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SR: The scout diamond should be red as this is a survey ship. Ken Kazinski, 26 July 2020.

SRV: The scout diamond should be red as this is a survey ship. Ken Kazinski, 26 July 2020.

By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Sunday, July 26, 2020 - 05:37 pm: Edit

NRV: The scout diamond should be red as this is a survey ship. Ken Kazinski, 26 July 2020.

NSR: The scout diamond should be red as this is a survey ship. Ken Kazinski, 26 July 2020.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Wednesday, August 19, 2020 - 04:54 pm: Edit

SF: Should the Kzinti SF actually have a command rating of 4? Peter Bakija, 19 August 2020

Explanation: Kzinti SF is a 2.5 cost FF that becomes a 1 point scout for a conversion cost of 1, and apparently gets an increased command rating from 3 (regular FF) to 4 (SF). The otherwise identical Klingon E4>E4S, Hydran HN>SC, and Tholian PC>SC conversions (all three 4 point FFs converted to 1 point scouts for 1 point conversion cost) do *not* get an increased command rating to 4. The Klingon F5>F5S and Fed FF>FFS also 1 point for a 1 point scout, also no increase in command rating.

Checked all previous Kzinti SITs, they all show Kzinti SF with a command rating of 4. Checked SIT in 2K10 hard copy rulebook, also has SF with command rating of 4. Kzinti SDF has command rating of 3 as well (so if you convert a command rating 4 SF into an SDF, it *loses* a point of command rating...)

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Wednesday, August 19, 2020 - 07:13 pm: Edit

The SFB Master Ship Chart shows the SF with a command rating of 4.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Wednesday, August 19, 2020 - 07:15 pm: Edit

As does the 2K10 SIT (which is where the SFB command ratings came from). It clearly has had a CR of 4 for a while now. But it is a non-sensical command rating, giving all other factors involved.

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Wednesday, August 19, 2020 - 07:24 pm: Edit

Actually, the Module G3 MSC I have (April 13, 2009) predates F&E 2K10.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, August 20, 2020 - 12:42 am: Edit

It is a 4. That's that.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Thursday, August 20, 2020 - 09:57 am: Edit

>>Actually, the Module G3 MSC I have (April 13, 2009) predates F&E 2K10.>>

No, no, the point was that command ratings in SFB came directly from the F+E SIT charts; the Kzinti SF has been listed in F+E SIT charts with a command rating of 4 since as far back as 1989 (DF+E '89 rulebook is the first to specifically list Kzinti SF as a CR4; oddly all other light FF scouts are listed as CR3 in that same chart. In the F+E '86 rulebook, there Kzinti SF isn't specifically listed at all, but the Command Rating chart weirdly just says "4: SCOUTS" and then lists a few other random ships).

>>It is a 4. That's that.>>

Fair enough!

I mean, it's weird. And seems like it was possibly originally an error in '89. But ok, and probably not worth changing at this point.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Thursday, August 20, 2020 - 11:29 am: Edit

For Grins and Giggles I went back to the oldest SIT that I know have on file. The July 2008 Kzinti SIT lists the SF with a Command Rating of 4.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 - 12:01 pm: Edit

Looking at CL44 SSD for the Jumbos it seems...

JAV: Attack Factor should be increased to 4 to match the other empires (Klingon is the closest comparison of weapon systems). L.Bergen 29 DEC 2020

JAS: Attack Factor should be increased to 4 to match the other empires (Klingon is the closest comparison). L.Bergen 29 DEC 2020

JAP: Attack Factor should be increased to 4 to match the other empires (Klingon is the closest comparison). L.Bergen 29 DEC 2020

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, June 08, 2021 - 04:03 pm: Edit

SIT Kzinti SIT: DWE should have escort mark for both sides.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Wednesday, December 29, 2021 - 03:10 pm: Edit

ACS: Has a YIS date of y175, has 8H (heavy fighters). Kzinti introduction date for heavy fighters is y178 (530.223). Peter Bakija, 29 Dec, 2021.

CSV: Has a YIS date of y175, has 8H (heavy fighters). Kzinti introduction date for heavy fighters is y178 (530.223). Peter Bakija, 29 Dec, 2021.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Wednesday, December 29, 2021 - 05:25 pm: Edit

Peter, the ACS and CSV have YIS dates before the heavy fighter introduction date as they were produced before the official introduction of the Kzinti Heavy Fighters. See G3 and (R5.79) and (R5.81).

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Thursday, December 30, 2021 - 04:38 pm: Edit

I don't have G3 handy; what do those entries (in a different game :-) say?

Is this suggesting that the Kzinti can deploy heavy fighters on the ACS and CSV a full *three* years before they actually invent heavy fighters?

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Thursday, December 30, 2021 - 04:56 pm: Edit

Correct, the Kzintis and others are able to deploy a limited number of heavy fighter carriers before the official introduction date of heavy fighters. I had the same issue with that a few years ago.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Thursday, December 30, 2021 - 08:16 pm: Edit

Huh. Well, ok then. Thanks!

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Friday, December 31, 2021 - 07:49 am: Edit

Copied from (530.0)

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Quote:

Rule (530.0) reflects the conversion of existing carriers, designed for standard fighters, to operate heavy fighters. Certain carriers (such as CSVs and ACSs) which are designed only to operate heavy fighters have earlier dates on the SIT and can be produced, within the above limits, as of those dates. This does not change the heavy fighter introduction date, which defines the date at which pods are available, the deployment of heavy fighters
on bases, etc.

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By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Sunday, October 16, 2022 - 03:12 pm: Edit

Kzinti FFK has command rating of 4 according to the SSD. It is listed as 3 on the SIT. I am not sure about the other variants (no SSDs for them). (Nick Samaras, October 16, 2022).

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Monday, October 17, 2022 - 11:28 am: Edit

Whatever the G3 MSC from SFB shows, then that is the correct CR.

By John M. Williams (Jay) on Monday, October 17, 2022 - 05:07 pm: Edit

The Master Annex File (Module G3) says the FFK has a command rating of 4.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Tuesday, October 18, 2022 - 05:55 am: Edit

Also see SVC post of 20 Aug 2022 of this topic where he confirms CR4 for the Kzinti FFK. We are done here.

By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Tuesday, October 18, 2022 - 06:21 pm: Edit

The August 20, 2022 post is about the Kzinti SF, which is also command rating 4. There is no mention of the FFK that I can see.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Tuesday, October 18, 2022 - 09:55 pm: Edit

Kzinti: FFK Frigates: FFK: Cmnd: 3 should be 4. Reason: G3 Master Annex lists the command rating of the FFK as a 4. Thomas Mathews 18 Oct 2022