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| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, June 08, 2021 - 04:03 pm: Edit |
SIT Lyran SIT: DD can be subbed for CW or DW. SCP+ should not list a "crippled side". SCX should be 4-8/2-4.
| By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Monday, June 14, 2021 - 07:40 am: Edit |
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| By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Monday, June 14, 2021 - 07:40 am: Edit |
Q: What pods can the Lyran NTG in Special Ops use? I haven't seen anything in SO to say whether it can use Lyran-style pods, or just K-pods (presumably in pairs).
A: The NTG along with the NSR can use the both the Klingon pods and Lyran pallets. This is from (R11.97) and (R11.75) respectively in Star Fleet Battles.
Lyrans: NCA New Heavy Cruiser: NTG: Notes: add: This ship may carry Lyran Pallets or K Pods. Thomas Mathews 14 Jun 2021
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, October 06, 2021 - 02:25 pm: Edit |
SIT Lyran KBP - It's cost of 2 is low, this pod is the same size as the Klingon BP and has only two substitutions, an APR in place of security and an ESG in place of a drone rack. Recommend the KBP cost to be 4. SWFrazier 210731
FEDS CONCURS.
| By fabio poli (Fabioz) on Monday, November 08, 2021 - 04:05 pm: Edit |
Conversion costs for DDV to CVL and other CW related carriers (if any, but i think so) should be indicated in SIT
| By John de Michele (Johndemichele) on Tuesday, September 26, 2023 - 01:56 pm: Edit |
HDW Conversion/Production costs:
The referenced rule number (525.2) doesn't actually specify the costs to produce or convert to each variant. Specified conversion and production costs should be included.
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Tuesday, January 30, 2024 - 10:18 pm: Edit |
Rule (440.8)
The Lyran HDD introduced in Fighter Operations for the Four Powers War seems to be missing a SIT note for its build (Substitution/Conversion) limit. These ships were introduced as limited historically. For the General War they would probably be further restricted so as to not be abused.
The Lyran HFF introduced in Fighter Operations for the Four Powers War seems to be missing a SIT note for its build (Substitution/Conversion) limit. These ships were introduced as limited historically. For the General War they would probably be further restricted so as to not be abused.
L. Bergen 30 JAN 2024
| By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Wednesday, January 31, 2024 - 04:30 pm: Edit |
Lar: (711.0) LYRAN STAR EMPIRE
See FO2016, pg62
Quote:
Records are unclear if the HFF and HDD ships remained in service in the General War. A Lyran player may, if he wants, substitute one or two HFFs for FFs and/or one or two HDDs for DDs, but further production isn’t allowed (or efficient) and the HFF and HDD cannot be converted into anything else. A few of these are listed in (608.0) but can be replaced with DDs and FFs.
The BCE and DNE ships were no longer in service but a Lyran player might substitute them for existing BCs and DNs (respectively) just for variety.
FEDS RULING:
Unless overruled by ADB, Lyran players may only produce no more than two HFFs and two HDD by any means beyond those already included on any given General War era scenario order of battle (Y168-Y185). BCEs and DNE production is limited by any other existing production limits. Lyran HFF/HDD/BCE/DNEs cannot be converted or unconverted including those coming out of depot repair. Specified scenario rules may also apply.
Ryan: Please update the OOB to include this restriction.
F&E Staff: Please include this on the next Lyran SIT update of the HDD and HFF: "May produce no more than two additional ships by any means during any GW scenario."
| By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Thursday, February 01, 2024 - 02:06 pm: Edit |
Wouldn't it just be cleaner to say these ships have to be substituted for CWs/DWs with no production limit instead of yet another set of units you have to keep track of how many you build? The fact they would take up a CW/DW unit that can be converted or further upgraded (NCA/HDW) is reason enough not to build more.
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Thursday, February 01, 2024 - 08:27 pm: Edit |
They can be converted and in fact that is historically how they came to be in the first place. So if we don't have a limit there is room for abuse.
Sure you might think the DD will always become a CW or CWS but think about this...the DD converts to an HDD for 1 EP. so for that same 3 EP conversion at one SB you can jump from 5 to 7 Compot on one ship or from 15 to 18 Compot on 3 ships. This ramps up your striking power more quickly
Also the HFF is a 1.5 conversion cost, not efficient...at least until until you consider the repair cost over the FF stayed the same but now resolves 5 points of damage instead of 4. A damage coefficient improvement worth the expense.
| By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Tuesday, February 06, 2024 - 01:15 pm: Edit |
I thought conversion cost for both was higher (2 EPs). That probably would have been a better solution and put them on par with F5 -> F5L conversions. So does this mean during the 4 Powers War there are no limits on these units? I hate keeping track of such minutia in a game as large as this (counting units produced, different limits for different scenarios).
| By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Wednesday, February 07, 2024 - 05:57 am: Edit |
Typically, I put all limited production in a special container that holds all limited units such as the Lyran's 10 Prime Teams, Police Ships, STL, 2xHDD, 2xHFF, etc. If they're not in the box, then they are in-play; if they're in the box then I can produce/activate them.
| By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Saturday, February 10, 2024 - 11:10 pm: Edit |
I'll limit the counter mix so I can't build more then is allowed but then certain things cause problems such as all the different Fed auxiliary carriers with different fighter types but under one limit overall and AxSCSs that replace LAVs/LAPs.
And the jumbo/heavy auxiliaries just add to the complication. I would prefer the game do away with limits on auxiliaries but have them count against the various production limits (i.e., you want to build a LAV? go ahead, but that's your CVA-build for the year). But this is getting off topic.
So HDD/HFF production during 4 Powers war is not limited as above?
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Friday, November 08, 2024 - 04:31 pm: Edit |
What are the EW ratings of the JAS and JAP?
| By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Friday, November 08, 2024 - 06:45 pm: Edit |
Same as the LAS {3 EW] and LAP [2 EW], I believe … (as well as the HAS/HAP) …
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Thursday, January 30, 2025 - 01:13 am: Edit |
Lyran DWS: Needs an added line item now that the FFS exists. Since the SIT says conversion from a DW is 2. Conversion from a FF is 4 (minor) and a two step. I would estimate the FFS to DWS be 3 and a two-step.
L. Bergen 1/29/25
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