07-Tholian SIT Updates

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Tholian SIT files  2   02/13 06:17pm

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, February 13, 2012 - 06:13 pm: Edit

Tholian Heavy Cruisers: CC: Add to conversions "From 2xPC‡: 5". 2xPC>CA>CC=4+2-1=5. This two-step conversion is listed in (437.1) but is not on the SIT. Jeff Coutu 19 January 09 ## STRONG: CONCURS. @@ SVC: sure.
Tholian Heavy Cruisers: CVA: 2xPC>CA>CVA=4+[3+24]-1=6+24‡ [currently SIT cost is 7+24]. The SIT does not list this as a two-step conversion but it is listed as one in (437.1). Two-step conversions should get a 1 EP discount (437.2). Jeff Coutu 19 January 09 ## STRONG: CONCURS. @@ SVC: yeah, ok.
Tholian Heavy Cruisers: CVH: Add to conversions "From 2xPC‡: 5+28". 2xPC>CA>CVH=4+[2+28]-1=5+28. This two-step conversion is listed in (437.1) but is not on the SIT. Jeff Coutu 19 January 09 ## STRONG: CONCURS. @@ SVC: Ok, but is there a reason for the inconsistent placement of ‡?
Tholian War Cruisers: CWE: Add to conversions "From 2xPC‡: 3". 2xPC>CW>CWE=3+1-1=3. This two-step conversion is listed in (437.1) but is not on the SIT. Jeff Coutu 19 January 09 ## STRONG: This should be listed as a two-step minor (add delta symbol) conversion but the cost must remain at 4 EP because one step costs only a point. @@ SVC: From 2xPC‡: 4 minor.
Tholian War Cruisers: CWS: Add to conversions "From 2xPC‡: 5 (minor)". 2xPC>CW>CWS=3+3-1=5 (minor). This two-step conversion is listed in (437.1) but is not on the SIT. Jeff Coutu 19 January 09 STRONG: CONCURS; add minor conversion delta symbol. @@ SVC: This one needs another look. PC+SC is 5, so I’m really doubting that 2PC is the same price.
Tholian War Cruisers: LTT: Add to conversions "From 2xPC‡: 5 (minor)". 2xPC>CW>LTT=3+3-1=5 (minor). This two-step conversion is listed in (437.1) but is not on the SIT. Jeff Coutu 19 January 09 ## STRONG: CONCURS; add minor conversion delta symbol. @@ SVC: ok.
Tholian War Cruisers: CSV: Add to conversions "From 2xPC‡: 7+16". 2xPC>CW>CSV=3+[5+16]-1=7+16. This two-step conversion is listed in (437.1) but is not on the SIT. Jeff Coutu 19 January 09 ## STRONG: CONCURS. @@ SVC: done,b ut also noted that this service date is wrong, being pegged to the heavy fighter date and not to the date that the CWV was available.
Tholian War Cruisers: PFW: Add to conversions "From 2xPC‡: 7". 2xPC>CW>PFW=3+5-1=7. This two-step conversion is listed in (437.1) but is not on the SIT. Jeff Coutu 19 January 09 ## STRONG: CONCURS. @@ SVC: done.
Tholian War Cruisers: CWV: Add to conversions "From 2xPC‡: 4+12 (minor)". 2xPC>CW>CWV=3+[2+12]-1=4+12 (minor). This two-step conversion is listed in (437.1) but is not on the SIT. Jeff Coutu 19 January 09 ## STRONG: CONCURS; add minor conversion delta symbol. @@ SVC: added.
Tholian Destroyers: DDS: Conversion cost from PC should have "(minor)" added since both sub-steps of the two-step conversion each cost 3 EPs or less (437.21). PC>DD>DDS=3+2-1=4 (minor). Jeff Coutu 19 January 09 ## STRONG: CONCURS; add minor conversion delta symbol. @@ SVC: added.
Tholian Destroyers: DDE: Add to conversions "From PC‡: 3". PC>DD>DDE=3+1-1=3. This two-step conversion is listed in (437.1) but is not on the SIT. Jeff Coutu 19 January 09 ## STRONG: This should be listed as a two-step minor (add delta symbol) conversion but the cost must remain at 4 EP because one step costs only a point. @@ SVC: done.
Tholian Destroyers: SCX: RECOMMENDATION: Add conversion From DDS: 5. Rationale: DD to DDX cost 4 EP; DDS EW2>SCX EW3 adds 1 EP. STRONG 6 Feb 2011 @@ SVC: on second look, ok.
Tholian Destroyers: SCX: PC>DDX>SCX=[6‡]+3-1=8 [currently SIT cost is 7]. Two-step conversions should get a 1 EP discount (437.2). This two-step conversion includes another two-step conversion (PC>DDX) so maybe it should not get another 1 EP discount and should cost 9? Jeff Coutu 19 January 09 ## STRONG: NON-CONCURS. This is in fact a "three-step" conversion PC>DD>DDX>SCX. RECOMMENDATION: REMOVE PC>SCX conversion. @@ SVC: No change made.
Tholian Destroyers: SCX: SC>SCX=7‡ [currently SIT cost is 6‡]. PC>DDX>SCX=[6‡]+3-1=8; reduced by 1 EP for starting as an SC (since PC>SC=1) =7. Note that the SIT currently lists the PC>DDX>SCX as costing 7; if that price is not changed then SC>SCX also should not be changed. Jeff Coutu 19 January 09 ## STRONG: NON-CONCUR. The proper two-step conversion path is: SC>DDS>SCX (The SCX is a variant of the DDX not the PC scout). RECOMMENDATION: Add >From SC: 6‡ (cost path: SC+3>DDS+4>SCX-1=6). @@ SVC: From SC=6 is already there.
Neo-Tholian DREADNOUGHTS NSCS: One NDN (TDFS Vortex) was converted to an SCS in Y186 per G2 and R7.65; also see R7.66. No F&E counter exists but one will be needed. Suggested compot 12-14WP(6)/6-7WP(3). Will substitute a # counter for use in ISC War. STRONG 4 May 2009 ## STRONG: Realizes this is adding a counter in a Phase-I SIT report but notes that this is a single add to a overall small Tholian report. @@ SVC: I added it but the counter will be in some far future product, probably androwar.
Tholian Mobile Support Units: APT: Under notes it says "Use Generics", but to be more clear it should say something like "No Tholian counter, use generic counters" - Eric S. Smith 1 Jan 2009 ## STRONG: NON-CONCUR; current note seems sufficient. @@ SVC: Oh, I added it.
Tholian Bases: Ftr-Depot See (443.0). Tholian Ftr-Depot See (445.0) Rule number change from (443.0) to (445.0). Also "(443.1): 6" should read "(445.1): 6". Thomas Mathews 6 Feb 12 ## STRONG: CONCURS. @@ SVC: done.
NOTE; Minor conversion triangle added to blue footer after PDF generated.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Monday, February 13, 2012 - 07:15 pm: Edit

Tholian DDV in new SIT (posted 02/13/12) shows a construction cost of 4+8. Base cost of DD is also 5, so possibly the DDV should have a cost of 5+8. The BW does have the one point cost over the base hull (of the PC), which is a very similar situation. R. Eitzen 02/13/12 San Jose California

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 - 09:32 pm: Edit

Tholian: Gunboat Flotillas: CPF: Cost (524.112) 3 The cost listed under (524.112) specifically states that a causual PF group costs 3 EPs. Thomas Mathews 12 Dec 2012

Tholian: Gunboat Flotillas: CPX: Cost (524.112) 3 The cost listed under (524.112) specifically states that a causual PF group costs 3 EPs. Thomas Mathews 12 Dec 2012

By Eric Smith (Badsyntax) on Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - 01:03 pm: Edit

Tholian APT: SFB Ref # should be R1.8 - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian ASC: Recommend removing note (526.46) from notes column, it is already in the substitution column - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian ASC: SFB Ref # should be R1.31 - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian BATS: SFB Ref # should be R1.2. Add "From OPB: 11+6+PFs" to conversion costs. Change build cost column to "Upgrade Only". Change notes column to "Battlestation. See EW Chart. See (433.41), (441.0), and (510.3). Module Limits: 2FTM or 1FTM + 1PFM." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian BS: Change build cost column to "Upgrade Only". Change notes to "Base Station. See (444.0). Alternative upgrade at undevastated planet without tug (444.22). Module Limits: 2FTM or 1FTM + 1PFM. See EW Chart" - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian BSX: Counter front should be 16 attack, not 15. Change build cost column to "Upgrade Only". Change notes to "X-Base Station. See (444.0). See EW Chart. 50% of conversion cost is paid in XTPs. Module Limits: 2FTM or 1FTM + 1PFM." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian BTX: On counter front and rear, remove P from within the () used for fighters. Change conversion cost to "From BATS: 18, From MB: 27+6, From BS: 22, From BSX: 6+6XTP" to match other races. Change build cost column to "Upgrade Only". Change notes to "X-Battlestation; see EW Chart. 50% of conversion cost is paid in XTPs., Module Limits: 2FTM + 1PFM." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian CONVOY: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.5". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian FHL: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.62". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian FTL: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.19". Change build cost to "(521.23): 6 (1/yr)". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian Ftr-Depot: Change references in build cost to "(443.3)" not ("445.3)". Change notes to "Fighter Depot. See (443.0)." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian Ftr-Module: Change designation to "FTM (Ftr-Module)" to make more sense. Change SFB Ref # to "R1.4". Change notes to "Fighter module for base or FRD (441.411)." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian FTS: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.19". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian LAH: Add ":" in the build cost. - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian LAP: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.27B". Change conversion cost to "From LAS: 3" to match ISC War. - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian LAV: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.13B". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian MB: SFB Ref # should be R1.24. Change notes column to "Mobile Base. See (510.2); EW=1, Module Limits: 2FTM or 1FTM+1PFM." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian MC: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.20". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian MON: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.22". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian MPAL (CV): Change SFB Ref # to "R1.22E". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian MPAL (PF): Change SFB Ref # to "R1.22E". Change conversion cost to "None" to match other races and pallets. - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian MPAL (SCS): Change SFB Ref # to "R1.22E". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian OPB: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.45". Change notes to "Operational Base, moves as military convoy. (2 EW:5 AF), (1 EW:10 AF). Module Limits 2FTM or 1FTM + 1PFM ." for consistency. - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian PDU: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.14". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian PF Module: Change designation to "PFM (PF Module)" for consistency. Change SFB Ref # to "R1.16". Change build cost to "(441.412): 2+PFs" for consistency. Change notes to "PF module for base or FRD." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian PGB: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.14". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian PTR: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.67". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian PWR, module: Change designation to "PAM (Power Augmentation Module)" for consistency. Change SFB Ref # to "R1.17". Change notes to "Power augmentation module for base, (441.5). Treated as a PFM." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian REPR: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.25". Change notes to "Repair ship; See (422.0)". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian SAF: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.33". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian SAP: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.27A". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian SAV: Change SFB Ref # to "R1.13A". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian SB: SFB Ref # should be R1.1. Change conversion cost to "From BATS: 30+6, From STB: 18+6". Change build cost to "Upgrade Only". Change notes to "Starbase. See EW Chart. See (433.41), (441.0), and (510.3). Module Limits 4FTM+2PFM." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian SBX: Change conversion cost to "From SB: 24, From STX: 18+6, From BTX: 45+6, From STB: 44+6". Change build cost to "Upgrade Only". Change notes to "X-Starbase. See EW Chart. See (433.41), (441.0), and (510.3). 50% of conversion cost must be paid in XPs. Module Limits 4FTM+2PFM." - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian STB: Change conversion cost to "From BATS: 12, From BS: 15". Shouldn't the CR be 9 as it'll get the +1 tholian bonus? I am pretty sure salvage should be 0! Change notes to "Sector Base. See EW Chart. Module, Limits: 2FTM + 1PFM.". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

Tholian STX: Change conversion cost to "From STB: 10+10X, From BTX: 9+9X, From BSX: 12+12X, From BTS: 21+21X". - Eric S. Smith 08 JAN 2013.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Sunday, February 23, 2014 - 11:41 am: Edit

DDV: Change YIS to Y176. G3 and Tholian Destroyer history article both list Y176 as date of construction. Ryan J Opel 23 Feb 2014

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 04:28 pm: Edit

CAW: Add From 2xPC 5 (two step conversion) Ryan J Opel 26 Feb 2014

CCW: Add From 2xPC: 6 (two step conversion) Ryan J Opel 26 Feb 2014

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 05:11 pm: Edit

PFT: Add From SC or DDS: 4 Ryan J Opel 26 Feb 2014

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Thursday, February 27, 2014 - 08:08 am: Edit

Tholian: PFT: From PC or DDS: 3 The Conversions of scouts to PFTs of the same base hull type are 3 EPs. Thomas Mathews 27 Feb 2014


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