F&E Large Scale Map update project

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By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 08:16 pm: Edit

I vaguely remember some errors in the Fed upper left, at least one planet does not match the gazetteer which includes the PD info.

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 12:25 pm: Edit

Symbols for Lyran home planet and Foremost SB/BATS are switched.


Garth L. Getgen

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 12:49 pm: Edit

Below is a table listing the names/numbers of all the bases on the F&E map with hex numbers.

Everyone say "thank you" to my wife. She typed the spreadsheet up while I read off the numbers. If there are any errors, it's my fault.

STARBASESHexBATSHex
LyranLyran
Enemy's Blood0411Blood Star0104
Far StarsOff MapBloody Claw0212
Foremost0608Foremost0707
Red Claw0404Golden Fang0504
Royal-Imperial0408Hidden Dagger0413
Pelt Hunter0502
Predator0705
Silver Moon0809
White Stripe0109
LDRLDR
Dark Star0711H-10612
H-20812
HydranHydran
Home0617H-10318
One1017K-10915
Two0215K-21116
Expeditionary0716K-31217
Old ColoniesOff MapK-41219
L-10114
L-20315
L-30510
L-40714
KzintiKzinti
HQ1401C-10701
Counts0902C-20703
Dukes1304C-30803
Marquis1704D-11004
BaronsOff MapD-21205
D-31405
D-41605
M-11805
M-21803
M-31902
KlingonKlingon
H-11411F-11807
H-21411F-21809
H-31411F-31811
Northern Reserve1509F-41813
Southern Reserve1716F-52014
Tholian Border Fleet2318F-62215
F-72416
F-82517
H-11013
H-21214
H-31415
H-41417
H-51419
K-11209
K-21618
K-31918
K-42218
L-10908
L-21009
L-31011
T-12519
Z-10906
Z-21107
Z-31307
Z-41507
Z-51707
TholianTholian
Home2919F-12918
East3019K-12719
West2819K-22818
R-13119
R-23018
FederationFederation
1 (Earth)2908F-12905
2 (Rigel)2908F-23203
3 (Andor)2908F-33206
42907F-43209
52808F-52609
6noneF-62606
72901F-72603
82915G-13601
9noneG-23703
103008G-33804
11Off MapG-43806
123611G-53808
132204G-63508
143604K-12308
152211K-22612
K-32615
K-42414
K-52213
K-62012
K-72010
K-82008
O-12911
R-13212
R-23810
R-33812
R-43613
R-53414
R-63215
T-12816
T-23016
Z-12006
Z-22004
Z-32103
Z-42201
GornGorn
G-I4402F-14006
G-II4403F-24004
G-III4503F-34002
SW4206F-43801
SE4806G-15201
TZ (Trusteeship Zone)Off MapG-25203
G-34904
G-44506
G-54203
I-15105
I-25006
R-15008
R-24808
R-34608
R-44408
R-54208
R-64008
RomulanRomulan
I4613F-13317
II4514F-23516
III4812F-33715
IV4411F-43914
V4015F-54012
VI3518F-64010
VII5318G-14110
G-24310
G-34510
G-44710
G-54910
I -15010
I -25012
I -35014
I -45215
I -55416
I -65617
I -75818
R-14611
R-24214
R-33817
R-44318
R-54718
R-64916
R-75819
T-13319
ISCISC
15910G-15208
25906G-25206
35508G-35405
45512G-45604
55914G-55803
65910G-66003
7Off MapI-15710
8Off MapI-25808
I-36008
I-46110
I-56011
I-65811
R-15211
R-25213
R-35414
R-45615
R-55816
R-66016



Garth L. Getgen

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 12:50 pm: Edit

Here's the same table but sorted by hex-number:

HexSTARBASESHexBATS
LyranLyran
0404Red Claw0104Blood Star
0408Royal-Imperial (HF)0109White Stripe
0411Enemy's Blood0212Bloody Claw
0608Foremost0413Hidden Dagger
Off MapFar Stars0502Pelt Hunter
0504Golden Fang
0705Predator
0707Foremost
0809Silver Moon
LDRLDR
0711Dark Star0612H-1
0812H-2
HydranHydran
0215Two0114L-1
0617Home0315L-2
0716Expeditionary0318H-1
1017One0510L-3
Off MapOld Colonies0714L-4
0915K-1
1116K-2
1217K-3
1219K-4
KzintiKzinti
0902Counts0701C-1
1304Dukes0703C-2
1401HQ0803C-3
1704Marquis1004D-1
Off MapBarons1205D-2
1405D-3
1605D-4
1803M-2
1805M-1
1902M-3
KlingonKlingon
1411H-10906Z-1
1411H-20908L-1
1411H-31009L-2
1509Northern Reserve1011L-3
1716Southern Reserve1013H-1
2318Tholian Border Fleet1107Z-2
1209K-1
1214H-2
1307Z-3
1415H-3
1417H-4
1419H-5
1507Z-4
1618K-2
1707Z-5
1807F-1
1809F-2
1811F-3
1813F-4
1918K-3
2014F-5
2215F-6
2218K-4
2416F-7
2517F-8
2519T-1
TholianTholian
2819West2719K-1
2919Home2818K-2
3019East2918F-1
3018R-2
3119R-1
FederationFederation
2204132004Z-2
2211152006Z-1
280852008K-8
290172010K-7
290742012K-6
29081 (Earth)2103Z-3
29082 (Rigel)2201Z-4
29083 (Andor)2213K-5
291582308K-1
3008102414K-4
3604142603F-7
3611122606F-6
Off Map112609F-5
none62612K-2
none92615K-3
2816T-1
2905F-1
2911O-1
3016T-2
3203F-2
3206F-3
3209F-4
3212R-1
3215R-6
3414R-5
3508G-6
3601G-1
3613R-4
3703G-2
3804G-3
3806G-4
3808G-5
3810R-2
3812R-3
GornGorn
4206SW3801F-4
4402G-I4002F-3
4403G-II4004F-2
4503G-III4006F-1
4806SE4008R-6
Off MapTZ (Trusteeship Zone)4203G-5
4208R-5
4408R-4
4506G-4
4608R-3
4808R-2
4904G-3
5006I-2
5008R-1
5105I-1
5201G-1
5203G-2
RomulanRomulan
3518VI3317F-1
4015V3319T-1
4411IV3516F-2
4514II3715F-3
4613I3817R-3
4812III3914F-4
5318VII4010F-6
4012F-5
4110G-1
4214R-2
4310G-2
4318R-4
4510G-3
4611R-1
4710G-4
4718R-5
4910G-5
4916R-6
5010I -1
5012I -2
5014I -3
5215I -4
5416I -5
5617I -6
5818I -7
5819R-7
ISCISC
550835206G-2
551245208G-1
590625211R-1
591015213R-2
591065405G-3
591455414R-3
Off Map75604G-4
Off Map85615R-4
5710I-1
5803G-5
5808I-2
5811I-6
5816R-5
6003G-6
6008I-3
6011I-5
6016R-6
6110I-4



Garth L. Getgen

By Andrew Bruno (Admeeral) on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 12:58 pm: Edit

Thank you Mrs. Getgen! :)

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 01:15 pm: Edit

Garth:

Your assertion that ymbols for Lyran home planet and Foremost SB/BATS are switched is based upon which data source?

Again, I refer to SFB Module C1 section (R11.1) along with its accompanying ducal emblems illustration:

The home world is hex 0408; its emblem is a moon and crescent.
The Foremost SB is hex 0608; its emblem is a equilateral triangle in a circle.
The Foremost BATS (in the Duke's own county) is hex 0707; its emblem too is a equilateral triangle in a circle.

What am I not seeing? How are they switched? What is your source data?

By Shawn Hantke (Shantke) on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 01:24 pm: Edit

Link to the Gazetteer topic: http://www.starfleetgames.com/discus/messages/12032/24289.html?1312231116
Link to Gazetteer files: http://www.starfleetgames.com/discus/messages/12032/27671.html?1312226642

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 01:27 pm: Edit

Chuck, my copy of SFB module C1, page 21, (dated 1991) shows Homeworld as the triangle and Foremost as the moon & crescent. Unless there is newer data that shows different, they appear to be switched. I noticed it when my wife and I built the tables above.


Garth L. Getgen

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 01:35 pm: Edit

The Lyran national emblem is the yellow circle with a thick black circle (yellow center) inside it and off center to the upper left.

Foremost is a green triangle.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 01:36 pm: Edit

WARNING: Do not use Garth's tables for anything but comparison to the gazetteer. Do not grab them and start using them for general use.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 01:54 pm: Edit

There is a more current C1 is dated 1991, 1994.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 02:02 pm: Edit

Garth:

FYI - You listed the LDR capital under the starbase column but the LDR capital only contains a BTS/BTX per module C3A.

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 03:08 pm: Edit

Thanks. I fixed the master file, but I can't edit the tables and see no reason to repost.


Garth L. Getgen

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Wednesday, January 25, 2012 - 12:23 pm: Edit

Minor error in the gazetteer:

Entry for IRIDIMA (hex 1912) reads as "Neutral planet in Fed-Klingon Neutral Zone. Site of the largest battle (SL265) in the Second Federation-Kzinti War."

I do believe that should say "in the Second Federation-Klingon War."


Garth L. Getgen

By Jean Sexton (Jsexton) on Wednesday, January 25, 2012 - 01:01 pm: Edit

Garth, the Gazetteer project is here: http://www.starfleetgames.com/discus/messages/12032/24289.html?1312231116

Jean
WebMom

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, January 25, 2012 - 01:58 pm: Edit

Gazetter error reports posted to this topic will never be processed. They have to go to the right topic to get processed.

By Patrick Sledge (Decius) on Wednesday, January 25, 2012 - 02:02 pm: Edit

From what I can find comparing to the Gazeteer, the issue in the fed top-left looks like this:

Currently on the LSM:

2403 - Ponderosa IV
2505 - Sheboygan III
2106 - Deiana

As established in the Gazeteer:

2403 - Sheboygan III
2505 - Paktar
2106 - Deiana (with Ponderosa IV being listed as an agricultural colony also in this hex)

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 12:44 pm: Edit

Not sure if this goes here.

Add a modular storage area for the HDW Mission Specific pods for each empire, space permitting. The Romulans can continue to use the area they already have designated.

I realize that most people do not switch modules unless a new type is built that provides better flexibility. However a place to place them when setting up a scenario like Driving Winds (625.0) would be very useful.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 05:13 pm: Edit

On the LSM? There really isn't room on the LSM for such a minor capability.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Sunday, June 02, 2013 - 12:28 pm: Edit

A note for future reference: in ISC War, (625.Y21) details the names and boundaries of the three "new" Gorn provinces created out of the "north-eastern" Neutral Zone hexes as of Y186. Meanwhile, (625.Y423) lists the base and planet disposition for the Confederation of the Gorn as of Y186, including a list of assets established in the "new" provinces at this time.

Also, (625.Z21) notes the boundaries of the "new" province created out of the NZ hexes hitherto dividing the Romulans from their off-map area. (625.Z423) lists the base and planet disposition of the Romulan Star Empire as of Y186, including assets placed in the "new" province at this time.

So far as I am aware, neither empire has yet been given a date of formal annexation for these provinces (or for Pavarak, the formerly-neutral planet in hex 5403) in print as of yet. My apologies in advance if this statement is in error.


On a broader note, might it be worth adding in some visual representation of the Pacification Enforcement Zones and Combatant Exclusion Zones from (625.22) onto a revised LSM?

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Sunday, June 02, 2013 - 07:47 pm: Edit

Unless directed by ADB I don't plan on adding any province names as they are not needed for game play. PEZ/CEZ notations would clutter the map.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Sunday, June 02, 2013 - 10:29 pm: Edit

Province names are not needed for anything.

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Sunday, August 25, 2013 - 02:14 pm: Edit

Over on the FedCmdr board, SVC wrote:


Quote:

Maybe somebody could copy down all of the base names and hex numbers from the LSM?



I did that already. See my posts dated 17 January 2012 above in this topic.


Garth L. Getgen


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