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Barbecue!!!

By John de Michele (Jdemichele) on Thursday, July 14, 2011 - 02:20 pm: Edit

Thomas:

Is there a reason the Klingons don't give the Federation mauler technology (or, alternatively, is this option available)? I can see the Romulans giving the Gorns maulers, but why wouldn't the Klingons give the Federation maulers?

John.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Thursday, July 14, 2011 - 02:29 pm: Edit

The Klingons didn't fully trust the Federation with mauler technology, and before things blew up between the Klingons and Lyrans they were starting to share mauler technology with the Lyrans. This added to their distrust and prevented them from sharing it.

By John de Michele (Jdemichele) on Thursday, July 14, 2011 - 04:18 pm: Edit

Ah, ok. I've just been noticing in the battles between the Federation and Gorns that while the Federation has the benefit of high pin count, they don't really have any 'knockout' ships. They're trying to be the Coalition while fielding ships like the Alliance.

John.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Thursday, July 14, 2011 - 09:53 pm: Edit

John as a balance option you could allow the Federation or anyone else for that matter to build maulers even though they are conjectural ships for most "alliance" empires.

By John de Michele (Jdemichele) on Friday, July 15, 2011 - 10:52 am: Edit

Yep, that's true. I'm really enjoying the scenario. It's interesting to see the initial interactions. The Klingon-Lyran conflict has two forces with the same strengths and weaknesses going at it. The Klingons have the advantage of a bigger economy and being on the offensive, while the Lyrans can concentrate their forces and prevent the knockout punch. On the other front, the Federation has a weak initial fleet, but a huge economy so they get the snowball effect. The Gorns have their high COMPOT-density ships, but no DNs at the start, and most of their planets are in the eastern half of their territory.

John.

By John de Michele (Jdemichele) on Wednesday, October 12, 2011 - 10:20 pm: Edit

Thomas:

We had an issue come up with the language in 6TW.266 and 6TW.274 vs. the Turn 5 release schedule. The turn 5 release schedule says that all Lyran and Kzinti forces are available. 6TW.266 says that the Red Claw fleet doesn't get released until the turn after the Klingons go to full war with the Kzintis, the Lyran capital planet is attacked, or the Count's Fleet is released early. 6TW.274 says the same thing, except flipped for the Kzinti. The Klingons went to full war with the Kzinti on turn C5. Chris argues that the release schedule overrules 6TW.266 and 6TW.274, and allows the release of those two fleets on turn A5. Obviously, I feel otherwise. We decided to play through, but could you clarify this? Thanks!

John.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Thursday, October 13, 2011 - 01:57 am: Edit

I'll have an answer for you later today, after I've had some sleep and have some time to wake up and smell the coffe as well as refresh my memory on what the exact sequence is supposed to be.

Thanks for point it out.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Thursday, October 13, 2011 - 08:43 am: Edit

Ok, the remainder of the Red Claw fleet is released on turn 6, unless the Klingons have devastated a major planet in teh Lyran capital, or the Federation has already attacked the Kzinti captial.

The Counts Fleet is released on turn 6, unless the Federation as already attacked the Kzinti capital.

In both casees, the fleets can react during coalition turn 6 op move out of their respective fleet deployment areas.

I'm sorry for the confusion. This is something I need to word better for clarity.

By Chris LaRusso (Soulcatcher) on Thursday, October 13, 2011 - 11:45 pm: Edit

Thanks Thomas,

Recommend then that Turn 5 Kzinti and Lyran fleet release needs to read 'as above' instead of 'all fleets released' and Turn 6 Kzinti and Lyran Fleet release then needs to read 'all fleets released' to avoid confusion.

I might also point out that the same situation faces the Feds: 6th and 7th fleet are tied up until turn 9 unless the Romulans or Gorn enter those fleet areas or destroy 6th or 5th starbase.

By Chris LaRusso (Soulcatcher) on Friday, December 16, 2011 - 09:23 pm: Edit

I should have noted this earlier, but where does the Hydran Pre-war construction go? OOB does not specify.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Saturday, December 17, 2011 - 05:59 am: Edit

Chris,any empire with Pre War Contstruction that is not assigned to a specific fleet may be place in any fleet at the owner's discretion.

By Keith Plymale (Zaarin7) on Tuesday, July 08, 2014 - 03:38 pm: Edit

This looks very cool. Has it in fact been printed?

By John de Michele (Jdemichele) on Tuesday, July 08, 2014 - 04:24 pm: Edit

@Keith:

It is a cool scenario. I don't think that it has been printed in a Captain's Log yet. The geographic (astrographic) situation between the Lyrans and Klingons means that a lot of planets are really vulnerable on both sides. I think that the Federation probably needs a bit more of a boost in terms of ships, due to its very weak early build schedule.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Tuesday, July 08, 2014 - 10:35 pm: Edit

It hasn't been published. For which I'm glad. Your reviving of the topic has given me an idea on how to incorporate this with the playtest Paravians. The modification will have to wait until I get another cyberboard scenario set up first for the Paravians. Once that is done, and it will probably be late in the year or early next year before it is done, I will come back and look at this.

The playtest GW Paravians may actually fix the balance issues with the Feds. The last iteration of changes fixed most of it, but not all. Note the Federation and Klingon construction schedule modifications for this scenario are in the scenario rules.

By Matthew Potter (Neonpico) on Tuesday, July 08, 2014 - 11:56 pm: Edit

There have been some corrections posted since the last official scenario posting. Would posting the latest version (with all corrections) be a problem?

By Mike Oliver (Mholiver) on Wednesday, July 09, 2014 - 12:17 am: Edit

Hey Turtle
Can you send me a updated PDF of your scenario. I do like it alot it seem to added favor to the game...................Thank You Michael H Oliver

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Wednesday, July 09, 2014 - 12:23 am: Edit

Twisted wind has some balance issues. I started play testing it with Turtle back in 2009 or 2010. It needs nudging and another play test or two.

By Keith Plymale (Zaarin7) on Wednesday, July 09, 2014 - 08:25 am: Edit

I copied the last full posting in to Word and I think I incorporated all the amendments since then. I tried to send it to you Thomas and got a bounce back from the e-mail on the profile. I'd play test this over Vassal/Skype if I had an opponent.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Wednesday, July 09, 2014 - 09:55 am: Edit

Keith, I'm not sure you are having emails sent to me bounced. I get them from others all the time.

MHO, email sent.

I actually think the balance issues with this scenario will be fixed with some changes in the dynamic with the addition of the Paravians as part of the lost empires rather than more changes to the Fed OOB.

By John de Michele (Jdemichele) on Wednesday, July 09, 2014 - 11:11 am: Edit

@Turtle

I could certainly see that. Another possibility, although it may cause more difficulties, would be to incorporate the ISC.

@Keith

Send me an email. I would be interested in trying this one again.

By Keith Plymale (Zaarin7) on Wednesday, July 09, 2014 - 03:41 pm: Edit

@ Thomas

Try sending to my email sir. Thank you.

@ John

Email sent to the one on your profile.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Wednesday, July 09, 2014 - 03:53 pm: Edit

sent from my profile email

By Keith Plymale (Zaarin7) on Wednesday, July 09, 2014 - 05:36 pm: Edit

I received and responded to both of you gentlemen.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, March 04, 2021 - 08:25 am: Edit

This would be a great scenario to do sometime but not before Civil Wars and Tactical Operations are completely finished and shipped to customers. Until then, the staff needs to be gazelle intense and laser focused on getting the scenarios for CW and TO and nothing else.