These are rulings by SVC, posted here for him to add the the Kzinti SIT:

(705.1) The Kzintis actually build DWs and DWEs one year earlier, so use the Y175 data for Y174.
(705.2) The two allowed early DW prototypes can be built in Y172 and Y173 (not Y173 and Y174). The Kzintis historically completed these ships as DWEs but could build them as DWs if they prefer.

SVC NOTES THAT, ALAS, THESE ARE NOT IN SIT REPORT FORMAT AND CANNOT BE PROCESSED.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Friday, July 18, 2008 - 04:38 pm: Edit

[SVC NOTE: THIS IS AN EARLIER REPORT. I ASSUME THAT I AM TO IGNORE IT AND USE THE DATA CHUCK SENT THAT WAS IN CL38.]


Fed BATS to STB is 12+0 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Fed STB to SB is 18+6 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Klingon BATS to STB is 12+0 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Klingon STB to SB is 18+6 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Rom BATS to STB is 12+0 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Rom STB to SB is 18+6 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Kzinti BATS to STB is 12+0 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Kzinti STB to SB is 18+6 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Gorn BATS to STB is 12+0 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Gorn STB to SB is 18+6 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Tholian BATS to STB is 12+0 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Tholian STB to SB is 18+6 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Hydran BATS to STB is 12+0 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Hydran STB to SB is 18+6 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Lyran BATS to STB is 12+0 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Lyran STB to SB is 18+6 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
ISC BATS to STB is 12+0 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
ISC STB to SB is 18+6 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
General BATS to STB is 12+0 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
General STB to SB is 18+6 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08

Fed BTX to STX is 18 (9xp+9ep) Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Fed STX to SBX is 27+6 (13.5xp+13.5ep) +6ep
Klingon BTX to STX is 18 (9xp+9ep) Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Klingon STX to SBX is 27+6 (13.5xp+13.5ep) +6ep
Rom BTX to STX is 18 (9xp+9ep) Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Rom STX to SBX is 27+6 (13.5xp+13.5ep) +6ep
Kzinti BTX to STX is 18 (9xp+9ep) Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Kzinti STX to SBX is 27+6 (13.5xp+13.5ep) +6ep
Gorn BTX to STX is 18 (9xp+9ep) Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Gorn STX to SBX is 27+6 (13.5xp+13.5ep) +6ep
Tholian BTX to STX is 18 (9xp+9ep) Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Tholian STX to SBX is 27+6 (13.5xp+13.5ep) +6ep
Hydran BTX to STX is 18 (9xp+9ep) Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Hydran STX to SBX is 27+6 (13.5xp+13.5ep) +6ep
Lyran BTX to STX is 18 (9xp+9ep) Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Lyran STX to SBX is 27+6 (13.5xp+13.5ep) +6ep
ISC BTX to STX is 18 (9xp+9ep) Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
ISC STX to SBX is 27+6 (13.5xp+13.5ep) +6ep
General BTX to STX is 18 (9xp+9ep) Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
General STX to SBX is 27+6 (13.5xp+13.5ep) +6ep

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, July 18, 2008 - 05:17 pm: Edit

SVC POSTED THIS LAST JULY, HOPING FOR FURTHER INPUT ON THE SUBJECT. HAS FURTHER INPUT OR A NEW LINE ITEM BEEN POSTED? IF SO, WOULD SOMEBODY DELETE THIS POST. IF NOT, WOULD SOMEBODY SEND THE INPUT REQUIRED TO MOVE ON THIS MATTER AS I CANNOT PROCESS THIS NON-DATA.

Lawrence Bergen writes: GORN: DDC/DBC from SO: These ships were introduced in CL27 and brought online in SO. The description as to what these ships are is vague and needs a bit more detail. Why were the Gorn in needs of heavier ship when their fleet is top heavy already? The SIT shows a one per turn substitution for these things. They can be converted as well. Where does the extra bubble come from? The ISC versions of this ship (not yet introduced) uses the old lets weld (ala the Holdfast) two ships together to make a bigger ship. At least with these the conversion shows the combination of two ships. Can all this be explained on the SITs? I doubt it but these Gorn units were not fleshed out in the released product leaving questions about them and with ISC product looming I thought I'd add them to the need to be discussed list.

SVC replies: I have no clue what question you are asking.

Why the gorns need a ship is not a question for this topic (and the answer is in the SFB manual where the ship is published).

The extra bubble is what that high EP cost is paying for.

If there is a question, ask it more clearly, but I see nothing here I can address in the SIT, and nothing I can really address anywhere else.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, July 18, 2008 - 05:24 pm: Edit

SVC POSTED THIS FIVE MONTHS AGO, ASKING FOR FURTHER INPUT. I'M NOT SURE IF THERE HAS BEEN ANY OR NOT. NEXT REVIEW CYCLE I WILL DELETE THIS POST WHETHER THERE HAS BEEN MORE INPUT OR NOT.

Adam Hickey wrote: Different topic. I'm wondering if there should be a limit on war dreadnought production. The Gorns are limited to 1 DNC conversion per turn. Should there be a similar limit for other races? As the SIT and rules stand now, the Feds could sub one DNW a turn for the NCA, which seems excessive. I think that races should be limited to one conversion per turn, and one subsitituion per year.

SVC: If Chuck and his staff want this (assuming it's not there, I haven't checked) then post the appropriate line items.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 04:31 pm: Edit

SVC POSTED THIS FIVE MONTHS AGO, ASKING FOR FURTHER INPUT. I'M NOT SURE IF THERE HAS BEEN ANY INPUT. I WILL KICK THIS TO THE BOTTOM OF THE POST LIST AND WHEN I FIND IT NEXT CYCLE I WILL ASSUME THAT THERE *HAS* BEEN FURTHER INPUT AND DELETE IT.

Kzinti FRD+1: 0 Cost is listed as 10+6, but rules (441.433) and (441.41) indicate that the fighter modules should be paid for; correct cost should therefore be 12+6. Dave Butler. [SVC requires senior staff confirmation.]
Kzinti FRD+1: Yeah, they'd have pay for the modules as any other base would, so it should be 12+6 for an FRD w/ 2xFTR modules S.Tenhoff 5-10-08
Kzinti FRD+1: Confirm cost as 12+6. SWFrazier 080407
Kzinti FRD+1: Cost should be 12+6, as Dave Butler states. Fed, Gorn, Hydran SITS are also incorrect. Laikind 12-Apr-08
Kzinti FRD+1: Disagree, the MB>BATS(0) conversion is 9, the MB>BATS(6) conversion is 9+6. There is no extra cost for the actual fighter module. A FRDs fighters are considered base fighters per (441.433) and as such should receive the same discount during construction as other bases. If a module was added later, yes, it would cost 1+6 for the module and fighters. MCurtis 16 April 2008
Kzinti FRD+1: SVC is unable to reach a decision based on the lack of a staff consensus and defers the matter to the next round.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 04:44 pm: Edit

SVC POSTED THIS FIVE MONTHS AGO AND IS NOT SURE IF ANYBODY RESPONDED. I WILL SEND IT TO THE BOTTOM OF THE STACK. ON THE NEXT REVIEW CYCLE, I WILL ASSUME THERE HAVE BEEN RESPONSES AND WILL DELETE IT.

Kzinti NRV: From NSR: 0+4 looks correct. Note that the Fed NSRV doesn’t have this conversion, either. Laikind 12-Apr-08 [SVC added NSR->NRV 0+4.]

Does somebody want to do the missing Fed line item noted above?

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 04:47 pm: Edit

SVC POSTED THIS FIVE MONTHS AGO AND IS NOT SURE IF ANYBODY RESPONDED. I WILL SEND IT TO THE BOTTOM OF THE STACK. ON THE NEXT REVIEW CYCLE, I WILL ASSUME THERE HAVE BEEN RESPONSES AND WILL DELETE IT.

Kzinti NSR: 0 this and NRV both list a YIS of Y188. Is this correct? Its 5 years Beyond any Gorn or Romulan unit YIS and seems like it could be a typo of 180 or 183. Michael Parker
Kzinti NSR: Fed= Y180, Klingon = Y188, Gorn = Y175, Hydran = Y176, Lyran = Y175. Kzinti Y188 seems a bit late. Laikind 12-Apr-08
Kzinti NSR: Note that all NCA variants are noted as being available in Y175 (except PF based variants), the SIT date may be when the Kzinti seriously considered the design. Could change date to Y180. SWFrazier 080407
Kzinti NSR: The YIS for both ships is Y188 in G2 also, recommend no change. MCurtis 16 April 2008
Kzinti NSR: Per G2 the Z-NSR YIS date is Y188. S.Tenhoff 5-10-08

[SVC agrees that Y188 is correct as per SFB data. However, does this need to change to a "could have been done if they had the money" date that is earlier? Subject deferred to next round.]

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 04:59 pm: Edit

SVC POSTED THIS FIVE MONTHS AGO AND IS NOT SURE IF ANYBODY RESPONDED. I WILL SEND IT TO THE BOTTOM OF THE STACK. ON THE NEXT REVIEW CYCLE, I WILL ASSUME THERE HAVE BEEN RESPONSES AND WILL DELETE IT.

Kzinti VHP Pod: 0 same as CVH above; (530.225) indicates pod should be available (Y178) Ken S. Towery 11 March 06 [SVC notes that the staff could not agree and deferred this to the next round.]
Kzinti VHP Pod: Kzinti Hvy Fighter YIS date is SY178, per (530.223). S.Tenhoff 5-10-08
Kzinti VHP Pod: Some heavy carriers become available before the general heavy fighters availability date. This is one of them. MCurtis 16 April 2008
Kzinti VHP Pod: Y178 looks correct for the VHP, Laikind 12-Apr-08
Kzinti VHP Pod:Confirm, VHP date of Y178 (Turn #20). SWFrazier 080407

By Scott Tenhoff (Scottt) on Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 11:09 pm: Edit

UNABLE TO PROCESS THIS REPORT AS IT IS NOT IN LINE ITEM FORMAT. PLEASE DO IT IN LINE ITEM FORMAT AND RESUBMIT.

re: NSR YIS date. Per Module R10, page 15, (R5.0) Kzinti's 2nd paragraph, "Note that regardless of the historical dates of these designs, any of them (excepting those with PFs) could have been built as early as Y175.

It is the same in (R3.0) for the Klingons, (R2.0) for the Feds, (R6.0) for the Gorns, (R9.0) Hydrans, except they are Y176, and (R11.0) Lyrans.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 02:00 pm: Edit

SVC ASKS FOR CONFIRMATION IF THIS REPORT IS PART OF THE BASE STANDARDIZATION PROJECT OR WAS MADE OBSOLETE BY IT.

Shoot I knew that.

Fed STB: BATS to STB is 12+0 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Fed SB: STB to SB is 18+6 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Klingon STB: BATS to STB is 12+0 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Klingon SB: STB to SB is 18+6 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Rom STB: BATS to STB is 12+0 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Rom SB: STB to SB is 18+6 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Kzinti STB: BATS to STB is 12+0 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Kzinti SB: STB to SB is 18+6 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Gorn STB: BATS to STB is 12+0 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Gorn SB: STB to SB is 18+6 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Tholian STB: BATS to STB is 12+0 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Tholian SB: STB to SB is 18+6 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Hydran STB: BATS to STB is 12+0 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Hydran SB: STB to SB is 18+6 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Lyran STB: BATS to STB is 12+0 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Lyran SB: STB to SB is 18+6 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
ISC STB: BATS to STB is 12+0 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
ISC SB: STB to SB is 18+6 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
General STB: BATS to STB is 12+0 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
General SB: STB to SB is 18+6 Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08

Fed STX: BTX to STX is 18 (9xp+9ep) Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Fed SBX: STX to SBX is 27+6 (13.5xp+13.5ep) +6ep Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Klingon STX: BTX to STX is 18 (9xp+9ep) Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Klingon SBX: STX to SBX is 27+6 (13.5xp+13.5ep) +6ep Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Rom STX: BTX to STX is 18 (9xp+9ep) Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Rom SBX: STX to SBX is 27+6 (13.5xp+13.5ep) +6ep Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Kzinti STX: BTX to STX is 18 (9xp+9ep) Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Kzinti SBX: STX to SBX is 27+6 (13.5xp+13.5ep) +6ep Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Gorn STX: BTX to STX is 18 (9xp+9ep) Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Gorn SBX: STX to SBX is 27+6 (13.5xp+13.5ep) +6ep Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Tholian STX: BTX to STX is 18 (9xp+9ep) Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Tholian SBX: STX to SBX is 27+6 (13.5xp+13.5ep) +6ep Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Hydran STX: BTX to STX is 18 (9xp+9ep) Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Hydran SBX: STX to SBX is 27+6 (13.5xp+13.5ep) +6ep Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Lyran STX: BTX to STX is 18 (9xp+9ep) Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
Lyran SBX: STX to SBX is 27+6 (13.5xp+13.5ep) +6ep Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
ISC STX: BTX to STX is 18 (9xp+9ep) Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
ISC SBX: STX to SBX is 27+6 (13.5xp+13.5ep) +6ep Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
General STX: BTX to STX is 18 (9xp+9ep) Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08
General SBX: STX to SBX is 27+6 (13.5xp+13.5ep) +6ep Ryan J. Opel 18 Jul 08

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 03:02 pm: Edit

Rom FHP/FHF: Is there any way to convert a FHF to an FHP or vise versa? A player might want to change between the better defensive value or the better shock roll protection. L Bergen 14 Aug 08

I had this discussion at origins with someone but I cannot remember if it were ever officially asked/answered.

NOT IN LINE ITEM FORMAT, SO, ALAS AND ALAKADAY, THIS QUESTION WILL NEVER BE ANSWERED. OH, THE HUMANITY!

By Scott Tenhoff (Scottt) on Friday, August 22, 2008 - 11:11 pm: Edit

THIS REPORT IS NOT IN THE PROPER FORMAT AND CANNOT BE PROCESSED.

Uh, Stewart, the conversion of a DN->SCS has always been 5EPs, and I don't think that has changed. So why are you charging a CV conversion+a SCS conversion?

If anything the conversion from CV should only cost +3EPs (not +5EPs) since the fighters are already installed, it would be the same conversion of adding PFs like a DN->DNP.

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Saturday, August 23, 2008 - 10:44 am: Edit

THIS IS NOT IN THE PROPER FORMAT AND CANNOT BE PROCESSED. WHATEVER POINTS IT MADE WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED. PLEASE RESUBMIT IN THE PROPER FORMAT.

Scott:

CVA to SCS conversions are also usually 5EP, the same as DN to SCS. Already being a carrier does not seem to reduce that cost. Note the the Hydran PAL to LP conversion costs 5EP (plus 6 for "true" fighters), even though no fighter factors are added.

Cheers,
Jason

By Stewart W Frazier (Frazikar1) on Saturday, August 23, 2008 - 09:23 pm: Edit

THIS IS NOT IN THE PROPER FORMAT AND CANNOT BE PROCESSED. WHATEVER POINTS IT MADE WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED. PLEASE RESUBMIT IN THE PROPER FORMAT.

Scott, you have a point, and I didn't consider that aspect...but I think that there should be a difference in cost between converting the CA and the CV into the SCS. Still it will be SVC's call...

By Michael Lui (Michaellui) on Saturday, August 23, 2008 - 09:46 pm: Edit

THIS IS NOT IN THE PROPER FORMAT AND CANNOT BE PROCESSED. WHATEVER POINTS IT MADE WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED. PLEASE RESUBMIT IN THE PROPER FORMAT.

Technically the Paladin should cost 3 EPs to convert to a "SCS". It is really a DNP like the Lyran DNP that costs 3 to convert from a DN. However I don't foresee either of the Steve's changing the cost or the designation. It would be interesting to see the Hydrans with a "Lord Duke" SCS 10-12P(12)/5-6P(6).

As for the rest of the CVAs, it costs a few more EPs to rip out all those extra fighter bays to put the original equipment back in.

By Fabio Poli (Gambler) on Thursday, January 01, 2009 - 04:29 am: Edit

Hydran DNW: Notes: one build/conversion max at year and it counts against PAL production. Fabio Poli 01/01/09

By Michael Lui (Michaellui) on Thursday, January 01, 2009 - 05:29 pm: Edit

Hydran LP: Notes: SCS, True CV should be: True PFT Variant of DN. This ship is a DNP like the Lyran DNP as it already has fighters. Michael Lui 01/01/09

Hydran LP: From Pal 5+6 should be 3+0. The Lyran DNP costs only 3 to add PF carrying ability and not add or remove fighter bays. If you do not want to make the LP a DNP then it should at least be 3+6 to reflect the fact that fighter bays are still not being added or removed. Michael Lui 01/01/09

By Eric Smith (Badsyntax) on Thursday, January 01, 2009 - 07:37 pm: Edit

I'm sure ya'll will most likely hate me, but after finding the SITs quite difficult to read and compare I ported them all to excel. This allowed me to sort by things like the name on the counter, and a vast amount of inconsistencies immediately popped up. Most of these can easily be ignored, as they are silly things like having "R1." in the SFB# or having "-NA-" instead of "None" like all the other races, actually, except for pretty much all of the bases being screwed up for all races, most are VERY minor. Anyway I'll list them below.

A question, that hopefully won't be ignored since its not in the proper format I would be more than happy to take all of these SITs and make them very consistent with each other, save them in a very easy to read/sort/find excel format, and even allow them to easily be saved as HTML. I would be *more* than happy to do this for no charge and no recognition if ya'll would just say "yeah, it'll save us some time so we can work on less mundane tasks" Let me know!

Here are the inconsistencies, one per line, in the proper format (and pretty hard to read!)

Federation LTF: No ship breakdown for group - Eric S. Smith
Klingon 2EV: No ship breakdown for group - Eric S. Smith
Romulan 2SEB: No ship breakdown for group - Eric S. Smith
Klingon ADM: Factor shows as "ADM*/None", other ADM's are "ADM*/-" - Eric S. Smith
Gorn APT: SFB Ref# is "R1.8", all other APTs just "8" - Eric S. Smith
Tholian APT: Under notes it says "Use Generics", but to be more clear it should say something like "No counter, use generic counters" - Eric S. Smith
Orion APT: Under notes it says "Use Generics", but to be more clear it should say something like "No counter, use generic counters" - Eric S. Smith
Gorn ASC: SFB Ref# is "R1.31" but all other ASC's its just "31" - Eric S. Smith
Kzinti Commercial Convoy: Base Hull is "—NA—" instead of "Group" like other Commercial Convoys - Eric S. Smith
Klingon Diplomat: All other races call these just DIP - Eric S. Smith
Orion Planetary Installations: All other races call these "PLANETARY UNITS" - Eric S. Smith
Gorn C-BASE: Build Cost or Substitution listed as "NA" instead of "—NA—" - Eric S. Smith
Klingon C-BASE: Build Cost or Substitution listed as "NA" instead of "—NA—" - Eric S. Smith
Gorn CPF: Conversion cost listed as "—NA—" instead of "None" like other CPF's. - Eric S. Smith
Gorn CPX: Conversion cost listed as "—NA—" instead of "None" like other CPX's. - Eric S. Smith
Federation DIP: Conversion cost listed as "NA" instead of "—NA—" like other DIP's. - Eric S. Smith
Hydran ADM: Factor shows conversion cost as "None", other ADM's show "—NA—" - Eric S. Smith
Gorn BATS: SFB Ref # is "R1.2" but most other BATS are just "2" - Eric S. Smith
Orion BATS: SFB Ref # is "R1.2" but most other BATS are just "2" - Eric S. Smith
Klingon BATS: No conversion cost from BS, all other BATS also list "From BS: 4 (444.31)" in their conversion cost - Eric S. Smith
Gorn BATS: Conversion cost states "From MB: 7+Ftrs From BS: 3+Ftrs (444.31)" and should state "From MB: 9+6 From BS: 4 (444.31)" like all other BATS - Eric S. Smith
Gorn BATS: Build Cost or Substitution states "Upgrade Only", but all other BATS show "—NA—" - Eric S. Smith
Gorn BATS: Note say "Battlestation. See EW Chart. See (433.41), (441.0), and (510.3). Module Limits: 2 FTM or one FTM +1 PFM.", yet all other BATS just state "See (433.41), (441.0), and (510.3)" - Eric S. Smith
Federation BB: States "never built" instead of just "conjectural" like other battleships - Eric S. Smith
Lyran BB: Doesn't specify that it is conjectural. - Eric S. Smith
Lyran BB: No ruel reference under date available like other BBs (should be (436.0) beside date) - Eric S. Smith
Gorn BB: Command rating is 9, should be 10 like other BBs. - Eric S. Smith
Gorn BS: SFB Ref# is "R1.03", but all other BS are "R1.3" - Eric S. Smith
Gorn BS: Conversion cost is "From MB: 4+Ftrs From MB (Alt): 6+Ftrs" but all other BS its "From MB: 5+6" - Eric S. Smith
Gorn BS: Build Cost or Substitution states "Upgrade Only", but all other BATS show "—NA—" - Eric S. Smith
Gorn BS: Note say "Base Station. See (444.0). Alternative upgrade at undevastated planet without tug (444.22). Module Limits: 2 FTM or one FTM +1 PFM." yet all other BS just state "See (444.0)." - Eric S. Smith
Gorn BSX: SFB Ref # is "R1.202B", but should be "202B" to be consistent. - Eric S. Smith
Hydran BSX: SFB Ref # is "R1.202B", but should be "202B" to be consistent. - Eric S. Smith
Tholian BSX: SFB Ref # is "R1.202B", but should be "202B" to be consistent. - Eric S. Smith
Klingon BSX: SFB Ref # is "R1.202B", but should be "202B" to be consistent. - Eric S. Smith
Kzinti BSX: Conversion cost is "From MB: 18+6" but should be "From MB: 8+6" like other BSX's - Eric S. Smith
Gorn BSX: Conversion cost is "From BS: 9+Ftrs From MB: 13+Ftrs" instead of "From BS: 12 From MB: 8+6" like other BSX's. - Eric S. Smith
Gorn BSX: Build Cost or Substitution states "Upgrade Only", but all other BATS show "—NA—" - Eric S. Smith
Gorn BSX: Notes say "X-Base Station. See (444.0). See EW Chart. 50% of conversion cost is paid with XTPs. Module Limits: 2 FTM or one FTM +1 PFM." but all other BSX just state "See (444.0)." - Eric S. Smith
Gorn BTX: SFB Ref# is "R1.202" and should be "202" for consistency - Eric S. Smith
Romulan BTX: SFB Ref# is "R1.202" and should be "202" for consistency - Eric S. Smith
Lyran BTX: SFB Ref# is "R1.202" and should be "202" for consistency - Eric S. Smith
Kzinti BTX: SFB Ref# is "R1.202" and should be "202" for consistency - Eric S. Smith
Federation BTX: SFB Ref# is "R1.202" and should be "202" for consistency - Eric S. Smith
Gorn BTX: Build Cost or Substitution states "Upgrade Only", but all other BATS show "—NA—" - Eric S. Smith
Gorn BTX: Notes state "X-Battle Station. See (444.0). See EW Chart. 50% of conversion cost is paid with XTPs. Module Limits: 2 FTM or one FTM +1 PFM." while all other BTX just state "X-unit; see EW Chart." - Eric S. Smith
Lyran BTX: Conversion cost states "From BSX:" with no value - Eric S. Smith
Klingon BTX: Conversion cost from BATS is 18, BS is 22, and MB is 17+6, but this is only the same among the Klingon/Tholian/Lyran BTX, all other BTX's are different - Eric S. Smith
Tholian BTX: Conversion cost from BATS is 18, BS is 22, and MB is 17+6, but this is only the same among the Klingon/Tholian/Lyran BTX, all other BTX's are different - Eric S. Smith
Lyran BTX: Conversion cost from BATS is 18, BS is 22, and MB is 17+6, but this is only the same among the Klingon/Tholian/Lyran BTX, all other BTX's are different - Eric S. Smith
Romulan BTX: Conversion cost from BS is 22, BATS 18, amd MB 27+6, but this is only the same among Romulan/Kzinti/Federation BTX's all others are different) - Eric S. Smith
Gorn BTX: Conversion cost is from BS 12+Ftrs, from BTS 9+Ftrs, and from BSX 3+Ftrs, but this is unique among all the BTX costs for all other races - Eric S. Smith
Hydran BTX: Conversion cost is from BS 22+6, MB 27+18, and BTAS 18+6, but this is unique among all the BTX costs for all other races - Eric S. Smith
Gorn FRD: SFB Ref# is "R1.10" when it should be just "10" like othe rraces FRD's. - Eric S. Smith
Gorn FRD+: SFB Ref# is "R1.10" when it should be just "10" like othe rraces FRD's. - Eric S. Smith
Klingon FRD+: Product is listed as "F&E" instead of "AO" like all other FRD+'s. - Eric S. Smith
Kzinti FRD+: Product is listed as "CO" instead of "AO" like all other FRD+'s. - Eric S. Smith
Romulan FRD+: Conversion cost is "From FRD: 1+6" but all others except Lyran specify "From FRD: 2+6" - Eric S. Smith
Lyran FRD+: Conversion cost is "From FRD: 1+6" but all others except Romulan specify "From FRD: 2+6" - Eric S. Smith
Gorn FTL: SFB Ref # is "R1.19" while other FTL's are just "19" - Eric S. Smith
Gorn Ftr-Depot: Conversion cost is "—NA—" instead of "None" like other Ftr-Depots - Eric S. Smith
Gorn Ftr-Depot: Notes specify "Fighter Depot. See (443.0)." instead of just "See (443.0)." like all the other Ftr-Depots. - Eric S. Smith
Gorn FTM (Fighter-Module): All other races just list this as "Ftr-Module" - Eric S. Smith
Orion FTM: SFB Ref # is "R1.4" when all other FTM's its just "4" - Eric S. Smith
Gorn FTM (Fighter-Module): Conversion cost is "—NA—" instead of "None" like other Ftr-Depots - Eric S. Smith
Gorn FTM (Fighter-Module): Notes specify "Fighter module for base or FRD (441.411)." when all other FTM's just state "Fighter module for base or FRD" - Eric S. Smith
Gorn LAP: SFB Ref # has "R1.27 B" instead of just "27B" like most other LAP's - Eric S. Smith
Hydran LAP: SFB Ref # has "R1.27 B" instead of just "27B" like most other LAP's - Eric S. Smith
Kzinti LAP: Notes states "Large Auxiliary PFT (526.4)" instead of "Large Auxiliary PFT (526.4); scout (2EW)." like all the other LAP's. - Eric S. Smith
Gorn LAV: SFB Ref # has "R1.13 B" instead of just "13B" like most other LAV's - Eric S. Smith
Hydran LAV: SFB Ref # has "R1.13 B" instead of just "13B" like most other LAV's - Eric S. Smith
Gorn MB: Notes has "See (510.2); EW=1. Module Limits: 2 FTM or one FTM +1 PFM." when all other MB have just "See (510.2); EW=1" - Eric S. Smith
Gorn MON: SFB Ref # has "R1.22" when most others just have "22" - Eric S. Smith
Federation MON: SFB Ref # has "R1.22" when most others just have "22" - Eric S. Smith
Federation MPAL(V): All the other races list this pallet as "MPAL (CV)" - Eric S. Smith
Federation MPAL(V): SFB Ref # is "R1.22 E" when most other races have it as just "22E" - Eric S. Smith
Gorn MPAL(CV): SFB Ref # is "R1.22 E" when most other races have it as just "22E" - Eric S. Smith
Kzinti MPAL(CV): SFB Ref # is "1.22 E" when most other races have it as just "22E" - Eric S. Smith
Federation MPAL(V): Notes say "Pallet for Monitor" while all other races have "Pallet attached to Monitor" - Eric S. Smith
Federation MPAL(F111): SFB Ref # is "R1.22 E" when most other races have it as just "22E" - Eric S. Smith
Federation MPAL(F111): Conversion cost is "None" instead of "—NA—" like all other races MPAL (PF)'s - Eric S. Smith
Gorn MPAL(PFT): All other races call these "MPAL (PF)" - Eric S. Smith
Gorn MPAL(PFT): Conversion cost is "None" instead of "—NA—" like all other races MPAL (PF)'s - Eric S. Smith
Gorn MPAL(PFT): Salvage is 0 when all other races MPAL(PF)'s its 0.75 - Eric S. Smith
Federation MPAL (SCS): SFB Ref # is "R1.22 E" when most other races have it as "22E" - Eric S. Smith
Gorn MPAL (SCS): SFB Ref # is "R1.22 E" when most other races have it as "22E" - Eric S. Smith
Kzinti MPAL (SCS): SFB Ref # is "1.22 E" when most other races have it as "22E" - Eric S. Smith
Federation MPAL(SCS): Notes say "Pallet for Monitor" while all other races have "Pallet attached to Monitor" - Eric S. Smith
Federation MPAL(SCS): Salvage is 1.25, all other pallets its just 1.00 - Eric S. Smith
Gorn OPB: Notes have additional text "Module Limits two FTM or one FTM+1 PFM ." but no other races have this. - Eric S. Smith
Lyran OPB: This is under the Lyran "BASES" category, but under all other races its under the "MOBILE SUPPORT UNITS" category - Eric S. Smith
Gorn PDU: SFB Ref # is "R1.14" when all other races its just "14" - Eric S. Smith
Gorn PFM (Gunboat Module): All other races call this a "PF Module" - Eric S. Smith
Gorn PFM (Gunboat Module): Conversion Cost is "—NA—" whe it is "None" for all other races - Eric S. Smith
Gorn PFM (Gunboat Module): Notes state "PF module for base (441.412)." when all other races just have "PF module for base or FRD." - Eric S. Smith
Gorn PGB: SFB Ref # is "R1.14" when all other races its just "14" - Eric S. Smith
Klingon POL: Base hull is "—NA—" but it should be "POL", "G2", or something as all other POLs have a base hull - Eric S. Smith
Klingon POL: No size class, but it should be 4 - Eric S. Smith
Klingon POL: Conversion cost is "None" but with most POL's its "—NA—" - Eric S. Smith
Lyran POL: Conversion cost is "None" but with most POL's its "—NA—" - Eric S. Smith
Kzinti POL: No Build Cost - Eric S. Smith
Gorn POL: No Build Cost - Eric S. Smith
Hydran POL: No Build Cost - Eric S. Smith
Romulan PRD: Under category "PLANETARY UNITS" when most races place this under "REPAIR DOCS" - Eric S. Smith
Gorn Prime Teams: Listed as a "MOBILE SUPPORT UNIT" when most races have these under "MARKERS AND SPECIAL UNITS" - Eric S. Smith
Hydran Prime Teams: Listed as a "MOBILE SUPPORT UNIT" when most races have these under "MARKERS AND SPECIAL UNITS" - Eric S. Smith
Gorn PV: No Call Up cost like the police ships. - Eric S. Smith
Kzinti PV: No Call Up cost like the police ships. - Eric S. Smith
Tholian PV: No Call Up cost like the police ships. - Eric S. Smith
Lyran PV: No Call Up cost like the police ships. - Eric S. Smith
Federation PV: No Call Up cost like the police ships. - Eric S. Smith
Orion PV (DV): No Call Up cost like the police ships. - Eric S. Smith
Hydran PV (GNV): No Call Up cost like the police ships. - Eric S. Smith
Gorn REP POD: Conversion cost as "NA" instead of "—NA—" like other races - Eric S. Smith
Hydran REPR: Conversion cost as "None" instead of "—NA—" like other races - Eric S. Smith
Lyran REPR: Under "MOBILE SUPPORT UNITS" category instead of "LARGE AUXILIARIES (LARGE FREIGHTER HULL)" like all the other races - Eric S. Smith
Gorn SAF: SFB Ref # is "R1.33" instead of "33" like other races. - Eric S. Smith
Gorn SAP: SFB Ref # is "R1.27 A" instead of "27A" like other races - Eric S. Smith
Hydran SAP: SFB Ref # is "R1.27 A" instead of "27A" like other races - Eric S. Smith
Kzinti SAP: Notes is "Small Auxiliary PFT (526.4)." instead of "Small Auxiliary PFT (526.4); Scout; EW=1." like other races - Eric S. Smith
Gorn SAV: SFB Ref # is "R1.13 A" instead of "13A" like other races - Eric S. Smith
Hydran SAV: SFB Ref # is "R1.13 A" instead of "13A" like other races - Eric S. Smith
Gorn SB: SFB Ref # is "R1.01" instead of "1" like most races - Eric S. Smith
Hydran SB: SFB Ref # is "R1.1" instead of "1" like most races - Eric S. Smith
Romulan SB: SFB Ref # is "R1.1" instead of "1" like most races - Eric S. Smith
Federation SB: SFB Ref # is "R1.1" instead of "1" like most races - Eric S. Smith
Gorn SB: Build cost states "Upgrade Only" while all other races SB has "—NA—" - Eric S. Smith
Hydran SB: Missing conversion cost from STB, should be "From STB: 18+6" - Eric S. Smith
Romulan SB: Missing conversion cost from STB, should be "From STB: 18+6" - Eric S. Smith
Federation SB: Missing conversion cost from STB, should be "From STB: 18+6" - Eric S. Smith
Tholian SB: Missing conversion cost from STB, should be "From STB: 18+6" - Eric S. Smith
Klingon SB: Missing conversion cost from STB, should be "From STB: 18+6", actually has "From STS:" with no value listed however - Eric S. Smith
Gorn SB: Conversion cost from BATS is 28+Ftrs and STB 20+Ftrs, but all other SB costs is 30+6 and 18+6 respectively - Eric S. Smith
Gorn SB: Adds text "Starbase. See EW Chart. Module Limits 4FTM+2PFM" - Eric S. Smith
Gorn SBX: SFB Ref # is "R1.01" instead of "1" like most races - Eric S. Smith
Hydran SBX: SFB Ref # is "R1.1" instead of "1" like most races - Eric S. Smith
Romulan SBX: SFB Ref # is "R1.1" instead of "1" like most races - Eric S. Smith
Federation SBX: SFB Ref # is "R1.1" instead of "1" like most races - Eric S. Smith
Gorn SBX: Build cost states "Upgrade Only" while all other races SB has "—NA—" - Eric S. Smith
Hydran SBX: Conversion cost wrong, I have no idea what these should be as all races have different values - Eric S. Smith
Gorn SBX: Conversion cost wrong, I have no idea what these should be as all races have different values - Eric S. Smith
Tholian SBX: Conversion cost wrong, I have no idea what these should be as all races have different values - Eric S. Smith
Romulan SBX: Conversion cost wrong, I have no idea what these should be as all races have different values - Eric S. Smith
Lyran SBX: Conversion cost wrong, I have no idea what these should be as all races have different values - Eric S. Smith
Kzinti SBX: Conversion cost wrong, I have no idea what these should be as all races have different values - Eric S. Smith
Klingon SBX: Conversion cost wrong, I have no idea what these should be as all races have different values - Eric S. Smith
Federation SBX: Conversion cost wrong, I have no idea what these should be as all races have different values - Eric S. Smith
Gorn SBX: Notes are "X-Starbase. See EW Chart. See (433.41), (441.0), and (510.3). 50% of conversion cost must be paid in XTPs. Module Limits 4FTM+2PFM." when most races just have "X-Unit; see EW Chart." - Eric S. Smith
Federation SBX: Notes are "StarbaseX-Unit; see EW Chart.", notice it was probably meant to say "X-Starbase; See EW Chart" - Eric S. Smith
Hydran Shipyard: Conversion cost is "None" instead of "—NA—" like other races - Eric S. Smith
Kzinti Shipyard: Under the "BASES" category, while most races have it under the "PLANETARY UNITS" category - Eric S. Smith
Klingon Shipyard: Under the "BASES" category, while most races have it under the "PLANETARY UNITS" category - Eric S. Smith
Federation STB: SFB Ref # is "47" while all other races its "R1.47", but all should probably be "47" for consistency - Eric S. Smith
Gorn STB: Conversion cost is cheaper than all other STB's. - Eric S. Smith
Tholian STB: Salvage value is 150 while all other STB's are 0. Woohoo, build em and scrap em boys! - Eric S. Smith
Gorn STB: Has additional text under notes "Module Limits: 2 FTM +1 PFM." - Eric S. Smith
Gorn STX: Conversion cost wrong, I have no idea what these should be as all races have different values - Eric S. Smith
Hydran STX: Conversion cost wrong, I have no idea what these should be as all races have different values - Eric S. Smith
Tholian STX: Conversion cost wrong, I have no idea what these should be as all races have different values - Eric S. Smith
Romulan STX: Conversion cost wrong, I have no idea what these should be as all races have different values - Eric S. Smith
Lyran STX: Conversion cost wrong, I have no idea what these should be as all races have different values - Eric S. Smith
Kzinti STX: Conversion cost wrong, I have no idea what these should be as all races have different values - Eric S. Smith
Klingon STX: Conversion cost wrong, I have no idea what these should be as all races have different values - Eric S. Smith
Federation STX: Conversion cost wrong, I have no idea what these should be as all races have different values - Eric S. Smith
Gorn STX: SFB Ref# is "R1.A11" when it should probably be just "A11" for consistency - Eric S. Smith
Hydran STX: SFB Ref# is "R1.A11" when it should probably be just "A11" for consistency - Eric S. Smith
Tholian STX: SFB Ref# is "R1.A11" when it should probably be just "A11" for consistency - Eric S. Smith
Romulan STX: SFB Ref# is "R1.A11" when it should probably be just "A11" for consistency - Eric S. Smith
Lyran STX: SFB Ref# is "R1.A11" when it should probably be just "A11" for consistency - Eric S. Smith
Kzinti STX: SFB Ref# is "R1.A11" when it should probably be just "A11" for consistency - Eric S. Smith
Klingon STX: SFB Ref# is "R1.A11" when it should probably be just "A11" for consistency - Eric S. Smith
Federation STX: SFB Ref# is "R1.A11" when it should probably be just "A11" for consistency - Eric S. Smith
Gorn STX: Notes are completely different than all other races. - Eric S. Smith
Kzinti FRD+: Notes state "See (441.433) With fighter modules" but all other FRD+'s just state "See (421.0) With fighter modules"

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Thursday, January 01, 2009 - 09:37 pm: Edit

Hydran LP: ML stated - "Notes: SCS, True CV should be: True PFT Variant of DN. This ship is a DNP like the Lyran DNP as it already has fighters." STRONG: ML needs to cite source of his statement. Without a rule number or source how can the staff make a proper assessment? Without source I cannot recommend a change in status. STRONG 1 Jan 2009

By Stewart W Frazier (Frazikar1) on Thursday, January 01, 2009 - 11:04 pm: Edit

One diff between the Lyran DN/DNP and Hydran PAL/LP is that the Lyrans change cargo to repair while the Hydran changes other systems to repair...[both add PFs/reapir/tractors, no fighters]

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Thursday, January 01, 2009 - 11:04 pm: Edit

Hydran LP: ML stated - "Hydran LP: Notes: SCS, True CV should be: True PFT Variant of DN. This ship is a DNP like the Lyran DNP as it already has fighters" - Schaff: Incorrect. The LP _is_ a true carrier under both F&E and SFB rules for purposes of requiring escorts. There is absolutely no supporting documentation to suggest that the LP is a PFT variant of the PAL. Jason E. Schaff 01/01/09

Hydran LP: ML stated - "From Pal 5+6 should be 3+0. The Lyran DNP costs only 3 to add PF carrying ability and not add or remove fighter bays. If you do not want to make the LP a DNP then it should at least be 3+6 to reflect the fact that fighter bays are still not being added or removed." - Schaff: conversion cost of 5+6 is correct. The LP is a true carrier and all Hydran conversions to true carriers charge an upgrade cost on existing hybrid fighter factors. Almost every conversion that adds only PF carrying ability costs 5EP, with the Lyran DNP and BCP being the only notable exceptions. Jason E. Schaff 01/01/09

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 06:07 am: Edit

Hydran LP: Conversion from PAL 5+6 should be 3+6. O.K. I goofed that one: there is a dead match analogy in the Fed CVA to SCS conversion. That conversion adds only "PFs" and no fighters and is a 3EP conversion, so the PAL to LP would be expected to have the same cost. Jason E. Schaff 01/02/09

By Joe Stevenson (Ikv_Sabre) on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 09:26 am: Edit

"finding the SITs quite difficult to read"

In what way?


"save them in a very easy to read/sort/find excel format"

That won't happen. We just got the current format at the request of a majority of players that responded. The alphabetical format SUCKED. The new format is very useful for anyone actually trying to build ships as it lets you see what substitutions and conversions are available for a given hull, and sorted by year.

By Peter Hill (Corwin) on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 11:26 am: Edit

I think the point of having the excel format is that it can be sorted multiple ways according to an individual player's need.

Another advantage would be that players could choose which modules they were & weren't using, then automatically filter out unavailable units and print the remainder in a chart.

By Peter Hill (Corwin) on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 11:35 am: Edit

Btw, I would have assumed that the master SIT was stored in a databse and the PDF tables were automatically extracted from that but the experience of Eric Smith now makes that seem unlikely.

...after finding the SITs quite difficult to read and compare I ported them all to excel. This allowed me to sort by things like the name on the counter, and a vast amount of inconsistencies immediately popped up.