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Note that SPB-->SUB is legal in the base game SIT, but is not legal in the online SIT.

--Mike

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Monday, May 06, 2024 - 07:47 am: Edit

Regarding SPB>SUB conversion. The FH, SP, and SUP are all different base hull types. AFAIK, there is no instance in which a two step conversion can involve changing the base hull type twice.

By Benjamin Lee Johnson (Jedipilot24) on Monday, May 06, 2024 - 05:41 pm: Edit

SBP>NHB is allowed and that also involves changing the base hull type twice.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Saturday, November 30, 2024 - 04:08 pm: Edit

Apparently, the new counter sheets include different modular arrangements for the Gryphonhawk HCW. If so, then the latest Romulan SIT should be updated to include such modular arrangements (see below).

Please update Rom SIT accordingly.

Ted Fay, Kansas, 11/30/24.

By Benjamin Lee Johnson (Jedipilot24) on Saturday, November 30, 2024 - 03:54 pm: Edit

From the Countersheet revision forums:

GHS: 6-7*/3-4; survey variant of GH;
GHB: 7(8)/4(4); carrier variant of GH
GHM: 8-7/4; mauler variant of GH
GHU: 6-7(8H)*/3-4(4H); heavy fighter carrier
GHG: 7GG/4
GHV: 7(8H2)/4(4H1); patrol carrier; the SPV should also be (8H2) because only 6 factors of standard fighters are converted to 8 heavy fighter factors (530.222). This is also supported by the RMSSB.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, November 30, 2024 - 11:36 pm: Edit

Chuck, have the staff confirm that the counters are what you want in the GH department and that the above data is correct.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Sunday, December 01, 2024 - 01:33 am: Edit

I think there should be some limits to GH, such as one hull per year or turn subbed for an SP.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Saturday, November 30, 2024 - 03:33 pm: Edit

Q on Romulan GHA: Can you put other SP modules on the GHA (other than GHA-C, which is listed)?

The SIT says that this ship is modular. However, other than a very short entry in Captain's Log 30, I can find no rules on the ship. If the GHA is modular, then that implies I could put other Sparrowhawk modules on the GHA. However, the SIT only provides for the GHA, GHA-C, and GHA-J. Therefore, I have assumed for purposes of my game that only those variants are allowed in F&E.

But is that really the case? Could I build a GHA with carrier or commando sparrowhawk modules?

By Benjamin Lee Johnson (Jedipilot24) on Saturday, November 30, 2024 - 03:54 pm: Edit

From the Countersheet revision forums:

GHS: 6-7*/3-4; survey variant of GH;
GHB: 7(8)/4(4); carrier variant of GH
GHM: 8-7/4; mauler variant of GH
GHU: 6-7(8H)*/3-4(4H); heavy fighter carrier
GHG: 7GG/4
GHV: 7(8H2)/4(4H1); patrol carrier; the SPV should also be (8H2) because only 6 factors of standard fighters are converted to 8 heavy fighter factors (530.222). This is also supported by the RMSSB.

By Warren Mathews (Turtle) on Saturday, November 30, 2024 - 04:06 pm: Edit

From the Rom 2020 SIT:

GHA 8-7/4
GHC 6-7 Sc Symbol/4
GHJ 10-7S/4

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Saturday, November 30, 2024 - 04:13 pm: Edit

The current rules provide no entries for the Romulan Gryphonhawk HCW, other than the entry in the official Romulan SIT (which needs to be updated to include different modular/ship arrangements other than the GHA, GHC, and GHJ, as in the current SIT - as I've already suggested in the Rom SIT topic).

The Warbook should include an entry for the Grphyonhawk and an indication that production is not limited (or is limited).

Note that in SFB the GHA is a "LPW" ship. However, nowhere in the current F&E rules that I can find (note: that I can find), nor in Captain's Log 30 where the GHA was introduced, could I find any actual production limits of GH* ships in F&E.

I've gone with the default that I can always sub a GH* for a SP* on the production schedule (within the limits of specialty ship restrictions). If this is not correct, a rule needs to be added accordingly (and also noted on the SIT). A rule should also make this explicit if the GH*/SP* substitution is not limited in F&E, on account that the ship is LPW in SFB.

Ted Fay, Kansas, 11/30/24

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Saturday, November 30, 2024 - 07:06 pm: Edit

For what it's worth, there is a separate thread on the BBS in which a proposed revision to (433.43) has been discussed; it would appear that, as and when the Basic Set rulebook is next updated, such a rule revision might also provide an opportunity to more formally integrate GryphonHawk modularity into this game system.

Also, thus far the only proposed production limit I have seen for any particular GryphonHawk configuration is in this thread. There, it was suggested that the GryphonHawk-L (one of the GH configurations which has had its own counter added to Countersheet Vulkan) be given certain deployment limitations - since, as only so many GryphonHawks were historically built, only a small number of those would likely have been assigned the use of SparrowHawk-type "leader" modules. However, this proposed rule has yet to be formally committed to print or PDF form.

For that matter, it remains to be seen whether the GryphonHawk is to be considered closer to a "war cruiser" or to a "new heavy cruiser", in terms of whether they should get a "free" GHL upgrade under (551.12) or not.

And as an aside, I should add that the GryphonHawk - along with a number of heavy war cruisers for other Alpha Octant empires - was formally published for SFB in Module R12.

EDIT: It's worth noting that said heavy war cruisers from R12 tend to have production limits of their own when being brought over to F&E, as listed in the Tactical Operations SIT file. So it's likely that, beyond the more specific limits on GHL deployments that are likely to be formalized at some point, the "base" GryphonHawk hull might find itself placed under equivalent production limits to those outlined for, say, the Federation CM or the Klingon HD5.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Sunday, December 01, 2024 - 01:32 am: Edit

I think there should be some limits to GH, such as one hull per year or turn subbed for an SP.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Sunday, December 01, 2024 - 01:42 am: Edit

I moved all three GH conversations to this point as when I get around to resolving it I will never find all three if they're in random topics. In future, try to keep the discussions of one ship inside one topic.

By Warren Mathews (Turtle) on Sunday, December 01, 2024 - 12:36 pm: Edit

@Ted Fay, The GHA, GHC, and GHJ have counters on Tactical Operations Sheet Tango.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Monday, December 02, 2024 - 03:02 pm: Edit

I did a bit more digging through the Module R12 SIT file linked to above, and it appears that there are a few "tiers" of availability, depending on which empire (and which heavy war cruiser design) is being referred to.

In some cases, a given design (such as the Federation CM) is initially limited to one per year by any means, going up to two per year at a certain date.

For others, like the Lyran HCW, this goes from one per year to one per turn, again at such-and-such a point in time.

These increases happen a few years earlier for certain Alpha empires (such as the Gorns and Lyrans) than for others (such as the Federation and Klingons), perhaps due to the engineering involved. Which seems to echo how things are for HCWs in SFB terms, where it's noted that those with two destroyer engines and two frigate engines are easier to operate than those with two war cruiser engines and a two-box "warp pack" installed. (As it happens, the GryphonHawk uses two SparrowHawk engines and two SeaHawk engines.)

Meanwhile, certain types (like the Hydran HMO and HTA) are presently limited to one per year, with no later increase - which, in this case, means one of either the fusion or the hellbore design per year, not one of each per year.

As it happens, there is a sample case for the Romulans, in terms of which way they are obliged to go about things: the KHD5 is limited to one per year prior to Y180, and 2 per year thereafter. (As with the Klingon HD5, this design uses two D5/KDR engines, plus a two-box "warp pack".)

On a separate note: most HCW SIT entries include a note stating that the ship in question uses the same depot rules as the matching war cruiser design: for example, a Klingon HD5 depots as a D5.

With these data points in mind, I would suggest the GryphonHawk follow the Kestrel example in some ways, but the Kzinti example in others: as in, to permit only one per year prior to Y178, with two per year thereafter; and to have it depot as a SparrowHawk.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Tuesday, December 03, 2024 - 12:04 am: Edit

MEMO FOR RECORD

The GHM is the ESCORT version of the GH; it is not a mauler version.

The GH use the same suffix designators as a SparrowHawk.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Saturday, January 04, 2025 - 02:26 am: Edit

Note to check if Romulan BEV can be converted to a KEV.

Quick search didnt turn anything up either way. Would need the line / costs entered if deemed possible.

Would tend to think ‘allowed’ as a WE can be turned into a BEV, KE, or KEV. Thus it stands to reason this is possible.

Obviously this would could against the WE/KE conversion limit. Would it also count against the medium carrier limit? I think there is precedent requiring this (check that as well).

By Benjamin Lee Johnson (Jedipilot24) on Saturday, January 04, 2025 - 10:28 am: Edit

Assuming that it's allowed, BEV>KEV would probably be: "3+2", but I don't think that it should count against the medium carrier limit for the same reason that the Klingon CVT>CVT+ conversion doesn't count.

From the "Ancient Wings" article in "Star Fleet Times 34"

Queen Eagle Medium Carrier (QEV); escort is 1xBHE OR 1xSNE; 2-8 (5)/1-4 (2.5); CR: 8; YIS: Y173; QE (3); from BEV: 2; for WE: 8+10; 2.000; can be converted to a KEV for 2+2.

King Falcon Heavy Mauler (HFA): 11-10/5; CR: 8; YIS: Y172; FAL (3); from FAL: 3; for WE: 11; 2.2250; Mauler; Shock Variant (Roll: 5-6 on D6).

Screech Owl Heavy Scout: This is the Queen Scout Eagle (QSE) in TACOPS.

Snipe-C Battle Frigate Leader (SNC): 5/3; CR 4; SN (4); YIS: Y174; from SNB: 1; from SN: 2; for SN: 4; 1.000; SNX can be converted from SNC for 3.

By augmentin 1g price in kenya on Thursday, May 15, 2025 - 09:07 am: Edit

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