05-Kzinti SIT Updates

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By James Lowry (Rindis) on Tuesday, January 24, 2012 - 10:23 pm: Edit

Kzinti CVL: Factors are given as "8(4)/4(2)". This should be updated to "8(4t)/4(2)" [triangle factor]; build cost should change to "10+9", and conversion from BC should cost "2+9" to match F&E2010 SIT and counters. -James Lowry 24 Jan 2012

Kzinti CVE: Factors are given as "6(3)/3(1)". This should be updated to "6(3)/3(1t)" [triangle factor] to match F&E2010 SIT and counters. -James Lowry 24 Jan 2012

[These reports are being provided under the assumption that they will be needed to update the main SIT to 2010 standards.]

By James Lowry (Rindis) on Wednesday, January 25, 2012 - 11:43 pm: Edit

Kzinti CV: Conversion cost from CVL should be updated to "4+3" to reflect changed CVL fighter factors. -James Lowry 25 Jan 2012

Kzinti BCV: Conversion cost from CVL should be updated to "4+3" to reflect changed CVL fighter factors. -James Lowry 25 Jan 2012

Kzinti ACS: Conversion cost from CVL should be updated to "3+19" to reflect changed CVL fighter factors. -James Lowry 25 Jan 2012

Kzinti DCS(H): Conversion cost from CVL should be updated to "3+3+16" to reflect changed CVL fighter factors. -James Lowry 25 Jan 2012

Kzinti DCS(P): Conversion cost from CVL should be updated to "3+3" to reflect changed CVL fighter factors. -James Lowry 25 Jan 2012

[These reports are being provided under the assumption that they will be needed to update the main SIT to 2010 standards.]

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Wednesday, February 22, 2012 - 08:06 am: Edit

James Lowry's Posts above are being processed. Please move these posts to thread "Older Archives for Turtle to Process". These reports are included in reports sent to Chuck because they contain changes made in the 2010 updates to Federation & Empire base game.

By Matthew Potter (Neonpico) on Saturday, February 25, 2012 - 02:17 pm: Edit

Going though the Kzinti MSIT (http://www.starfleetgames.com/documents/20914_msit-05_kzinti.pdf) and had some questions/corrections. Please let me know if I have it wrong (i.e. these really are different ships or the F&E reference is the correct one)

Kzinti LTT: Should be listed as MTT (R5.34) -Matthew Potter 25FEB12
Kzinti CMV: Should be listed as MCV (R5.27) -Matthew Potter 25FEB12

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, February 25, 2012 - 02:39 pm: Edit

Matthew: WRONG. You're using SFB designations without checking to see what F&E uses (which is the same 98.5% of the time, but not these times).

The Kzinti MTT/LTT has its counter printed as LTT in Combined Ops (on the theory that it would be easier for everyone if every LTT in the game was marked LTT).

The CMV/MCV counter is CMV and F&E uses that designation.

By Matthew Potter (Neonpico) on Saturday, February 25, 2012 - 03:29 pm: Edit

Thank you.
I was just going to post similar things in the Hydran section. I'll hold off, on the theory that the same thing is going on.
I have F&E 93, and using the Errata to see what I'm missing.

By Shawn Hantke (Shantke) on Saturday, February 25, 2012 - 10:50 pm: Edit

@Matthew, are you aware that F&E 2010 and ISC War are out?
F&E 2010- http://store.starfleetstore.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=5006&Category_Code=08

ISC War- http://store.starfleetstore.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=5006&Category_Code=08

The rules are also available as searchable pdfs on e23- F&E 2010- http://e23.sjgames.com/item.html?id=ADB5006-2
ISC War- http://e23.sjgames.com/item.html?id=ADB3210-2

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Sunday, February 26, 2012 - 06:11 am: Edit

There's been at least two updates of the rules since then; I highly recommend at least getting the 2010 rulebook.

By Matthew Potter (Neonpico) on Sunday, February 26, 2012 - 11:20 am: Edit

I have actually been considering making a couple E23 purchases that direction. I do all my playing online, so the markers are much less needed (as long as I don't need to refer to the compot and such of the markers. Now that I've found the above-referenced SITs, I don't need the expense of the cardboard).
Mostly what's stopping me is that my money-flow stopped last november, and I'm not sure the wife will be happy with MORE starfleet coming into the house.
But I have been eyeballing the E23 F&E stuff. One question did come up: If I could buy only one to three F&E things, which ones give me the most comprehensive rules coverage?

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Sunday, February 26, 2012 - 12:04 pm: Edit

Take this discussion to the general discussion thread please.

By Chris LaRusso (Soulcatcher) on Sunday, March 04, 2012 - 10:44 pm: Edit

Can you do a CVL->CVH conversion for 4+7?

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Monday, March 05, 2012 - 07:07 am: Edit

Kzinti: Heavy Battlecruiser: CVH: From CVL: 4+7 Missing conversion. Thomas Mathews 5 Mar 2012

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, March 31, 2012 - 03:04 pm: Edit

REPORTS PROCESSED
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Kzinti: Dreadnought: SCS: Product CO should read F&E. Counters and rules for SCS ships added to the 2010 version. Thomas Mathews 22 Feb 2012
STRONG: Unable to confirm if SCS counter is in F&E2KX. Online counter sheets "ONE" & "TWO" is out-of-date (2004). If Z-SCS counter is on the latest "ONE" sheet then list as product as "F&E".
SVC: It’s on BRAVO. Makes me wonder if anybody checked all of the other SCS ships.
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Kzinti: Heavy Battlecruiser: CV: Conversion cost from CVL should be updated to "4+3" to reflect changed CVL fighter factors. -James Lowry 25 Jan 2012
STRONG: CONCURS with conversion cost: From CVL: 4+3. Rationale: CVL factors changed to 4.5 factors in F&E2KX; CV has 6 fighter factors.
SVC: done.
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Kzinti: Heavy Battlecruiser: CVH: Is the YIS correct? SIT shows Y176, Rule 530.223 gives Kzinti Heavy Fighter introduction as Y178, Turn 20. L. Bergen 3 Nov, 2010
STRONG: PERPLEXED. G3 list date as Y176 also. I seem to recall some sort of heavy fighter carrier introduction exception but cannot cite rule.
SVC: changed to Y178 but needs further investigation.
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Kzinti: Heavy Battlecruiser: BCV: Conversion from CVL is missing the two-step conversion symbol (‡). This is a two-step conversion per (437.1), CVL>CV*>BCV=[4+4]+1-1=4+4. *Listed as CVS in (437.1) Jeff Coutu 19 January 09
STRONG: RECOMMENDATION: Add two-step conversion symbol (‡).
SVC: added.
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Kzinti: Heavy Battlecruiser: BCV: Conversion cost from CVL should be updated to "4+3" to reflect changed CVL fighter factors. -James Lowry 25 Jan 2012
STRONG: CONCURS with conversion cost: From CVL: 4+3. Rationale: CVL factors changed to 4.5 factors in F&E2KX; BCV has 6 fighter factors.
SVC: done.
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Kzinti: Heavy Battlecruiser: BCS: CVL>BCS=8‡ [currently SIT cost is 8+6‡]. No fighter factors are added during this conversion. The CVL has 4 fighter factors and the BCS has 3 fighter factors. Jeff Coutu 19 January 09
STRONG: RECOMMENDATION: Change conversion cost From CVL: 8‡. Rationale: BCS conversion does not add fighters.
SVC: very well.
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Kzinti: Battlecruiser: CVL: Factors are given as "8(4)/4(2)". This should be updated to "8(4.5)/4(2)" [triangle factor]; build cost should change to "10+9", and conversion from BC should cost "2+9" to match F&E2010 SIT and counters. -James Lowry 24 Jan 2012
STRONG: CONCURS.
SVC: done.
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Kzinti: Battlecruiser: ACS: Conversion cost from CVL should be updated to "3+19" to reflect changed CVL fighter factors. -James Lowry 25 Jan 2012
STRONG: CONCURS with conversion cost: From CVL: 4+19. Rationale: CVL factors changed to 4.5 factors in F&E2KX; ACS has 8H6 fighter factors.
SVC: I knew I was going to regret letting myself get talked into that.
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Kzinti: Battlecruiser: DCS(H): Conversion cost from CVL should be updated to "3+3+16" to reflect changed CVL fighter factors. -James Lowry 25 Jan 2012
STRONG: CONCURS with conversion cost: From CVL: 3+19. Rationale: CVL factors changed to 4.5 factors in F&E2KX; DCS(H) has 8H6 fighter factors. FURTHER RECOMMENDATION: rewrite From BC as 5+28 (we don’t list standard and heavy factor cost separately).
SVC: changed but maybe we should have listed them separately. Dunno. I hate that magical transformation thing.
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Kzinti: Battlecruiser: DCS(P): Conversion cost from CVL should be updated to "3+3" to reflect changed CVL fighter factors. -James Lowry 25 Jan 2012
STRONG: CONCURS with conversion cost: From CVL: 3+3. Rationale: CVL factors changed to 4.5 factors in F&E2KX; DCS(P) has 6 fighter factors.
SVC: done.
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Kzinti: New Heavy Cruiser: NCC: Conversion cost from CM should have "(minor)" added since both sub-steps of the two-step conversion each cost 3 EPs or less (437.21). CM>NCA>NCC=3+2-1=4 (minor). Jeff Coutu 19 January 09
STRONG: CONCURS; RECOMMENDATION add minor conversion symbol.
SVC: done.
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Not to F&E Czar: You need to figure out some scoreboard for sit update ribbons. Any valid input (not duplicating someone else) gets a blank, maybe 10 gets a diamond, 25 or 50 a rare cross, 50 or 100 gets a very rare star. Then you can keep a running total of kills and let me know who needs a ribbon.
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Kzinti: New Heavy Cruiser: NCD: Conversion cost from CM should have "(minor)" added since both sub-steps of the two-step conversion each cost 3 EPs or less (437.21). CM>NCA>NCD=3+3-1=5 (minor). Jeff Coutu 19 January 09
STRONG: CONCURS; RECOMMENDATION add minor conversion symbol.
SVC: done
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Kzinti: New Heavy Cruiser: NCF: Conversion cost from CM should have "(minor)" added since both sub-steps of the two-step conversion each cost 3 EPs or less (437.21). CM>NCA>NCF=3+2-1=4 (minor). Jeff Coutu 19 January 09
STRONG: CONCURS; RECOMMENDATION add minor conversion symbol.
SVC: done
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Kzinti: New Heavy Cruiser: NCG: Conversion cost from CM should have "(minor)" added since both sub-steps of the two-step conversion each cost 3 EPs or less (437.21). CM>NCA>NCG=3+2-1=4 (minor). Jeff Coutu 19 January 09
STRONG: CONCURS; RECOMMENDATION add minor conversion symbol.
SVC: added
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Kzinti: New Heavy Cruiser: NCV: Add to conversions "From CM‡: 4+12 (minor)". CM>NCA>NCV=3+[2+12]-1=4+12 (minor). This two-step conversion is listed in (437.1) but is not on the SIT. Jeff Coutu 19 January 09
STRONG: CONCURS; RECOMMENDATION also add minor conversion symbol.
SVC: done
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Kzinti: New Heavy Cruiser: NEC: Add to conversions "From CM‡: 3". CM>NCA>NEC=3+1-1=3. This two-step conversion is listed in (437.1) but is not on the SIT. Jeff Coutu 19 January 09
STRONG: RECOMMENDATION add conversion and minor conversion symbol but cost not discounted due to one step being only one point; list as "From CM‡: 4".
SVC: done
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Kzinti: New Heavy Cruiser: NRV: Conversion cost from MSC should have "(minor)" added since both sub-steps of the two-step conversion each cost 3 EPs or less (437.21). MSC>NSC>NRV=3+[3+4]-1=5+4 (minor). Jeff Coutu 19 January 09
STRONG: CONCURS; RECOMMENDATION add minor conversion symbol.
SVC: done
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Kzinti: New Heavy Cruiser: NSR: Conversion cost from MSC should have "(minor)" added since both sub-steps of the two-step conversion each cost 3 EPs or less (437.21). MSC>NSC>NSR=3+3-1=5 (minor). Jeff Coutu 19 January 09
STRONG: CONCURS; RECOMMENDATION add minor conversion symbol.
SVC: done.
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Kzinti: Medium Cruiser: CM: Conversion From CM?: 1 (V=2) should read Conversion From CM?: 1. The conversion of any variant back to the base hull is 1 regardless of variant except for maulers which can’t be unconverted. Thomas Mathews 22 Feb 2012
STRONG: CONCURS; this was clarified in F&E2KX; see (433.24). RECOMMENDTION: remove "(V=2)".
SVC: no idea what that’s about, but done.
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Kzinti: Light Cruiser: CVE: Change Conversion Cost From CL 1+6. Rationale: Escort carrier conversion costs were changed to 1 + fighters. Thomas Mathews 20 Feb 2011
STRONG: CONCURS.
SVC: done.
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Kzinti: Light Cruiser: CVE: Change Construction Cost For CL: 7+6. Rationale: Escort carrier construction costs were changed to Base Hull + 1 + fighters. Thomas Mathews 20 Feb 2011
STRONG: CONCURS.
SVC: ok.
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Kzinti: Light Cruiser: CVE: Factors are given as "6(3)/3(1)". This should be updated to "6(3)/3(1.5)" [triangle factor] to match F&E2010 SIT and counters. -James Lowry 24 Jan 2012
STRONG: CONCURS.
SVC: Set time machine, change all SFB carriers with odd number of fighters to next lower even number.
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Kzinti: PODS: PODS section is not arranged by date like the rest of the SIT (suggest sorting). Lawrence Bergen - 19 June 09
STRONG: RECOMMENDATION: Sort pod chart by DATE.
SVC: did what I could.
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Kzinti: War Destroyer: DWE: Add escort symbol to uncrippled and crippled factors. This unit is a qualfied carrier escort. Thomas Mathews 28 Feb 2011
STRONG: CONCURS.
SVC: done.
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Kzinti: FFK Frigates: FKE: FF->FFK->FKE, currently listed as a two-step conversion costing two points, individual conversions are one point each, so the two-step should be 1+1-1 cost, IMO. Richard Eitzen 16 FEB 11
STRONG: NON-CONCURS. Rationale: both steps cost one point each and ADB has ruled that if one step is a single point then there is no discount.
SVC: no change made.
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Kzinti: Frigates: POL: No Build Cost - Eric S. Smith 1 Jan 2009
STRONG: RECOMMENDATION per (531.122) add For FF: 2.5.
SVC: added.
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Kzinti: Frigates: PV: No Call Up cost like the police ships. - Eric S. Smith 1 Jan 2009
STRONG: RECOMMENDATION per (531.41) add Call up: 3. Note also that the build cost is incorrect and should be listed as for FF: 3.5 + 6; rationale (FF 2.5 + 1 escort carrier sub cost + 6 EP for three fighter factors).
SVC: added.
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Kzinti: Monitors and Pallets: MPAL(CV): SFB Ref # is "1.22 E" when most other races have it as just "22E" - Eric S. Smith 1 Jan 2009
STRONG: Reference of 1.22E is correct nomenclature since it references a general section "R-Section" rule; no change required.
SVC: correct.
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Kzinti: Monitors and Pallets: MPAL (SCS): SFB Ref # is "1.22 E" when most other races have it as "22E" - Eric S. Smith 1 Jan 2009
STRONG: Reference of 1.22E is correct nomenclature since it references a general section "R-Section" rule; no change required.
SVC: R1.22E is correct.
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Kzinti: Large Auxiliaries: LAP: Notes states "Large Auxiliary PFT (526.4)" instead of "Large Auxiliary PFT (526.4); scout (2EW)." like all the other LAP's. - Eric S. Smith 1 Jan 2009
STRONG: RECOMMENDATION: change notes to read "Large Auxiliary PFT (526.4); scout (2EW)."
SVC: I guess they forgot to pay their cable bill.
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Kzinti: Small Auxiliaries: SAP: Notes is "Small Auxiliary PFT (526.4)." instead of "Small Auxiliary PFT (526.4); Scout; 1EW." like other empires. - Eric S. Smith 1 Jan 2009
STRONG: RECOMMENDATION: change notes to read "Small Auxiliary PFT (526.4); scout (1EW)."
SVC: done.
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Kzinti: Mobile Support Units: Commercial Convoy: Base Hull is "—NA—" instead of "Group" like other Commercial Convoys - Eric S. Smith 1 Jan 2009
STRONG: RECOMMENDATION: change base hull to read "—NA—".
SVC: NA is correct, I think.
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Kzinti: Repair Docks: FRD+: Product is listed as "CO" instead of "AO" like all other FRD+'s. - Eric S. Smith 1 Jan 2009
STRONG: Product is AO.
SVC: done.
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Kzinti: Repair Docks: FRD+: Notes state "See (441.433) With fighter modules" but all other FRD+'s just state "See (421.0) With fighter modules" Eric S. Smith 1 Jan 2009
STRONG: RECOMMENDED note: "See (421.0) With fighter modules".
SVC: did something else really creative.
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Kzinti: Bases: Ftr-Depot: Build Cost "(443.3): 6" should read "(445.3): 6". Rule Number change for Fighter Depot from (443.0) to (445.0). Thomas Mathews 9 March 09
STRONG: CONCURS.
SVC: done,.
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Kzinti: Planetary Units: Shipyard: Under the "BASES" category, while most empires have it under the "PLANETARY UNITS" category - Eric S. Smith 1 Jan 2009
STRONG: Is okay listing under PLANETARY UNITS.
SVC: Nothing done, confused report.
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Kzinti: Planetary Units: Colony: Cost stated (446.13) 2+2+2 should read (446.13) 1+1+1 Cost changed in Captain's Log 37 Thomas Mathews 26 Aug 2009
STRONG: CONCURS with 1+1+1.
SVC: done.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 - 09:31 pm: Edit

Kzinti: Gunboat Flotillas: CPF: Cost (524.112) 3 The cost listed under (524.112) specifically states that a causual PF group costs 3 EPs. Thomas Mathews 12 Dec 2012

Kzinti: Gunboat Flotillas: CPX: Cost (524.112) 3 The cost listed under (524.112) specifically states that a causual PF group costs 3 EPs. Thomas Mathews 12 Dec 2012

By Eric Smith (Badsyntax) on Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - 01:18 pm: Edit

Kzinti APT: SFB Ref # should be R1.8 - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti ASC: Recommend removing note (526.46) from notes column, it is already in the substitution column - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti ASC: SFB Ref # should be R1.31 - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti BATS: SFB Ref # should be R1.2. Add "From OPB: 11+6+PFs" to conversion costs. Change build cost column to "Upgrade Only". Change notes column to "Battlestation. See EW Chart. See (433.41), (441.0), and (510.3). Module Limits: 2FTM or 1FTM + 1PFM." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti BS: Change build cost column to "Upgrade Only". Change notes to "Base Station. See (444.0). Alternative upgrade at undevastated planet without tug (444.22). Module Limits: 2FTM or 1FTM + 1PFM. See EW Chart" - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti BSX: SFB Ref # should be R1.202B. Change conversion cost to "From BS: 12, From MB: 8+6" to match other races. Change build cost column to "Upgrade Only". Change notes to "X-Base Station. See (444.0). See EW Chart. 50% of conversion cost is paid in XTPs. Module Limits: 2FTM or 1FTM + 1PFM." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti BTX: SFB Ref # should be R1.202. On counter front and rear, remove P from within the () used for fighters. Change conversion cost to "From BATS: 18, From MB: 27+6, From BS: 22, From BSX: 6+6XTP" to match other races. Change build cost column to "Upgrade Only". Change notes to "X-Battlestation; see EW Chart. 50% of conversion cost is paid in XTPs., Module Limits: 2FTM + 1PFM." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti Commercial Convoy: Change size to "Group" to match all other races. - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti CONVOY: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.5". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti FHL: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.62". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti FRD+: Change notes to "See (441.433) With fighter modules; (421.0) without." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti FTL: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.19". Change build cost to "(521.23): 6 (1/yr)". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti Ftr-Depot: Change references in build cost to "(443.3)" not ("445.3)". Change notes to "Fighter Depot. See (443.0)." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti Ftr-Module: Change designation to "FTM (Ftr-Module)" to make more sense. Change SFB Ref # to "R1.4". Change notes to "Fighter module for base or FRD (441.411)." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti FTS: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.19". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti LAP: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.27B". Change conversion cost to "From LAS: 3" to match ISC War. - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti LAV: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.13B". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti MB: SFB Ref # should be R1.24. Change notes column to "Mobile Base. See (510.2); EW=1, Module Limits: 2FTM or 1FTM+1PFM." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti MC: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.20". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti MPAL (PF): Change conversion cost to "None" to match other races and pallets. - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti OPB: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.45". Change notes to "Operational Base, moves as military convoy. (2 EW:5 AF), (1 EW:10 AF). Module Limits 2FTM or 1FTM + 1PFM ." for consistency. - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti PDU: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.14". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti PF Module: Change designation to "PFM (PF Module)" for consistency. Change SFB Ref # to "R1.16". Change build cost to "(441.412): 2+PFs" for consistency. Change notes to "PF module for base or FRD." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti PGB: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.14". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti PTR: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.67". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti PWR, module: Change designation to "PAM (Power Augmentation Module)" for consistency. Change SFB Ref # to "R1.17". Change notes to "Power augmentation module for base, (441.5). Treated as a PFM." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti REPR: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.25". Change notes to "Repair ship; See (422.0)". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti SAF: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.33". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti SAP: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.27A". Change notes to "Small Auxiliary PFT (526.4); Scout; EW=1." to match all other races. - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti SAV: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.13A". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti SB: SFB Ref # should be R1.1. Change build cost to "Upgrade Only". Change notes to "Starbase. See EW Chart. See (433.41), (441.0), and (510.3). Module Limits 4FTM+2PFM." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti SBX: SFB Ref # should be R1.201. Change conversion cost to "From SB: 24, From STX: 18+6, From BTX: 45+6, From STB: 44+6". Change build cost to "Upgrade Only". Change notes to "X-Starbase. See EW Chart. See (433.41), (441.0), and (510.3). 50% of conversion cost must be paid in XPs. Module Limits 4FTM+2PFM." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti Shipyard: Move to the "Planetary Units" section to match other races. This is a repeat, but EVERY other SIT has them under "Planetary Units", NOT "Bases". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti STB: Change conversion cost to "From BATS: 12, From BS: 15". Change notes to "Sector Base. See EW Chart. Module, Limits: 2FTM + 1PFM.". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Kzinti STX: Change conversion cost to "From STB: 10+10X, From BTX: 9+9X, From BSX: 12+12X, From BTS: 21+21X". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.


Also recommend renaming the sections to match other SITs:
Kzinti BB Battleship to just "Battleships"- Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.
Kzinti BC Battlecruiser to just "Battlecruisers"- Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.
Kzinti BCH Heavy Battlecruiser to just "Heavy Battlecruisers"- Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.
Kzinti CL Light Cruisers to just "Light Cruisers"- Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.
Kzinti CM Medium Cruisers to just "Medium Cruisers"- Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.
Kzinti Dn Dreadnought to just "Dreadnoughts"- Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.
Kzinti DW War Destroyers to just "War Destroyers"- Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.
Kzinti FF Frigates to just "Frigates"- Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.
Kzinti FFK Frigates to just "Heavy Frigates"- Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.
Kzinti Hdw Heavy War Destroyers to just "Heavy War Destroyers"- Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.
Kzinti NCA New Heavy Cruiser to just "New Heavy Cruisers"- Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 12:16 am: Edit

Kzinti CVD: Conversion cost from BC should perhaps be "2+15" because of the changed CVL fighter factors. Richard Eitzen 1/29/2013

By James Lowry (Rindis) on Wednesday, June 05, 2013 - 12:54 am: Edit

Kzinti FDX: This is a DB version of the FKX, and should therefore have a base hull of "FFK(4)" and be listed in the FFK Frigates section instead of "FF(4)" and listed in the FF Frigates section. Also, the FF->FDX conversion should be marked as a two-step conversion (I'm assuming that the conversion is legal, since the SF->FDX is also listed, and given as a two-step.) Finally, another conversion should be added: DF->FDX: 5[two-step]

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Wednesday, June 05, 2013 - 01:07 am: Edit

Are you sure? I always thought it was the X version of the SDF.

By James Lowry (Rindis) on Wednesday, June 05, 2013 - 01:43 am: Edit

Well, I don't have the SFB stuff to really check, but considering that that it can be converted from a FKX, I assume it's technically that hull to begin with.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Wednesday, June 05, 2013 - 02:56 am: Edit

Er, that's the sort of thing you SHOULD check with SFB before making suggested changes (in my opinion). Module X1 might actually say!

Otherwise it's just speculation really.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Wednesday, June 05, 2013 - 04:12 am: Edit

Well, looking at the non X SSDs, Kzinti standard FFs and SDFs have one apr, while the FFK has two.

The SSD for the xversions of the FFK has two APR, while the SDF has only one.

Without any actual comments stating that the SDF is a variant of the FFK (or the FDX is a variant of the FKX) it is my opinion that the FDX is in fact just an x-conversion of the SDF (or SF or FF) without needing to become an FFK hull in the process.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Sunday, September 01, 2013 - 07:28 pm: Edit

Kzinti: FF Frigates: FLG: Cost: For FF: 4 should be 3.5. Reasoning: A SF with 1 EW point is 1 more than the standard FF. The FFG with Ground troops costs the same as the standard FF. The FLG, while a combination of the FF, SF, and FFG, doesn't have the crippled side of those ships. Thus the replacement cost is too high. Thomas Mathews 1 Sep 2013

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Sunday, September 01, 2013 - 07:53 pm: Edit

Kzinti FLG: Recommend that the build cost be left as-is. The cost as given is commensurate with other police flagships. (Lyran, Hydran = 4, Klingon, Fed, Gorn, Rom, Tholian, ISC = 5) They're just economically inefficient ships to build (Well, except for the Romulans, who make out like bandits on the deal.). Also, consider that police flagships are minesweepers in SFB, something not represented in F&E; this presumably adds to the expense.
Jason E. Schaff - 09/01/13

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Monday, September 02, 2013 - 07:54 pm: Edit

Kzinti: Pods: T-POD: Cost: (521.172): 2 should read Cost: (521.712): 2 Incorrect reference given. Thomas Mathews 2 Sep 2013

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Sunday, January 12, 2014 - 10:40 am: Edit

Kzinti FFT: Date available should be Y122 (not Y140). Rationale: The SFB Master Ship Chart YIS is 122. - Jason E. Schaff 01/12/2014


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