Archive through April 07, 2014

Star Fleet Universe Discussion Board: Federation & Empire: F&E PRODUCTS: F&E Staff Product Development Projects: Archive through April 07, 2014
By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 10:16 am: Edit

Can someone also research and cite ALL the SECTOR Base locations by empire and hex from Maelstrom scenario?

Thanks.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 10:44 am: Edit

(675.A2) 0413 Lyran STB
(675.B2) 0705 Lyran STB
(675.B3) 1107 Klingon STB
(675.D1) 2014 Klingon STB
(675.E2) 3516 Romulan STB
(675.F1) 4710 Romulan STB
(675.F1) 6413 (Vesuvius) STB (Starbase if not playing with SO)
(675.F2) 4506 Gorn STB

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 11:40 am: Edit

YearClassName
Y172PGFArk Royal
Y173PGCRoyal Majesty
Y174PGVWinged Victory
Y175PGVWinged Revenge
Y176PGVWinged Fury
Y177PGVWinged Havoc(Listed last PGV)
Y178PGGArduous Victory
Y179PGGArduous Campaign
Y180PFTDistant Thunder
Y181PFTDistant Vengance
Y182PFTDistant Lighting
Y183PFTDistant Justice
Y184PFTDistant Fury(Apparantly last Pegasus)

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 12:15 pm: Edit

Ryan:

Were any of the above destroyed and when?

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 01:45 pm: Edit

YearClassNameFate
OrginalPGSEnduranceConvert to PFT Y180
OrginalPGSPerseveranceDestroyed in retreat from Hydrax Y170
OrginalPGSReliableConverted to PGR Y174, Convert to PFT Y184, Y190 battle with Andros at Hydrax
OrginalPGSContinunityTo depot in Y171, returned as PGG in Y175, badly damaged taking back Hydrax, converted to PFT
Y172PGFArk Royal
Y173PGCRoyal MajestyDestroyed during first battle Y173
Y174PGVWinged VictoryDestroyed Y180
Y175PGVWinged RevengeDestroyed Y177
Y176PGVWinged FuryHeavily damaged Y179 (not used again except for pilot training, effectively destroyed)
Y177PGVWinged Havoc(Listed last PGV) Y181 CDR to PFT. Lost in Y181/2 by unknown means.
Y178PGGArduous VictoryDestoyed by Andros date unknown
Y179PGGArduous CampaignDestroyed Y181
Y180PFTDistant Thunder
Y181PFTDistant Vengance
Y182PFTDistant LightingDestroyed Y185
Y183PFTDistant JusticeDestoryed Y190
Y184PFTDistant Fury(Apparantly last Pegasus)

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Thursday, April 03, 2014 - 10:11 am: Edit

Empire FED w/F101 Fed w/ A-20 Fed w/ F-111
Fighter Intro Date Y165/Y167 Y165/Y167 Y165/Y167
Fighter Module Dates (SIT/MSC) Y165 (SIT) Y165 (SIT) Y165 (SIT)
SAV Dates (SIT/MSC) Y167 (SIT) Y167 (SIT) Y167 (SIT)
LAV Dates (SIT/MSC) Y165 (SIT) Y165 (SIT) Y165 (SIT)
1st True Carrier Ship CVL CVL CVL
Carrier Dates (SIT/MSC) Y166 (SIT) Y166 (SIT) Y166 (SIT)
Hvy Ftr Intro Dates (SIT/MSC) Y176 (G3) Y177 Y177
Hvy Ftr Module Dates (SIT/MSC) Y177 Y177 Y177
SAH Dates (SIT/MSC) No Data Y175 Y180
LAH Dates (SIT/MSC) No Data Y180 Y180
1st HF Carrier Ship No Data ACS/CAV/NVA CVH/NVH
HF Carrier Ship Dates (SIT/MSC) No Data Y177 Y177


Fighter Intro Dates are SIT then G3
Dates not marked with SIT or G3 are SIT.
No Data entries are for F-101 Carriers and skewed by lack of published carriers.

By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Thursday, April 03, 2014 - 05:56 pm: Edit

Ryan,

Module R12, Nexus 12 and MO3 - Module MO3 Starship Registry have additional Pegasus-Class ships.

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Thursday, April 03, 2014 - 08:22 pm: Edit

Nexus 12 and MO3 are so old that they probably should not be taken as canon truth. R12 does not, that I can see, name any Pegasi beyond those listed above. Although it lists the name of the PGF as Royal Ark instead of Ark Royal.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Friday, April 04, 2014 - 06:36 am: Edit

I could have reversed the Ark Royal/Royal Ark thing. I'll check tonight. I wouldn't use either Nexus 12 or MO3 at this point.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Friday, April 04, 2014 - 01:49 pm: Edit

Correct name is Royal Ark. I blame my recent look at UK Royal Navy ships. No additional names listed in the Starship Name Registry dated 7 May 07.

By Mike Curtis (Nashvillen) on Friday, April 04, 2014 - 02:31 pm: Edit

Yeah, we were looking at her, weren't we?

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Saturday, April 05, 2014 - 11:26 am: Edit

Empire Klingon Romulan
Fighter Intro Date Y167 (G3) Y165
Fighter Module Dates (SIT/MSC) Y165 Y165
SAV Dates (SIT/MSC) Y165 Y165
LAV Dates (SIT/MSC) Y165 Y165
1st True Carrier Ship D6Y/D6V/F5V WH
Carrier Dates (SIT/MSC) Y166 Y164
Hvy Ftr Intro Dates (SIT/MSC) Y176 (G3) Y179 (530.0)
Hvy Ftr Module Dates (SIT/MSC) Y178 (530.0) Y179 (530.0)
SAH Dates (SIT/MSC) Y178 Y175*
LAH Dates (SIT/MSC) Y165* Y179
1st HF Carrier Ship DWB/DWB** FHU*/SPU/SPV
HF Carrier Ship Dates (SIT/MSC) Y175/Y176** Y177*/Y179/Y178-G3


All dates not noted (G3) are SIT.
* YIS Date inconsistent with Hvy Fighter Introduction Date and noted in SIT Reports
** Klingon DWB is first listed Hvy Fighter Carrier, but also listed as Unbuilt Variant and in conflict with Hvy Fighter YIS dates both in G3 and (530.0).

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Saturday, April 05, 2014 - 04:04 pm: Edit

Empire Kzinti
Fighter Intro Date Y161 (G3)
Fighter Module Dates (SIT/MSC) Y161
SAV Dates (SIT/MSC) Y165
LAV Dates (SIT/MSC) Y165
1st True Carrier Ship DDV
Carrier Dates (SIT/MSC) Y163
Hvy Ftr Intro Dates (SIT/MSC) Y175 (G3)
Hvy Ftr Module Dates (SIT/MSC) Y175 (G3)
SAH Dates (SIT/MSC) Y176
LAH Dates (SIT/MSC) Y176
1st HF Carrier Ship ACS/CSV
HF Carrier Ship Dates (SIT/MSC) Y175


All dates not marked (G3) are SIT.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Saturday, April 05, 2014 - 04:07 pm: Edit

Deleted by author. Question answered in previous post.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Saturday, April 05, 2014 - 08:39 pm: Edit

Empire Gorn Tholian Hydran
Fighter Intro Date Y167 (G3) Y165 (G3) Y133 (G3)
Fighter Module Dates (SIT/MSC) Y165 Y165 Y133
SAV Dates (SIT/MSC) Y173 Y165 Y165
LAV Dates (SIT/MSC) Y165 Y165 Y165
1st True Carrier Ship CV BW UH
Carrier Dates (SIT/MSC) Y173 Y170 Y169
Hvy Ftr Intro Dates (SIT/MSC) Y179 Y178F Y177
Hvy Ftr Module Dates (SIT/MSC) Y179 Y178F Y177
SAH Dates (SIT/MSC) Y179 Y178F Y177
LAH Dates (SIT/MSC) Y179 Y178F Y177
1st HF Carrier Ship HSV CVH LE/SEN
HF Carrier Ship Dates (SIT/MSC) Y178 Y178F Y177/Y177


All dates not marked (G3) are SIT.
Tholian Dates marked Y178F are the Fall of Y178 under (530.0).

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Saturday, April 05, 2014 - 08:42 pm: Edit

GRV is a true carrier for the Hydrans and was around during the Four Powers War. I don't recall data on it, exactly.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Saturday, April 05, 2014 - 08:45 pm: Edit

The GRV is Y133, but is considered a National Guard ship. The GNV is Y150, but is a police ship.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Sunday, April 06, 2014 - 09:38 am: Edit

Empire Lyran LDR
Fighter Intro Date Y167 Y167
Fighter Module Dates (SIT/MSC) Y165 Y165
SAV Dates (SIT/MSC) Y168 Y168
LAV Dates (SIT/MSC) Y165 Y165
1st True Carrier Ship CVL MPV!
Carrier Dates (SIT/MSC) Y171 Y172
Hvy Ftr Intro Dates (SIT/MSC) Y178B (530.0) Y178B (530.0)
Hvy Ftr Module Dates (SIT/MSC) Y178B (530.0) Y178B (530.0)
SAH Dates (SIT/MSC) Y177 Y177
LAH Dates (SIT/MSC) Y178 Y178
1st HF Carrier Ship CSV No Data
HF Carrier Ship Dates (SIT/MSC) Y176 No Data


!LDR MPV 1st true carrier listed on SIT. CVL Y169 listed as RPU under G3. CVL possible only by conversion at Lyran SB or Minor Conversion Facility.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Sunday, April 06, 2014 - 11:36 am: Edit

Whether they are national guard or police (carrier) does not seem to be relevant to Chuck's request.

That being the case, the Hydran first carrier is Y133 (GRV), not Y169 (UH).

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Sunday, April 06, 2014 - 11:54 am: Edit

I agree with Richard. It might be a NG ship by Y169 but it wasn't when it entered service.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Sunday, April 06, 2014 - 03:17 pm: Edit

From what I can tell the GRV looks to be the earliest true carrier available from the Hydrans unless someone has some other data otherwise.

Once this chart is complete I want to address the mismatches/errors…

For example an empire cannot have fighter modules/LAVs/SAVs available BEFORE their fighter introduction date.

On the flip side it makes no sense to have a fighter intro date and have NO UNITS of any type available operate fighters unless there was some documented historical rationale or explicit ADB directive otherwise.

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar2) on Sunday, April 06, 2014 - 11:48 pm: Edit

The DDV is listed as the first Lyran carrier constructed (R12 - Y169), though listed as their initial training platform...

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Monday, April 07, 2014 - 12:00 am: Edit

I think the Lyrans have a CLV from a recent Captain's Log that predates Y171.

They definitely can have the JGP-V in Y168 in the current version of F&E (on the SIT).

I did not find any information as to whether and when the Lyrans made a JGP-V in the R section for that ship.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Monday, April 07, 2014 - 03:48 am: Edit

Here is the data so far. I have corrected or reformatted the data and added a question mark (?) where there is missing data (most looks like it is from the MSC/G3).

Empire FED w/F101 Fed w/ A-20 Fed w/ F-111 Klingon Romulan Kzinti Gorn Tholian Hydran Lyran LDR
1Fighter Intro Date (SIT/MSC) Y165/Y167 Y165/Y167 Y165/Y167 ?/Y167 Y165/? ?/Y161 ?/Y167 ?/Y165 ?/Y133 Y167/? Y167/?
2Fighter Module Dates (SIT/MSC) Y165/? Y165/? Y165/? Y165/? Y165/? Y161/? Y165/? Y165/? Y133/? Y165/? Y165/?
3SAV Dates (SIT/MSC) Y167/? Y167/? Y167/? Y165/? Y165/? Y165/? Y173/? Y165/? Y165/? Y168/? Y168/?
4LAV Dates (SIT/MSC) Y165/? Y165/? Y165/? Y165/? Y165/? Y165/? Y165/? Y165/? Y165/? Y165/? Y165/?
51st True Carrier Ship CVL CVL CVL D6V WH DDV CV BW GRV CVL MPV!
6Carrier Dates (SIT/MSC) Y166/? Y166/? Y166/? Y166/? Y164/? Y163/? Y173/? Y170/? Y133/? Y171/? Y172/?
7Hvy Ftr Intro Dates (SIT/MSC) ?/Y176 Y177/? Y177/? ?/Y176 Y179 (530.0)/? ?/Y175 Y179/? Y178F/? Y177/? Y178B (530.0)/? Y178B (530.0)/?
8Hvy Ftr Module Dates (SIT/MSC) Y177/? Y177/? Y177/? Y178 (530.0) Y179 (530.0)/? ?/Y175 Y179/? Y178F/? Y177/? Y178B (530.0)/? Y178B (530.0)/?
9SAH Dates (SIT/MSC) No Data Y175/? Y180/? Y178 Y175*/? Y176/? Y179/? Y178F/? Y177/? Y177/? Y177/?
10LAH Dates (SIT/MSC) No Data Y180/? Y180/? Y165* Y179/? Y176/? Y179/? Y178F/? Y177/? Y178/? Y178/?
111st HF Carrier Ship No Data ACS CVH DWB/DWB** FHU*/SPU/SPV ACS HSV CVH LE CSV No Data
12HF Carrier Ship Dates (SIT/MSC) No Data Y177/? Y177/? Y175/Y176** Y177*/Y179/Y178-G3 Y175/? Y178/? Y178F/? Y177/Y177 Y176/? No Data

* YIS Date inconsistent with Hvy Fighter Introduction Date and noted in SIT Reports
** Klingon DWB is first listed Hvy Fighter Carrier, but also listed as Unbuilt Variant and in conflict with Hvy Fighter YIS dates both in G3 and (530.0).
!LDR MPV 1st true carrier listed on SIT. CVL Y169 listed as RPU under G3. CVL possible only by conversion at Lyran SB or Minor Conversion Facility.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Monday, April 07, 2014 - 07:31 am: Edit

Fighter Modules are listed as Hanger Bay Modules in G3 and have a YIS of Y130 or so. Mainly used for shuttle storage or specialty shuttles and not very common. Should be listed in SIT as whatever the fighter intro date is.

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