04-Romulan SIT Updates

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By Eric Smith (Badsyntax) on Tuesday, March 05, 2013 - 09:27 pm: Edit

Turtle, should the ICN really be ICV? You did refer to it as such in the TCS conversion.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Tuesday, March 05, 2013 - 09:58 pm: Edit

Ooops. Thanks Eric. It should be ICV.

Romulan: King Condor Battleship: ICV, Ref: 96, Factors 20(12)/10(6), Product: TBD, CMND: 10, Date Avail: Y177 (436.0), Base Hull Size: KCN(2), Conversion Cost, Source: KCN: 4+24, Build Cost Special: 38+24, Salvage: 9.0, Notes: Heavy Carrier of Battleship Entire Entry missing, other empires have their BBV ship included in their SITs. Thomas Mathews 5 Mar 2013

Romulan: King Condor Battleship: TCS, Ref: 97, Factors 20(6)P/10(3)P, Product: TBD, CMND: 10, Date Avail: Y182 (436.0), Base Hull Size: KCN(2), Conversion Cost, Source: KCN: 5+12+PFs, ICV:3+PFs, Build Cost Special: 41+12+PFs, Salvage: 9.0, Notes: Space Control Ship variant of Battleship Entire Entry missing, other empires have their SDS ships included in their SITs. Thomas Mathews 5 Mar 2013

The above posts replace those made on 18 Feb 2013 to correct the designation of the Imperial Condor Carrier (ICV), better known as the BBV, using the SFB designation on the SSD and in G3.

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Wednesday, March 06, 2013 - 06:19 am: Edit

Romulan: King Condor: KCN to ICV conversion cost should be 4+16
(rationale: KCN already has 4 "true carrier" fighter factors)
Jason E. Schaff - 03/06/13

Romulan: King Condor: KCN to TCS conversion cost should be 5+4+PFs
(rational: KCN already has 4 "true carrier" fighter factors)
Jason E. Schaff - 03/06/13

Romulan: King Condor: ICV to TCS conversion cost should be 5+PFs
(rationale: All CVA to SCS and BBV to SDS conversions, except for Federation, currently listed in the SITS are a base cost of 5 EP. There is nothing special about the Romulan conversion to support a different cost.)
Jason E. Schaff - 03/06/13

By James Lowry (Rindis) on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 07:43 pm: Edit

Romulan WH: Factors are given as "2.5(2.5)/1-3(1)". Should be updated to "2-5(2t)/1-3(1)" [triangle factor] to match SIT and counters in F&E 2010.

Romulan SNE: First line under Conversions should read "From SN: 1" (currently there's just a space between 'From' and the colon).

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Wednesday, June 26, 2013 - 10:59 am: Edit

Romulan FHM: Page 13 of R10 says that it is impossible to put M (escort) modules on a FH. This ship should be removed from the chart.

By Eric Smith (Badsyntax) on Wednesday, June 26, 2013 - 11:24 am: Edit

Sheet 4 already has an FHM counter though, granted, its a deprecated sheet, but it is already in the game.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Wednesday, June 26, 2013 - 12:01 pm: Edit

It has been pointed out that it was added before R10 came out, which has since invalidated the existence (so to speak) of the FHM.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Wednesday, June 26, 2013 - 02:05 pm: Edit

But the FHM is in (R4.130) and is in module R11 on pg 19.

By Eric Smith (Badsyntax) on Wednesday, June 26, 2013 - 02:19 pm: Edit

I think the word we are looking for is "conjectural" :)

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Wednesday, June 26, 2013 - 02:37 pm: Edit

Ah, thanks Turtle. Nevermind then.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 03:18 pm: Edit

Romulan: BATTLE HAWK DESTROYER: BHG: Recommend adding the historical Battle Hawk ground combat ship as it is not currently in F&E. Might be a good candidate for adding to an updated CO and to associated 280 counter sheet. Suggested data for BHG: factors 3-5G/1-3; ref 85; Prod TBD; CR6; YIS Y166; Size BH(4); From BH: 1; For SK: 5; salv 1.25; Notes: Commando Variant. STRONG - 27 Jun 2013

By Eric Smith (Badsyntax) on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 05:22 pm: Edit

Ummmm... what product is the BHG in? Ref 88 was the BHF (AO) from module R6/p25.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 05:27 pm: Edit

I think that's the COH (that's what that is!) from module M, (R4.85).

By Eric Smith (Badsyntax) on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 05:43 pm: Edit

Ahhh, yeah, that makes more sense, and the BHG to make the naming convention match F&E better. So just update the Ref to 85 and its good to go.

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Sunday, January 12, 2014 - 10:34 am: Edit

Romulan FHC: Date available should be Y171 (not Y174). Rationale: The SFB Master Ship Chart YIS is 171. - Jason E. Schaff 01/12/2014

Romulan FHP: Date available should be Y172 (not Y174). Rationale: The SFB Master Ship Chart YIS is 172. - Jason E. Schaff 01/12/2014

Romulan SKH: Date available should be Y168 (not Y170). Rationale: The SFB Master Ship Chart YIS is 168. - Jason E. Schaff 01/12/2014

Romulan JH: Date available should be Y176 (not Y177). Rationale: The SFB Master Ship Chart YIS is 176. - Jason E. Schaff 01/12/2014

Romulan KDV: Date available should be Y174 (not Y175). Rationale: The SFB Master Ship Chart YIS is 174. - Jason E. Schaff 01/12/2014

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Thursday, January 23, 2014 - 10:06 am: Edit

Romulan: Seahawk Frigates: SEB: Cost 4.5+6 should be 3.5+6 Escort carriers are base hull +1 EP for carriers plus the cost of fighters. The SEH has a base cost of 2.5. Thomas Mathews 23 Jan 2014

By Steven E. Ehrbar (See) on Saturday, February 08, 2014 - 04:10 pm: Edit

Romulan SHH: Reference number should be 133, not Future.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 03:48 pm: Edit

Q704.4 What is the conversion cost of a SN to a BHE (in F&E 2010)? It is not on the SIT.

FOR BASIC F&E ONLY: Conversion of SN to BHE will cost 3 EPs. Rationale: the BHE costs 5.5EP to build under the new light escort cost system.

FEDS SENDS

By Eric S. Smith (Badsyntax) on Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 06:00 pm: Edit

There is not a single conversion from an SN* to a BH* listed anywhere, nor vice-versa, nor any substitutions. I couldn't find any reference to any way either ship could be converted into either other (except a SN/FF being substituted for a BH/DD, though that is assumed as I didn't find it specifically listed anywhere).

Not saying it should be either way, just that it currently isn't.

(704.4) Conversion of SN to BHE allowed until Advanced Operations provides SNE counters.

FEDS SENDS

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 06:46 pm: Edit

Other an Origins lunch when I said I'd look at it has the "light escort cost system" actually been approved?

By Nick Blank (Nickgb) on Wednesday, March 19, 2014 - 09:12 am: Edit

From here:

http://www.starfleetgames.com/discus/messages/37/32284.html?1372037673

By Mike Curtis (Fear) on Friday, June 14, 2013 - 04:11 pm: Edit

Official ruling by SVC: All light escorts now cost 0.5 EPs to produce or convert as determined by staff and SVC. SITs to be adjusted at a later time to reflect this change. FCRs are not normal light escorts and do not count in this ruling.

By Eric S. Smith (Badsyntax) on Wednesday, March 19, 2014 - 10:16 am: Edit

If these are indeed final, it represents a significant change to all the SITs.

Sure glad I can knock it out in like 10 minutes with in my SIT database :)

Maybe this will help (all the ships marked as "light" escorts that are not FCRs):

I *think* this is a list of all the *current* ships that would be affected:
Federation DWA
Federation DE
Federation FBE
Federation FFE
Federation FXE
Gorn BDE
Gorn DE
Hydran DWE
Hydran AH
ISC DE
ISC FFE
Klingon FWE
Klingon F6E
Klingon F5E
Klingon E4A
Kzinti DWE
Kzinti FKE
Kzinti EFF
Lyran DWE
Lyran DDE
Lyran FFE
Orion DWE
Orion LRE
Romulan BHE
Romulan K5D
Romulan SKE
Romulan K4D
Romulan SEE
Romulan SNE
Tholian DDE
Tholian PCE


And the proposed/future/playtest, minus the latest CL which I haven't bought yet because shipping between Dallas and Amarillo is apparently extremely expensive.
ISC HWX-E
Klingon E5E
Kzinti FEX
LDR DWE
LDR FFE
LDR MPE
LDR PE
Paravian DWE
Paravian FFE
Peladine DWA
Klingon LF4
Romulan KF4
Romulan KEW
Seltorian DDE
Vudar DWE
Vudar FFE

However, not all of those are currently 1 EP to convert, especially X ships. Maybe it should be .5 EP savings instead of a flat .5 EP cost.

By Randy Blair (Randyblair) on Wednesday, March 19, 2014 - 11:03 am: Edit


Quote:

And the proposed/future/playtest, minus the latest CL which I haven't bought yet because shipping between Dallas and Amarillo is apparently extremely expensive.



Eric, ignore what the cart says. Leanna ALWAYS gives money back for the difference in the shipping. It's never as much as the cart says.

By Mike Curtis (Fear) on Wednesday, March 19, 2014 - 11:50 am: Edit

Wrong place for this, just Romulan SIT updates.

Staff is in discussion, currently, with SVC on the light escort conversion cost. Please wait for it.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Saturday, April 05, 2014 - 11:33 am: Edit

Romulan: FireHawk Heavy Cruisers: FHU: YIS: Y177 should be Y179. Y179 is the Hvy Fighter Introduction Date in G3 and (530.0). Also This unit is given Y177 as an arbritary date in G3 but was unbuilt. G3 report also posted for this unit. Thomas Mathews 5 Apr 2014

Romulan: Small Auxiliaries: SAH: YIS: Y175 should be Y179. Y179 is the Hvy Fighter Introduction Date in G3 and (530.0). Thomas Mathews 5 Apr 2014


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