We are in the process of updating the F&E Econ Form and will be asking for player and staff input in this topic.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Thursday, September 03, 2015 - 04:19 am: Edit

Below is a a list of the current items from the income side of the form. What income items are incorrect or missing that could be fixed/added? (Please identify the income row (I-Row) number of the item in question.)

I-Row	REF.	INCOME SOURCES
1	(430.11)	Original Major Planets
2	(508.21)	Captured/Devastated Major Planets
3	(540.21)	Captured Major Planet Diplomat Bonus
4	(430.11)	Original Minor Planets
5	(508.21)	Captured/Devastated Minor Planets
6	(540.21)	Captured Minor Planet Diplomat Bonus
7		***BLANK***
8		Planetary Income: Sub-Total
9	(523.12)	XTP Production from Planets (Calculated)
10	(430.11)	On-map Provinces
11	(430.2)	Captured/Disrupted Provinces
12	(430.5)	Off-map Provinces
13	(446.21)	Colony Income
14	(542.34)	On-Map Survey Income
15	(442.52)	Captured Neutral Zone Hexes
16	(448.21)	Annexed Neutral Zone Hexes
17	(523.12)	XTPs for each X-Starbase
18	(523.12)	XTPs for Undevastated Capital Planet
19		***BLANK***
20		Income Generated: Sub-Total
21	(652.21)	Economic Status Factor
22	(540.2)	Diplomatic Trade Income
23	(542.27)	High Risk Survey Income
24	(442.4)	Treasury Bonus (or Miscellaneous Income)
25		Income Generated: Adjusted Total
26	(523.12)	Convert up to 20% into XTPs
27	(523.12)	Convert 1 EP to 1 XTP: max 10 EP
28	(523.12)	Convert 2 EP to 1 XTP: max 20 EP
29		Prior Turn Credit Balance
30	(305.22)	Scrap Captured or Friendly Ships
31		Conversions & Added Credits: Sub-Total

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Thursday, September 03, 2015 - 04:31 am: Edit

Here is the production line items -- same drill as above. Please list the production rows when reporting.

P-Row	REF.	EXPENSE & REVENUE ITEMS
1	(430.62)	AVAILABLE
2	(420.2)	Unit Repair
3	(431.0)	Unit Construction
4	(431.37)	Build Surcharges: Accelerated / Overrides
5	(434.0)	Ship Activations / Police Ship Call-ups
6	(433.0)	Unit Conversions
7	(433.16)	Extra Major Conversion Surcharge
8	(410.51)	Support Homeless Ships
9	(411.74)	Support Expeditions
10	(451.31)	Hospital Ship - Devastation Recovery
11		***BLANK***
12	Debt Check	END OF PRODUCTION: BALANCE

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Thursday, September 03, 2015 - 04:46 am: Edit

Here is the In-Play Expenditures & Credits items - same drill as above...

X-Row			In-Play Expendatures & Credits
1	(534.13)		Espionage & Sabotage Raids
2	(433.43)		Modular Conversions During Movement
3	(446.13)	Start Hexes:	Start Colonies
4	(449.1)		WYN Trade EPs Sent
5	(309.33)	(537.6-U)	Drone Bombardment & Supplies Loaded
6	(521.81)	(521.838)	Extra GCEs / Independent GCEs
7	(425.33)		Rapid Combat Repair
8	(502.2)		Replacement PFs
9	(422.21)		Field Repair
10	(204.35)		Additional Strategic Moves
11	(435.0)		EP Transfers Sent to Allies
12			***BLANK***
13			End Phasing Turn Expenses: Sub-Total
14	(534.24)	(Credit)	Espionage & Sabotage Proceeds
15	(449.0)	(Credit)	WYN Ship Sales / Trade EPs Delivered
16	(443.51)	(Credit)	Commercial Convoy Proceeds
17	(435.0)	(Credit)	EP Transfers Received from Allies
18	(439.0)	(Credit)	Salvage
19	Debt Check		END PHASING TURN: BALANCE
20	(534.24)		Losses from Espionage & Sabotage
21	(309.3)	(537.6-U)	Drone Bombardment & Supplies Loaded
22	(521.81)	(521.838)	Extra GCEs / Independent GCEs
23	(425.33)		Rapid Combat Repair
24	(502.2)		Replacement PFs
25			***BLANK***
26			End Non-Phasing Turn Expenses: Sub-Total
27	(439.0)	(Credit)	Salvage
28	Debt Check		END NON-PHASING TURN: BALANCE
29			GROSS BALANCE (EP+XTP)

By Randy Blair (Randyblair) on Thursday, September 03, 2015 - 09:42 am: Edit

Not sure I have the latest incarnation of the spreadsheet to compare this to. Can you please send me one, Chuck?

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Thursday, September 03, 2015 - 11:27 am: Edit

New P-Row (446.13) Continuing colonial development. This cost is paid at the "start" of the turn, as opposed to during operational movement when the colony is initiated under 446.12. Ted Fay 9/4/15.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Thursday, September 03, 2015 - 11:40 am: Edit

New P-Row (308.97) Purchase of extra command point. Ted Fay 9/4/15.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Thursday, September 03, 2015 - 11:45 am: Edit

Possible new I Row, space permitting (704.1) Delivery of Ships (C8 to the Romulans, for example). The 13 EPs the Klingons receive on Turn #6 is received during the economic phase, as tug delivery is not required. However, for regular games, this is a one time event and may not be worth the space. Instead, consider adding an I row designated as "miscellaneous income" and reference rule 704.1 as an example for this category. Another example of miscellaneous income could be the Hydran Guild treasury (442.4) or the Tholian Dyson Sphere (511.21). Ted Fay 9/4/15.

Edited to add other examples of miscellaneous income.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Thursday, September 03, 2015 - 11:47 am: Edit

New P-Row (450.14) Construction of minor shipyards or conversion facilties. Ted Fay 9/4/15.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Thursday, September 03, 2015 - 11:49 am: Edit

New P-Row (450.21 & 511.32) Construction of medium or primary shipyard. Ted Fay 9/4/15.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Thursday, September 03, 2015 - 11:50 am: Edit

Randy:

Per your request...

http://www.starfleetgames.com/documents/FEOne-TurnEconFormv0-99.pdf

Note that the CEDS related items have been remove already.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Thursday, September 03, 2015 - 11:51 am: Edit

Consider consolidating P-Row 6 (Unit conversions) and P-Row 7 (Extra Major Conversion Surcharge) to save space if necessary. Ted Fay 9/4/15.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Thursday, September 03, 2015 - 11:54 am: Edit

I am planning to move production to the "back page" of the form so new line items can be added/separated as needed.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Thursday, September 03, 2015 - 11:54 am: Edit

Consider adding P-Row (522.5) for healing wounded prime teams. However, this expense could be consolidated under "repairs." Ted Fay 9/4/15.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Thursday, September 03, 2015 - 11:56 am: Edit

Consider adding P-Row (542.26) Survey Support Infrastructure. Ted Fay 9/4/15.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Thursday, September 03, 2015 - 12:03 pm: Edit

Consider adding a row for construction of non-ship units or adding rules references to P-Row 3 (Unit Construction) for other types of units that might be built other than ships, such as convoys (414.4, 443.0, 526.1, 526.2), FRDs (421.0), Mobile Bases (510.0), operational bases (453.11), PDUs (508.31), PGBs (441.1), FSDs (442.0), Engineer Regiments (541.0), Diplomats (540.0), SAFs (520.0), etc. Ted Fay 9/4/15.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Thursday, September 03, 2015 - 12:05 pm: Edit

Consider adding new P-row (443.41, 508.31, 443.42) for Base and PDU/PGB upgrades. Ted Fay 9/4/15.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Thursday, September 03, 2015 - 12:07 pm: Edit

Need new P-Row (447.3) Interest on National Debt and Interest Penalties. Ted Fay 9/4/15.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Thursday, September 03, 2015 - 12:13 pm: Edit

Need P-Row (447.2) Repay Principle of National Debt. Ted Fay 9/4/15.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Thursday, September 03, 2015 - 12:13 pm: Edit

Please consider adding a Non-Aligned Cordon Income (625.512), an ISC Cordon Income (625.512), a Commandeered Province Income (625.513), and two Commandeered Planets Income (625.514) entries (one major and one minor), for use by the Inter-Stellar Concordium and the various non-aligned empires during the Pacification Campaign. - Gary Carney 04 September 2015

The above assumes that only one form is being used per cordon, as listed in the Driving Winds (625.0) scenario. It might be overkill to have a single form attempt to cover the ins and outs of all eight cordons at once...

When combining cordons scenarios only one econ form is required. FEDS

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Thursday, September 03, 2015 - 12:24 pm: Edit

Possible New P-Row (522.1) Call up additional prime team. Ted Fay 9/4/15

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Thursday, September 03, 2015 - 12:38 pm: Edit

Suggest new category, i.e., new table for tracking certain economic-related issues. Call this a set of T-Rows. These include:

T-Row	Ref	Item Tracked
1	447.2	Current National Debt
2	447.2	Additional turns of economic exhaustion from high debt
3	542.26	Current Survey Infrastructure Slots
4	522.13	Number of Prime Teams in Service
5	436.21	Battleship Construction Status
7	514.1	Swarm Point Total
8	442.82	Spare parts for Romulan Kestrels
9	312.13	Stored Stasis Field Generators
10	443.43	Romulan Modules
11	449.11	Current WYN Trade Rights
12	449.13	Current WNCOVIA Account
13	413.45	Economic Point Stockpile
14	318.20	Kzinti pre-war drone stockpile

Ted Fay 9/4/15

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Thursday, September 03, 2015 - 12:47 pm: Edit

Many of these can be tracked in the "Running Tallies" table on the right of the form.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Thursday, September 03, 2015 - 12:55 pm: Edit

Space permitting, suggest a special place on the form to track income and expenses of a partial grid. This should be its own table, suggestion:

G-Row	Ref	Partial Grid Income/Expense
1	413.44	Accumulated EPs in Partial Grid
2	413.4	EPs Generated in Partial Grid
3		Current Partial Grid Treasury
4		***BLANK***
5	413.41	Supply units in partial grid
6	410.34	Build Ships at SB or MSY
7	410.34	Convert Ships at SB or MSY
8	413.451	EPs Transferred to/from Partial Grid
9	410.34	Orion Smuggling to/from Partial Grid
10	413.441	Transfer EPs to Main Grid
11		Partial Grid Expenses Subtotal
12		***BLANK***
13		Ending Partial Grid Treasury

Ted Fay 9/4/15

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Thursday, September 03, 2015 - 12:57 pm: Edit

That's it for now, plenty to chew on though.

I volunteer to help create and lay out the new form, both for paper use and perhaps an automatic Excel version that could be downloaded from ADB.

Let me know.