)" to make more sense. Change SFB Ref # to "R1.4". Change notes to "Fighter module for base or FRD (441.411)." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR FTS: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.19". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR LAP: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.27B". Change conversion cost to "From LAS: 3" to match ISC War. - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR LAS: SFB Ref # is R1.75, all other races R1.77 - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR LAV: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.13B". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR MB: SFB Ref # should be R1.24. Change notes column to "Mobile Base. See (510.2); EW=1, Module Limits: 2FTM or 1FTM+1PFM." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR MC: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.20". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR MON: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.22". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR MPAL (CV): Change SFB Ref # to "R1.22E". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR MPAL (PF): Change SFB Ref # to "R1.22E". Change conversion cost to "None" to match other races and pallets. - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR MPAL (SCS): Change SFB Ref # to "R1.22E". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR OPB: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.45". Change notes to "Operational Base, moves as military convoy. (2 EW:5 AF), (1 EW:10 AF). Module Limits 2FTM or 1FTM + 1PFM ." for consistency. Move to "Mobile Support Units" section. - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR PDU: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.14". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR PF Module: Change designation to "PFM (PF Module)" for consistency. Change SFB Ref # to "R1.16". Change build cost to "(441.412): 2+PFs" for consistency. Change notes to "PF module for base or FRD." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR PGB: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.14". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR PTR: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.67". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR PWR, module: Change designation to "PAM (Power Augmentation Module)" for consistency. Change SFB Ref # to "R1.17". Change notes to "Power augmentation module for base, (441.5). Treated as a PFM." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR REPR: Change classification to "Large Auxiliaries (Large Freighter Hull)" to match all other races. Change SFB Ref # to "R1.25". Change notes to "Repair ship; See (422.0)". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR SAF: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.33". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR SAP: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.27A". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR SAV: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.13A". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR SB: SFB Ref # should be R1.1. Change build cost to "Upgrade Only". Change notes to "Starbase. See EW Chart. See (433.41), (441.0), and (510.3). Module Limits 4FTM+2PFM." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR SBX: SFB Ref # should be R1.201. Change conversion cost to "From SB: 24, From STX: 18+6, From BTX: 45+6, From STB: 44+6". Change build cost to "Upgrade Only". Change notes to "X-Starbase. See EW Chart. See (433.41), (441.0), and (510.3). 50% of conversion cost must be paid in XPs. Module Limits 4FTM+2PFM." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR STB: Change conversion cost to "From BATS: 12, From BS: 15". Change notes to "Sector Base. See EW Chart. Module, Limits: 2FTM + 1PFM.". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

LDR STX: Change conversion cost to "From STB: 10+10X, From BTX: 9+9X, From BSX: 12+12X, From BTS: 21+21X". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 10:44 am: Edit

LDR: BattleCruisers: BCH: YIS should be Y180. Lyran BCH is not available to Y180. Thomas Mathews 17 Jan 2013

LDR: BattleCruisers: BCP: YIS should be Y180. Lyran BCP is not available to Y180. Thomas Mathews 17 Jan 2013

LDR: New Heavy Cruisers: NCA: YIS: Y177 should be Y176 according to (R14.27). Thomas Mathews 17 Jan 2013

LDR: New Heavy Cruisers; NCC: YIS: Y177. This is probably correct but conflicts with (R14.40) which states the NCA was upgraded to the NCC in Y175. Thomas Mathews 17 Jan 2013

LDR: War Cruisers: CWS: YIS: should be Y172. Lyran CWS is not available until Y172. Thomas Mathews 17 Jan 2013

LDR: War Destroyers: DWG: YIS: should be Y171, Lyran DWG is not available until Y171. Thomas Mathews 17 Jan 2013

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 05:42 pm: Edit

LDR: CWS: YIS is correct as is at Y168: Per SFB R14.7 the LDR produced the first CWS, by conversion from their scout before the Lyrans had produced a CWS. (The Lyrans actually bought the design of the CWS from the LDR!) Per the SFB MSC, the YIS for the LDR CWS is 168. Jason E. Schaff 01/17/2013
STRONG: Concurs.

By Steven E. Ehrbar (See) on Saturday, February 08, 2014 - 04:21 pm: Edit

LDR HEAVY WAR DESTROYER AND VARIANTS (WITH MODULES): These all have an SFB ref # of "Future", but should be 33.

By Steven E. Ehrbar (See) on Saturday, February 08, 2014 - 04:51 pm: Edit

LDR: Heavy Auxiliaries: HAV: SFB Ref # should be R1.55 - Steven E. Ehrbar 08 FEB 2014

LDR: Heavy Auxiliaries: HTS: Designation probably should be changed to FTH to match the ISC SIT and SFB designation, unless counters have been printed. - Steven E. Ehrbar 08 FEB 2014

LDR: Heavy Auxiliaries: HTS: SFB Ref # should be R1.74. - Steven E. Ehrbar 08 FEB 2014

LDR: Heavy Auxiliaries: HAP: SFB Ref # should be R1.56 - Steven E. Ehrbar 08 FEB 2014

LDR: Heavy Auxiliaries: HSC: SFB Ref # should be R1.57 - Steven E. Ehrbar 08 FEB 2014


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