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i'm currently waiting on my shipment which UPS said 'April 20, 2018 10:20 UNITED KINGDOM ATTEMPTED DELIVERY ABROAD'

when in actuality i was waiting at that precise moment outside my door with my 82 yr old mother for her disabled bus to turn up to take her to her social club (i'd gone indoors at 10.18am to check the time for her as they were running late).

so yeah when i order the rest of the stuff (circa $120 (i know chuck, im still way behind you.).) i think CL#18 will be sought.

By jim howard (Noseybonk) on Friday, April 20, 2018 - 03:05 pm: Edit

hmm $13.00 bargain and dang! to not Knowing about the liberation stuff before ordering under two weeks ago

By Douglas Saldana (Dsal) on Friday, April 20, 2018 - 06:55 pm: Edit

Shouldn't the GRN and VLT listed actually be LCA's and LFF's? R9.104 states that more than a dozen Local Defense Frigates were refitted for use in the War of Return. (unfortunately, R9.103 does not tell us how many Local Defense Cruisers served in the war). Note that the LCAs carry two fighters each.

Per R9.105 6 LFV's also fought in the War of Return (6 stingers each).

Per R9.91 the lone GRV (10 stingers) stayed in the Lost Colonies during the war.

Regarding the YIS of the RN, LN, HN, and SC: the ship descriptions imply that mass production of these designs must have begun several years prior to the listed YIS given how many of these ships served in the war.

R9.2 states that more than a dozen RN were in service in the War of Return.

R9.3 states that more than a dozen LN were in service during the war.

R9.6 states that "more than three dozen" HN were in service in the War of Return

R9.5 states that 4 SC were in service during the war.

Of course, these numbers include ships built during the war, not just those in the initial order of battle. These numbers might also include some ships that were set aside for the defense of the Old Colonies and didn't participate in the war.

Regarding Coalition Forces: I can't give you an exact quote but I recall some background from the intro to Module Y1 that implied that the Klingon and Lyran occupation fleets included both refitted (national guard) and unrefitted (EY) ships as well as a handful of modern ships so rules would be needed to account for the differing capabilities of three generations of warships.

By Douglas Saldana (Dsal) on Friday, April 20, 2018 - 07:39 pm: Edit

R9.40 does not tell us how many LC served in the war.

Overall, the number of Hydran ships referenced in the MSSB seems too high to me. Even if you ignore the YIS dates and assume that the Hydrans began constructing their modern fleet shortly after their Civil War ended in Y128 the cost of building that many ships (while also modernizing a substantial number of EY hulls, ramping up fighter production, and rebuilding from the Civil War) seems daunting. Take in mind that Phaser-G's were not invented until Y133 which must have required a hasty refit of any ships built prior to that date. Even with economic support from the Occupied Kingdom (as described in "After the Fall" in Module Y3) this seems beyond the Hydran's means and construction rates would be an issue as well even if funds were available.

Perhaps the Hydrans engaged in some sort of deception campaign to exaggerate the perceived size of their fleet?

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Friday, April 20, 2018 - 08:22 pm: Edit

Klingon Cruiser production during the 4PW is 2xD7 and 2xD6 per year. Y158 -Y162.

I suspect that when the D7's started coming out it was 1xD7 and 3xD6 per year since they seemed to have problems producing Ph-1's.

Also figure there are years that they didn't produce a full schedule since they didn't need the ships or couldn't afford the schedule on a peacetime economy.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Saturday, April 21, 2018 - 04:57 am: Edit

National guard ships weren't in game back when CL#18 was done, as far as I recall.

By Mike Dowd (Mike_Dowd) on Saturday, April 21, 2018 - 10:19 am: Edit

Richard;

My local group is playing a free-form F&E EY campaign that spans from W to GW tech. We have a comprehensive and balanced MSIT for all of the major empires and balance rules that will allow you to pit W ships against anything in the published material *without* fudging factors on the counter.


If you'd like a copy, please contact me. The stuff is in Excel format.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Saturday, April 21, 2018 - 12:23 pm: Edit

Nah, it's cool; I am not working on that stuff at this time.

Where are y'all located btw?

By Mike Dowd (Mike_Dowd) on Saturday, April 21, 2018 - 02:11 pm: Edit

Victoria BC. Our games are played via email though, and the game map is run on a modified Vassal module. The map starts completely unknown, and a GM procedurally generates the map as you explore.

By jim howard (Noseybonk) on Friday, April 27, 2018 - 07:31 pm: Edit

mike can you send me the stuff your group uses please.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, March 04, 2021 - 08:25 am: Edit

This would be a great scenario to do sometime but not before Civil Wars and Tactical Operations are completely finished and shipped to customers. Until then, the staff needs to be gazelle intense and laser focused on getting the scenarios for CW and TO and nothing else.

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Thursday, March 04, 2021 - 02:45 pm: Edit

I've half rewritten the scenario (did this back in 2010) with notes as to changes and why the changes, I could continue with that and send it to you or Chuck or whoever.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, March 04, 2021 - 04:41 pm: Edit

AFTER we finish the two irons in the fire.

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Thursday, March 04, 2021 - 04:52 pm: Edit

Of course.